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Open Thread for Personal Stuff: January 2014 Pretty Cats Make Hats Edition

Pretty Cats Make Hats
Pretty Cats Make Hats

As requested, an open thread. I’ll try to get these up more often in the future. This one will be overseen by Morrissey with a cat on his head.

No trolls, no arguments.

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AIT
AIT
10 years ago

@ katz:

I should clarify I only have experience in the US military, and I cannot remember where you are posting from, so I apologize for making that assumption.

Robert Ramirez
Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

@AIT I am going the strictly spoken route, we are immersing ourselves in the language by playing out real life situations. It is a cool class.

I would love some of those resources!

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

@ Argenti Aetheri

Probably so. Living around it day to day, I tend to think in informal instead of formal/ceremonial context.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
10 years ago

I’ve been bored with my video games, so I started Skyrim again. Playing as a Bosmer sneaky archer-type. I finally got around to buying the DLC for it, so I guess I’ll be building myself a house, or whatever you do with Hearthfire.

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

@ Robert Ramirez:

Awesome! Those are great, when the whole class is talking in target language. I have to run to work for a fewhours, but meantime, have you ever heard of Pleco or MDBG? Pleco is an awesome free dictionary app for smartphones and tablets, and MDBG is a desktop program with all kinds of great features. I will talk more on this later tonight. Jia you!

Robert Ramirez
Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

@AIT

Shie-shie

Ally S
10 years ago

@Bonelady

Hey. I wonder if anyone can help me? I teach a college level course in human diversity. One of the topics we talk about is sexual diversity. I’m an archaeologist, although I was trained as an anthropologist as well, but that was over 35 years ago. I could really use some suggestions for basic readings on LGBTQ folks, particularly the BTQ end of the spectrum, for both me (can be long and scholarly) and for my students (basically mostly white, middleclass, with many first generation college attendees). I would greatly appreciate any suggestions.

Some books I recommend:

Sexing the Body by Anne Fausto-Sterling (PDF book is accessible here)
Evolution’s Rainbow by Joan Roughgarden*
Whipping Girl by Julia Serano*
Cross Dressing, Sex, and Gender by Vern L. Bullough and Bonnie Bullough

*I have these as PDF books on my laptop if you want them. You can email me at aaliyahsyed94[at]gmail[dot]com and I’ll send them to you via an email attachment.

Anne Fausto-Sterling’s work on gender and sex is very insightful in that it attempts to deconstruct the male-female sex binary.

I haven’t read Evolution’s Rainbow yet, but I’ve heard a lot of good things about it since it approaches issues pertaining to sex and gender from an evolutionary biology perspective. I don’t know if it would be relevant for you since you’re an anthropologist (although I may be mistaken), but it’s worth checking out regardless.

Whipping Girl is a very flawed book for several reasons (if you’re curious about why I’m critical of the book, I’ll be happy to discuss it with you), but Serano’s critique of queer theory conceptions of sex and gender is interesting and reflects a common disagreement among trans/queer activists. I personally value this book because it helped me realize I was trans, but aside from personal preferences, one reason I value it is that its criticism of anti-trans psychological research and the cis-centric psychiatric community is insightful and very well-argued.

The last book on the list approaches the topic stated in the title from a primarly sociological perspective. The authors explore the various gender dynamics that shaped discourse surrounding gender, gender roles, gender expression, sex as a medical construct, and gender non-conformity in general. It’s a fantastic book for anyone interested in studying those topics, even though it’s kind of old.

Ally S
10 years ago

Another awesome thing about Cross Dressing, Sex, and Gender is that it includes a cross-cultural historical analysis of sex and gender, thereby providing an analysis that is broader in scope and more rigorous than many analyses like it.

cloudiah
10 years ago
Reply to  Ally S

Ally, I’m interested in your take on Whipping Girl. Reading it now.

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

@ Robert Ramirez:

Bu yong! Also, slight pet peeve on the Pinyin there, there is a difference between X and Sh, so that one is spelled Xie Xie. That’ll help when looking things up in the dictionary.

Ally S
10 years ago

@cloudiah

Basically, Serano reduces transmisogyny to femmephobia (hatred for the femme), which is inaccurate in my view. Femmephobia is certainly an essential component of transmisogyny, but it’s not the only component.

If transmisogyny were only a result of femmephobia, then one would expect cross-dressing men and AMAB trans women to be treated in very similar ways. But despite the conflation of cross-dressing and transness, we are treated worse than cross-dressing men. In fact, the insults directed at cross-dressing men are almost always transmisogynistic in nature – such as the slurs “tr*nny” and “shemale.”

I also disagree with Serano’s bio-centric perspective. She is a biologist, and so I understand why she would take a position that centers biology, but her arguments for the biological cause of transness aren’t too persuasive (even though I sympathize with them because, like her, I feel that bio-centric narratives of transness are comforting in some ways). And although certainly some social constructionists have used their philosophy to marginalize and talk over trans people, it’s still possible to conceive of both sex and gender as social constructs in a way that isn’t cissexist.

There are other criticisms I have, but my mind is kind of rusty right now because I haven’t read the book in ages. Ultimately, I suggest is that you don’t take Whipping Girl as the most authoritative book on trans/queer activism. I used to think that everything I needed to know about trans/queer activism in that book, but having read many other things on the subject (particularly post-structuralist critiques of sex and gender – I’m not talking about Judith Butler here), I now think otherwise.

katz
10 years ago

At risk of missing a joke, in my experience, the officer would probably pick some distinguishing feature to differentiate them, or otherwise just include their first name if clarification is needed. Why do you ask?

For a story, naturally. These ladies are paternal cousins. (No, they’re not American, but I’m pretty sure that nobody here was ever in the Red Army.)

Ally S
10 years ago

By the way, AMAB stands for “assigned male at birth.” I should have mentioned that.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Ally, thanks. I just started it, and frankly I’m reading it in kind of a distracted way, during down time in my mom’s hospital room. If you wanted to send me the other PDFs, I’m interested…

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

AIT — oh that’s fit, you’re military too huh? Sorry, I’m used to pecunium being the (retired) service member around here. You can just call me Argenti btw, and I use gender neutral pronouns (ze, zir), you?

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Fit = right

Autocorrect hates me a lot

Ally S
10 years ago

@cloudiah

Sent! I added a little bonus PDF book as well.

Ally S
10 years ago

Also, I’m happy to share PDF books with anyone else if they’re interested. I have subjects ranging from programming to feminist theory.

cupisnique
10 years ago

@BreakfastMan
“Anyone else here a hardcore gamer, movie nerd, or metal-head”

I’m not sure I would classify myself as a hardcore gamer, it’s well.. too hardcore for me. I do love RPGs though and any game with a great story line. What games do you play?

I’m also more of TV-aficionado than a movie buff and prefer rock and/or blues over metal.

Ally S
10 years ago

Anyway, to talk about happier things… Anyone else here a hardcore gamer, movie nerd, or metal-head?

I don’t play games much anymore, but I’ve done some hardcore gaming before.

And I’m definitely a metal-head! Favorite metal bands: Black Sabbath (my all-time favorite metal band), Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Anthrax, (old) Metallica, Dream Theater, Queensryche, Bolt Thrower, Entombed, and Electric Wizard. ^_^

kittehserf
10 years ago

Is any of those pdfs a good introductory one for the general reader, Ally? I’d love to get some info but without plunging into social science language that’s going to leave me going Wut?

kittehserf
10 years ago

deniseeliza – I wish I had something helpful to say! I’d be scratching my head over how to respond, too.

I believe that we are more “Free Won’t” than “Free Will”

Or there’s always Free Meh.

Ally S
10 years ago

@kitteh

Whipping Girl and Sexing the Body are accessible to most readers. They’re well written and not loaded with undefined jargon. I’ll happily send them to you if you want plus a bonus PDF – one that I used to find great difficulty in trying to access. 🙂

kittehserf
10 years ago

Thank you, Ally, that would be great!

I think we can email via the Borg – I’m a mod (of a very inactive sort, heh) there so our emails should be available … I think? Don’t really know how it works.

Ally S
10 years ago

I’m trying to find your email on FemBorg but I’ve had no luck so far. X_X I’m not sure why. It would probably easier if you emailed me so I can use your address.