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A Man Going His Own Way offers a plan for gender equality. It involves killing hundreds of thousands of women

A woman at work. But shouldn't she be DEAD?
A woman at work. But shouldn’t she be DEAD?

This blog gets a lot of drive-by commenters, usually hostile, who drop one comment and then vanish, never to return. A lot of these comments are insults and one-liners, but a good number of these one-shot numbers, apparently seeking to maximize the impact of their one bit of input on this blog, deposit mini-manifestos setting forth their grand visions of what Men’s Rights stands for, why feminism is evil, or whatever it is that has them most riled up that day.

The most recent of these manifesto-droppers was a self-described Man Going His Own Way called Disgruntled, who set forth at some length his own rather punitive version of gender equality. It’s a rather revealing document, so I thought I would share it with you all.

Disgruntled started off by declaring that

I … demand increased equality among the 2 main genders and whatever additional gender-types have entered the fray

But his vision of equality is a rather blinkered one, to say the least. He singles out three areas in which men fare worse than women, and demands not that the suffering of men be alleviated — but that the suffering of women be ratcheted up to meet that of men’s.

He starts off with a reasonable enough request, one that is in fact supported by most feminists:

One demand I have is that females in the USA be required by law, as males are, to sign up for the military draft and to be subject to a draft if enacted.

Indeed, when Selective Service registration was reinstated in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to include women. And given that women can now officially serve in combat in the armed forces, it seems likely that women will be included in registration as a matter of course.

Not that this is really much of a live issue, since the draft itself is dead and isn’t going to be resurrected in the forseeable future.

But Disgruntled’s next demand shows what his real agenda is:

To achieve parity I want the vast majority of draftees to be females until a general equality is attained with the numbers of dead and maimed males from past wars. To ease the determination I would start with World War 1.

That’s right: Disgruntled is calling for a government-sponsored lady-killing operation, one which would mean the death of hundreds of thousands of women, because women weren’t dying in combat during a period when they weren’t allowed to serve in combat.

Indeed, during World War I, when Disgruntled begins his program, they weren’t  allowed to vote.

He’s not the only MRA to feel this way; A Voice for Men has advanced a similarly punitive, if less drastic, “solution” to gender inequality in the armed forces.

I should note that the period that Disgruntled is trying to make up for, the twentieth century and early twenty-first, was a century of mass carnage. The United States managed to escape the worst of that carnage; while we were involved in numerous wars and other military operations, no wars were fought on US soil.

This may have given Americans — and American MRAs in particular — a rather skewed vision of what war is. The vast majority of American casualties in twentieth (and twenty-first) century wars have been military personnel — that is, they’ve been overwhelmingly male.

But in fact, in most wars, civilians (male and female, adults and children) make up roughly half of all casualties, some dying as a direct result of military actions and some as the result of disease and famine. In World War II, last century’s bloodiest war, possibly as many as 2/3 of the total casualties were civilian. Men don’t have a monopoly on suffering in wartime.

After a brief mention of criminal sentencing disparities, Disgruntled moves on to another topic that is a favorite of MRAs:

Another life aspect is the woeful number of males maimed or dying performing the tasks that keep the USA operating on a daily basis. As a society we must do all we can to get females employed in those high-risk jobs that traditionally have high injury/death rates.

Again: the solution is for more women to die!

Interestingly enough, though MRAs talk about “getting” women into these professions all the time, the women who have tried to enter professions like coal mining have faced massive resistance, not from feminists trying to protect them from dangerous “male” jobs but from management — and the men in these jobs themselves. Women coal miners not only face the dangers of the job, but open hostility and sexual harassment from their male co-workers as well.

Now, a real men’s movement — one interested in actually helping men and not just in attacking women or gleefully imagining them getting their comeuppance by dying in war or in a mine collapse — would look at the reports of (mostly) men dying in accidents on the job and would, you know, ACTUALLY TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS.

It seems weird to have to point out that generally speaking real activists try to do something about the issues they care about, but in all my reading of the manosphere over the last few years I have not once seen any MRA actually attempt to examine why there are so many workplace deaths, much less ask what can be done about it.

Sure, MRAs complain about workplace deaths all the time, but simply as “proof” that men are the “disposible sex” and that women are a bunch of spoiled brats. Or, like Disgruntled, they use it as an excuse for elaborate fantasies of what Michael Kimmel calls “restorative, retaliatory” violence.

Do you want to know why there are so many workplace deaths?

Maybe it’s because companies that put workers at risk with serious violations of safety regulations get only a slap on the wrist from OSHA? The typical OSHA fine for a serious violation is $1700. Even if someone dies as a result of this violation, the maximum fine is only $7000.

Maybe it’s because so many employers put temporary workers in dangerous situations with inadequate training?

Maybe it’s because so many employers don’t give a shit about immigrant workers? As one recent report on preventable death in the workplace (from which I cribbed the above points)  notes:

While the overall U.S. fatality rates for workers have gradually decreased over time (though they are still too high), the fatality rate for immigrant workers has increased at an alarming rate.

When you start looking into the details, you discover that workplace deaths happen for some pretty predictable reasons: companies try to cut costs by cutting corners, and regulators (deeply intwined with the industries they regulate) look the other way. And so workers — particularly more vulnerable workers like immigrants, temp workers, and young workers — pay the price, sometimes literally with their lives.

It’s a labor issue. A class issue. A race issue. And insofar as it’s a gender issue, it’s not feminists or “cultural misandry” that is to blame, but rather a patriarchal narrative that suggests that macho men don’t need to worry about following the rules (even if those rules are designed to protect your life), that stoic men shouldn’t complain about rough conditions at work.

How do you organize to fight this? You don’t yell about the “death professions” on the internet. You don’t fantasize about how great it would be if more women died in coal mines. You actually research the issue rather than reciting MRA slogans. You contact the people who are already working on the issue — mostly labor activists — and ask how to help.

And that’s the problem here. MRAs don’t want to help. They want to rage against women.

And so comfortable middle-class MRAs, whose jobs are as about as dangerous as the lives of my (indoor) cats, appropriate the real suffering of vulnerable poor and working-class men as an excuse to yell at women online and fantasize about their deaths — all while doing precisely zilch to help the men they claim to care so much about.

Hell of a civil rights movement you’ve got there.

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Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Men are over? News to me…

kittehserf
6 years ago

The End of Men, a well known work on men’s buttocks …

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

My husband would happily buy that book, Kittehs.

Also, I as a man feel really infantilized and coddled by all this bullshit about how we men just need to have our asshole behavior “understood.” Guys, I’m a grown adult. Stop treating me like I’m a baby who shouldn’t be held accountable for my own actions. WTF.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

…from one apparently well versed in the art of kissing those same.

Srsly, though, I’m stunned that anyone thinks men are in a bad way. I see so many perfectly healthy unscathed ones walking the streets…am I hallucinating?

kittehserf
6 years ago

My husband would happily buy that book, Kittehs.

::snrk:: I can just see Mac with that book!

eli
eli
6 years ago

Most feminists I read are not fans of Hanna Rosin. She seems to have taken over Caitlyn Flanagan’s role as contrary, pseudo-feminist, kerfuffle-bait at The Atlantic.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Bina

Easy. If men aren’t oppressed, then WHY IS MY BONER SAD? Riddle me THAT, Manboobz!

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Maybe the boner is depressed, not oppressed. Fortunately, there are meds for that.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Depressed boner had me thinking “Put the candle back!” /Young Frankenstein moment

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Or they could try muffing. But that would probably hurt their delicate masculinity.

manhatinglesbianbitchslut
manhatinglesbianbitchslut
6 years ago

“To achieve parity I want the vast majority of draftees to be females until a general equality is attained with the numbers of dead and maimed males from past wars. To ease the determination I would start with World War 1.”
Uuuuuuummmmmmm if we’re going for parity between genders then you better buckle up for one hell of a ride. Your right to vote would be the first to go, but trust me when I say it won’t be the last. If we’re going to be thorough here, I think it’s only fair if women could now purchase men as property and sell them, like women were for centuries. You are also not allowed to go to school Also we’d have to shut down all strip clubs filled with scantily clad women and fill them with half naked men instead. Oh, and you can’t own property anymore, either. In quite a few countries you can’t drive anymore. Women might even throw acid at you if you don’t stay in the kitchen and stay quiet.
And while we’re on the subject, we might as well touch race parity. If you’re a white man (which, if you agree with this logic, you have a 98.6% chance of being one), you no longer have any human rights, really. If we completely ignore the fact that slavery in America happened and that if we are going to treat you as a slave we should lynch you right now, then even in today’s times you’ll have a much greater chance at being stopped and searched by police officers, thrown in jail, being denied job offers, not getting accepted into college (which, sorry, you’re a man, so you never really had a chance anyway).
Wow, does parity still sound like a great idea? Because I’m not a white man and I’m cringing at the thought of it. It’s almost like white men haven’t been dealt the worst set of cards here.
Oh, well, if you insist. It was your idea, after all. With your garbage attitude, you’d probably be only worth a goat or two, anyway, so you better hope it isn’t some abusive, man-hating, lesbian dyke who purchases you and makes you do whatever she wants.
But this is all fair, right?????

Wow sorry for that rant. Seriously, thanks David. You are awesome. Please never stop showing these misogynist douchebags how ridiculous they are.

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