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“Feminism’s essence is that of a greedy quest,” Men’s Rights essayist explains.

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Many of you may have been worried, but I’m happy to report to you today that the future of the Men’s Rights movement is in good hands! My evidence? The following essay on the evil that is feminism, posted recently to the Men’s Rights subreddit by a 5-year-old boy.

At least I’m assuming it was posted by a 5-year-old boy. If it was posted by a teenager, or — heaven forbid! — an adult, well, all bets are off.


The essay was inspired by the age-old question: What is the nature of evil?

To that, the fellow who calls himself newmressay answers: Feminism. Let’s let him explain:

The New Webster’s Dictionary defines evil as “what is morally wrong, what hinders the realization of the good,” and “what is materially, esp. socially, very harmful,” (328-329 New Webster’s Dictionary and Thesaurus of the English Language). It also defines feminism as “the policy, practice, or advocacy of political, economical, and social equality for women,” (346 New Webster’s Dictionary and Thesaurus of the English Language).

Aw, yeah! He’s kickin it off Webster-style!

Now, for a massive leap in logic: Feminism is a modern evil.

Well, a leap, anyway. We’ll see about the logic.

Why? After all, in the past century it has achieved most of its goals in the developed world and is permeating into the third world; numerous pieces of legislation, specifically in the United States, have given women the right to vote, own land, and prevent discrimination and harassment in education and the workplace.

You can OWN LAND, ladies. All lady problems have been solved forever! Time to close up shop!

But wait! The feminists have the audacity to continue to exist?

Feminism is good to a fault. Much like a line, it keeps going.

Much like a line? A line!? That just doesn’t have much zing to it.

Much like the Energizer bunny, feminism keeps going and going …

Much like a shark, it must continually swim forward gnashing its giant teeth or it will die!

Much like sandpeople, feminism travels in single file to hide its numbers.

Like a banana, it splits?

I’m just spitballing here. I’m sure you can think of a million more.

It is no longer about equality, but equity.

Uh, equity means “fairness.” That’s a bad thing? Or do you mean “equity” as in “ownership?” I guess newmressay probably means that, but we’ll never know because he never says.

Western contemporary Feminism has become synonymous with the nature of evil: materialistic pursuits with adverse societal consequences.

Oh, so you quoted Webster’s but didn’t actually understand its definition. When it said “materially” it didn’t mean “materialistically.” Also, huh? What does feminism have to do with materialism?

Feminism has Orwellian tendencies to maintain and “enforce” its beliefs and goals in the name of following ideological tenets, rather than empirical data they see before them, Feminists censor and distort data found in their studies.

Newmressay then cites a self-serving paper by Murray Straus, who claims that feminists have unfairly dismissed his domestic violence research and threatened fellow researchers who’ve failed to toe the feminist line. In fact, there are many valid reasons to be wary of Straus’ work, as I point out here.

The alleged threats are more worrisome, but newmressay cites the example of only a single researcher; if you check his original sources you will find that the harassment took place decades ago and that the perpetrators were never identified.

Newmressay drags out his copy of 1984 to give us some quotes about our boy Winston being forced to change facts and figures to fit the party line. Which would be very damning if there were evidence that feminists actually did this, but there isn’t.

Then with the help of more antifeminist “scholars” he misrepresents the notion of “patriarchy” and gets mad at feminists for that. He follows this by summarizing (badly) two feminist-bashing columns from neocon faux-feminist Christina Hoff Sommers before moving on to his grand conclusion:

Feminism’s essence is that of a greedy quest, resulting in harm to society: evil.

Greedy quest? Greedy Quest sounds like a third-rate Bejeweled knockoff.

It pushes and pushes to further its agenda of equity, not equality.

You know, you really might want to rethink this whole “equity” thing, given that most people are going to assume you mean “fairness,” and given that your gal Christina Hoff Sommers actually calls herself an “equity feminist” and means that as a good thing.

In its pushing, it has damaged society by stereotyping men and belittling the issues of others in the developing world. Although in the past it has served for the benefit of all in society, it now is pushing an agenda that threatens everyone. This evil, that which damages society, will persist until more realize what it is doing.

Dude, I don’t even understand what you’re doing.

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sparky
sparky
7 years ago

One there was an evil wizard called newmressay. He lived in a fortress made of women’s shoes that he’d stolen from little old ladies who were out walking their dogs. One day, newmressay saw a woman on TV talking about women’s tennis and got very angry, because he was worried she might be better at tennis than he was. Oh no, said newmressay! She has stolen my…

Oh no, said newmressay! “She has stolen my boner! For do not the sages say, with their vocal cords, that women’s sports suck! And besides, any woman who plays sports is obviously mannish and unfeminine, and this unnatractive! MISANDRY!”
So the evil wizard newmressay put on his magical fedora and climbed to the highest spire of his fortress made of women’s shoes. There, he raised his magic wand (which was a very manly magic wand, made of ebony, not one of those silly girly ones with the streamers and glitter) and summoned….

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Summoned the Great Cat, which swatted him with its paw, looked annoyed, and wandered off. He remembered that cats, dogs, and even goldfish didn’t like him, he never could figure out why, so instead he summoned…

baroncognito
7 years ago

“My ass defines evil as ‘hard chairs’ and ‘sitting on legos’ it also defines feminism as women having equal opportunity to own my ass as men do?”

Shoot, that started off well, but I really have no idea what my ass would define as feminism.

kittehserf
7 years ago

… so instead he summoned all the other evil wizards he knew, to a GrandMenzWizard meeting.

But none of them came. This upset newmressay very much, so he …

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

I have no idea why that turned into link.

kittehserf
7 years ago

It’s the link monster! :O

Robert Ramirez
7 years ago

That is no essay, I know an essay when I see one. What that guy wrote is called a screed.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

There she reported everything newmressay had said, and what she saw while summoned (including his fortress made of stolen shoes). Then she demanded…

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Fibi — did you really get a goldfish? Cuz FISH LECTURE! They get big, and old, like decades old and the size of a tennis ball (or bigger) and are shit machines. When it’s tiny a small filter will do, but you definitely want a 10g (or bigger) and actual filter. When it grows up you’re talking a tank the size of my big one and a hefty filter (I recommend fluval, but I’ve known people who hate them because they don’t auto-start the siphon effect [though, there’ say newer line than mine, new one’s might])

And they don’t much like warm water, so assuming the room temp stays on the 70s, you don’t need a heater. Which makes tank mates complex.

That is all. Sorry for the lecture, but you know how I get about fish 🙂 (oh, I was right, doofus, aka puff, was begging for snails while obviously still full of *drum roll* snails)

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

The Abyss of D’Ohhhh isn’t coming up for me. Damn the horrid combination of old pute, old Firefox, and the ever-creative fuckery that is WordPress…

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

In its pushing, it has damaged society by stereotyping men and belittling the issues of others in the developing world. Although in the past it has served for the benefit of all in society, it now is pushing an agenda that threatens everyone. This evil, that which damages society, will persist until more realize what it is doing.

Funny, the same could be said, quite truthfully, about MRAs. And with ample proof right here.

Ally S
7 years ago

Well I noticed, but I was going to talk about my pet goldfish instead, Ally.

Good one. =P I always like my sandwiches toasted.

kittehserf
7 years ago

The abyss of D’ohhh doesn’t come up for me, either. ‘cos it only plays in the US. Poop!

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

The abyss of D’ohhh doesn’t come up for me, either. ‘cos it only plays in the US. Poop!

Dagnabbit.

Well, it was a clip from The Simpsons episode called “Bart the Daredevil” where Homer jumps the Springfield Gorge on a skateboard. Well, he tries to.

I don’t know if any of these would work, most of them seem to be from Hulu:


https://www.google.com/search?q=homer+jumps+the+gorge&tbm=vid&ei=GAjWUorgGLKlsQS_nIHwCQ&start=0&sa=N&biw=480&bih=269&dpr=2

Sorry about that.

JoJo
JoJo
7 years ago

Greedy quests can be cool. Anyone remember the Ducktales cartoon? That was off the hook.

Lauri Owen
7 years ago

I actually think this is a very positive piece, in its way. It shows that the ideas of women as property are fading, even in the fringe. They’re not equal, but they’re human, which is far more than the far right in other religious and conservative groups across the globe believe, and it’s far better than women were regarded among Western Europeans in the past. I honestly believe this guy would probably agree that beating your spouse of either sex is wrong. Now I’m not defending this guy at all, but he is not the Taliban. So I guess what I mean – if it makes any sense at all – is that there is a tiny, tiny bit of forward movement even in the dregs of our society, and I see that is a good thing, in the big scheme. It means that what is heresy today will be accepted “tradition” in 50 years, to a large degree, even among the edges of society.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

What quest isn’t greedy?

“Your Highness, we found the Holy Grail, but….well, there was only one, and we didn’t want to be grabby. So we left it for others to enjoy too.”

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Hulu hates me too. Sometimes being Canadian sucks, eh?

Seranvali
Seranvali
7 years ago

Ally S:

That critique would have helped a great deal if the lecturer allowed him that initial derail. I doubt very much that they will. The question seemed to me to be asking the student to read up on the views of a number of different philosophers, weigh them up and come to his own conclusion. A pretty common undergraduate (possibly first year) question. I also don’t think that he was…er…looking at the writers he’d been studying in class. If that’s true it’s a major mistake.

I think you were very kind and helpful to him. You didn’t criticize the actual ideas (problematic as some of them were) but gave him a lesson in basic essay-writing which would have been helpful to almost any first year student. Most lecturers, I found, were happy if you disagreed with them as long as you a. understood how to use the essay format, b. had an alternative point of view that hung together and c. were entertaining. I remember one of my lecturers saying that a well placed, relevant, clever joke could really set a student apart because in order to make that kind of joke they had to have come to grips with the reading and the question. I really don’t think this kid had a clue.

kiki
kiki
7 years ago

In conclusion, America is a land of contrasts.

…which the Indians call ‘maize’.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

/).< twice. That joke is terrible, and I think you mean Native Americans.

Seranvali — oh is that why my analogies never got negative feedback? I guess I'm used to using them to explain things to people who may or may not get the concept, not simply explain that I get it…

tinyorc
7 years ago

Seranvali:

That critique would have helped a great deal if the lecturer allowed him that initial derail. I doubt very much that they will. The question seemed to me to be asking the student to read up on the views of a number of different philosophers, weigh them up and come to his own conclusion.

This. I would fail him immediately for showing no understanding of the question. If the title was “Describe an example of evil at work in society” or something along those lines, that would at least be a valid starting point for his poorly-supported conclusions. I would bet that this is for a philosophy (or possibly theology) class, but the student demonstrates no awareness of the vast bodies of writing on the nature of evil that already exist in these fields. The only working definition of evil he offers is a copy-paste dictionary definition anyone could find on Google with five seconds. And for that, I would also fail him.

Also, I love the way the top comment points out that “the topic seems askew from the prompt” as a NITPICK. Not, you know, as a major structural flaw that will almost certainly result in a low grade. Because actually addressing the topic you have been assigned is a minor thing in academic writing, especially when the evils of feminism are running rampant in our society!

Oh MRAs. Master “academicians” you are not.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

Feminism’s essence

That’s the name of my perfume. I’m hoping someone will start making scented fucking candles with that sent …

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

Feminism’s essence: distilled from the sweat of coal miners and mammoth hunters. With a top note of bon bons, child support checks, and Prada shoes.

If allowed to age past 14 years, it disintegrates into bitter cat whiff.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

So, a few weeks ago I read about a child support reform bill that was going to be debated this week here in Wisconsin. One of the things it aimed to do was cap the amount of money eligible to be calculated to determine the amount of support a parent owes. I thought it was really weird — out of left field. I tried to see if there were local MRA groups behind it but couldn’t find anything.

Turns out it was completely random because it was pretty much a kickback to a wealthy campaign donor who is worth $30 million and protected by a prenuptial agreement, but who still thinks that $200K per year for his three children is too much. He and his lawyer literally wrote the bill, too! He aimed to change the law for everyone just to benefit himself.

So, I see this post today about how FEMINISTS are greedy, materialistic, and evil. And then the news comes out that after the bad publicity about this bill, the representative has withdrawn it. Good to see that shame still works, or maybe it was CYA, who knows. But talk about greedy.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/withdrawn-child-support-bill-was-second-attempt-by-legislator-to/article_0bb32592-baa6-5bc6-b853-5c50c979f2f6.html

shayla
shayla
7 years ago

I’ll never, ever understand people who begrudge their own children proper care and support. Hearing that MRAs think child support is an oppression had me hating their movement long before I learned that they were just a hate group in social justice clothing.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Ugh, and to put it in perspective — this man earns $1.2 million per year. This bill would’ve capped his eligible income at $150K, meaning his three children would receive a percentage of $150K as support instead of the full million dollars that he makes. People can argue all they want about whether anyone “deserves” $200K in support per year, but those same people would have to then discuss how the hell this guy “deserves” a million dollar paycheck when he’s clearly a crook —

Eisenga’s company, American Lending Solutions, was the largest violator of the state’s “no call” list, contacting more than 1 million individuals on the list to solicit them with mortgage offers. Eisenga’s company is not accredited by the Better Business Bureau as a result of that action and a number of customer complaints against the company, which currently has no positive reviews on the BBB website.

and

Eisenga put his children on BadgerCare, the state health care program intended for low-income families, despite a net worth estimated at $20 million.

What’s that about looters and moochers? I maintain that predatory assholes like Eisenga are the looters and moochers.

http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/jack_craver/the-fascinating-story-of-michael-eisenga-joel-kleefisch-s-vip/article_c0d58f36-7d64-11e3-8278-001a4bcf887a.html?vm=r

cloudiah
7 years ago

Argenti, I think Kiki was just making a Simpsons reference.

Ellie
Ellie
7 years ago

Off topic, but anyone notice that wtf price is getting progressively more unhinged? And he has a daughter(!)and son from his first wife :s

Ally S
7 years ago

Uh oh, someone didn’t like what I wrote on r/mr:

Scanning your history reveals that you post almost exclusively in Against Men’s Rights and that you’re one of those people who uses “misandry” as a “joke”.
Go away.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

What’s that about looters and moochers? I maintain that predatory assholes like Eisenga are the looters and moochers.

Bingo. But the MRAs will probably hail him as some kind of hero…or martyr, if he is pilloried as he deserves to be.

And great job tying him in to the nonsense essay on the nature of feminism-as-evil, too. What a pity the clown who wrote it wasn’t paying attention there, either.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

Ally: Face it–they’re upset because this was actually one of the better pieces they’ve ever had written in the first place, and for you to demolish it so easily makes it clear that none of them will ever get a passing grade at life.

And the bit that got me in that story about Eisenga is that the rep (Joel Kleefisch) who was backing the bill STILL isn’t walking away from this–he made it perfectly clear he’s hoping to push it forward again once the dust has settled and no one’s paying attention.

dallasapple
dallasapple
7 years ago

In its pushing, it has damaged society by stereotyping men

I just wish they would make up their minds. I run in to just as many men that cling to their gender box as women . They make lists of what are “masculine’ traits lumping all men together even as to character .All of this hard wired . How “men” think .What “men” want.The nature of “men.” The women I hang with try to move away from gender stereotypes and look at people as individuals ,and or some of the things we may have in common as humans.The anti feminists men seem to be the very ones that reject that .

Ironically how they come up with what a “man” is ,is by first stereotyping women and defining men as an opposite of that or somehow ‘different” than that.

“Women need love ,men need respect” is an example that drives me up the wall.

dallasapple
dallasapple
7 years ago

I like his use of “reveals”. Because someone who says they’re a feminist in the first sentence of their post is hiding so much about their disapproval of the MRM.

She also repeatedly said she did not agree with his argument but that was besides the point.She was willing to keep her critique strictly about the flaws in his writing.Which is what she did . She wasn’t there to debate his points. An example is she said you don’t need (or shouldn’t ) say “pushing and pushing ” ,once is enough.

She made it clear she was a feminist and did not agree with his point of view .The guy that made that comment sure is some Sherlock Holmes. I’m impressed detective gum shoes.

Falconer
7 years ago

Scanning your history reveals that you post almost exclusively in Against Men’s Rights and that you’re one of those people who uses “misandry” as a “joke”.
Go away.

I bet he had to modify the main deflector dish to generate a reverse tachyon pulse in order to get those scan results.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Ironically how they come up with what a “man” is ,is by first stereotyping women and defining men as an opposite of that or somehow ‘different” than that.

“Women need love ,men need respect” is an example that drives me up the wall.

Preach!

And then just look at how much they babble about how A Good Woman Is Hard To Find. How “incel” they are. How this. How that. But tell them that men need love and women, respect — and just watch the fur fly!

katz
7 years ago

“Women need love ,men need respect” is an example that drives me up the wall.

Oh man, this one is my absolute worst pet peeve. As if anyone out there wants to be unloved or disrespected.

dallasapple
dallasapple
7 years ago

Right . Supposedly ‘respect” comes naturally to a man as in he just naturally gives it ,but love and nurturing is not so easy for him. So he needs to make a conscious effort because its against his “nature.”

Then you have women who showing love and nurturing just naturally flows out if her by hard wiring but she struggles with respect .

When I asked the staunch believers of this would they tell a judge that in a child custody case (his limitations at loving and especially nurturing which is what you need to give children) all I heard was crickets chirping .I asked repeatedly and I still ask every time I hear that hog wash and no one will answer me .

By the way its an oxymoron . In a romantic relationship love and respect can not be distinguished from one another.

I tried over and over to get examples of a respectful ACTION verses a loving ACTION. Because they also go on and on about how love is NOT a feeling neither is respect.

Every example they gave me of a loving action could also be called respectful . When it all boiled down to it I got some to admit that they want their wives to verbally ‘praise” them with words of honor. That is what “men need.” One man NO LIE said he wants his wife to call him her “leader.” I think they want to go back to the days and societies where the women referred to their husbands as “my lord” and “yes master” is what it is.

They are talking about the kind of respect you would show a superior officer in the military .Or your boss if you didn’t want to get fired.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

And it turns out that both love and respect come in at a staggering fifteenth place behind oxygen, food, warmth, proper barometric pressure, etc. etc.

katz
7 years ago

Howard, don’t you know that when you’re hungry, love will keep you alive?

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

I suppose we should be grateful he wrote tenets and not tenants

YES that is one of my biggest peeves.

Maybe he figured that “the nature of evil is not having sex with me, because it makes me sad” had already been covered too often in that subreddit.

Like that ever stops anyone from posting in r/mr.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Howard, don’t you know that when you’re hungry, love will keep you alive?

… I have to link this now, don’t I?

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

Ally: You identified as a feminist, and yet offered a constructive, non-ideological critique of the essay. The misters just can’t get their heads around that. They wouldn’t be able to do that. Besides, to them, feminists are evil, scary monsters. They can’t ever admit a feminist did something good or right. You actually made suggestions on how to make the essay better. They responded, “You’re a feminist, go away!” It really says a lot about your maturity, and their complete lack thereof.

And it turns out that both love and respect come in at a staggering fifteenth place behind oxygen, food, warmth, proper barometric pressure, etc. etc.

Manly man no need oxygen! Manly man need respect! Raargh!

kittehserf
7 years ago

Howard – like the song says, love hamburger is all you need! 🙂

Re respect – if you read it as meaning “women’s subservience” then you get why these shitstains don’t think women need or want it, and men can’t live without it, and why it has fuckall to do with love.

Not that I think there’s an MRA alive capable of love anyway.

Shaenon
7 years ago

Pity the TA who receives this essay and has to grade it, knowing with grim certainty that every assignment this student will turn in for the rest of the semester will be the same damn thing. Nature of the deterministic universe? Feminism is evil. Substance vs. property dualism? Feminism is evil. Limits of utilitarian theory? Feminism is evil.

And he’ll blame every bad grade on the school being infected with feminism.

drst
drst
7 years ago

OT but in a sign that maybe all of Reddit isn’t the pit of garbage, a Redditor apparently tried to do an experiment to prove how “easy” women have it at online dating, so he posted a fake female profile.

He didn’t last 2 hours before he deleted it in horror at the messages he was getting.

http://www.eonline.com/news/499404/this-man-wanted-to-prove-how-easy-online-dating-is-for-women-and-he-barely-lasted-2-hours

We should start the countdown to the MRM calling this guy a mangina or claiming it’s a false story or explaining why belligerent demands for information on your underwear from a total stranger are something women should be grateful for, etc.

katz
7 years ago

I can’t wait to hear what grade the essay gets.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
7 years ago

@ drst

I read about that somewhere already… was it here, or on another blog?

I can’t remember -_-

I met my boyfriend from an online dating site, trick was it was a paid site. Meaning people on it were typically serious about it because it was a fairly large expense depending on the type of membership. It’s kinda hard to justify acting like a pecker head for $45 a month.