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A Voice for Men’s Paul Elam finally admits that he’s been pocketing an unspecified chunk of site donations

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Your donation will help change the life of this suffering man-child!

Here are some of the things Paul Elam of A Voice for Mens has said in the past that the $80,000 plus in donations his site aims to take in every year go to:

Dedicated servers, image royalties, legal fees, internet radio premiums, various kinds of computer and media hardware — and now traveling to different locations, like Toronto, in order to do what has been in the plans all along.

Here are a few things Elam has not said the donations have been going to:

Buying him sandwiches. Paying for the down payment on a condo. Paying his cable bill. Paying for DVD rentals. Buying tasteful framed art for the walls and tchotchkes for the end tables. Buying him suits for his big important media interviews.

Well, now he’s fessed up — sort of.

After a bit of a kerfuffle about financial transparency in his site’s comments section, Elam has finally admitted what a lot of us have been assuming but that he’s been loath to admit: that he’s been living off of his supporters’ donations — and a generous girlfriend. As he explained in a post yesterday:

Donations are used to meet my personal living expenses (with the help of a supportive partner), especially as I have not yet figured out a way to do this 14-16 hours a day and also hold a full time job.

Was that so hard to admit? Apparently it was, so hard, in fact, that he chose to admit it in the quietly evasive passive voice, so as to symbolically avoid responsibility for taking his donors’ money even as he acknowledged that this was what he was doing.

Now, is there anything wrong with making a living, or a part of a living, off of a “donate button” on a web page? Of course not. I have a donate button, and I run regular fundraisers; all of the money I collect — which I greatly appreciate, though it is only a small fraction of what AVFM takes in — goes directly to me, as I’ve always made clear.

Is it wrong for activists to make a living off of their activism? No. Plenty do, though few live lavishly. Most serious activist organizations depend both on paid staff and volunteers.

But I think there are two problems with what Elam has done.

The first is that he’s basically been fundraising under false pretenses, claiming that the money was going for various other costs and never — until now — admitting that a chunk of the money was going directly to him. He still won’t say what percentage of the money goes to him — and his silence on this point suggests to me that it is probably a large one.

His unwillingness to offer any real transparency beyond admitting that some of the money goes to him seems a tad, well, ironic in light of his site’s bad-mouthing of former AVFM-er Kristina Hansen for her alleged lack of transparency with regard to a much smaller sum of donated money.

The second big problem is the hypocrisy. Elam has been essentially urging his followers to adopt vows of poverty in order to devote more money to AVFM — and thus to him. He’s bragged, on several occasions, about getting $100 donations taken from a donor’s unemployment checks.

And in one notorious post, he literally offered a big “fuck you” to men who came to AVFM seeking help, telling them explicitly to “go fucking bother someone else with your problems” — if they hadn’t already offered help to AVFM by hitting the donate button.

I am tired of seeing a handful of men and women fight for a cause that should include millions. I am tired of seeing a comparative handful of men and women cough up the lion’s share of financial assistance when most, even some who come here every day to read and cheer on FTSU, won’t cough up five fucking dollars to help us out; who are just fine as long as none of the burden, even a trivial part of it, is on them.

After a bit more ranting, he offered this advice:

If you want things to change, then stock up on Ramen, get cozy in your studio apartment and join us in the fight to fix this shit. Don’t ask us to help you, but rather give your life the only meaning it may have left, as someone ready and willing to turn your meager existence into helping others who have been similarly screwed over.

Emphasis mine in both quotes.

Apparently the main “other” that doners have been helping has been Elam himself.

And as far as I can tell Elam hasn’t exactly taken his own vow of poverty. The photo at the top of the post is a partial screenshot from a recent AVFM video, which evidently shows Elam at home. To me, that doesn’t look much like the bleak studio apartment of a man living a “meager existence” on Ramen noodles.

Still, if there are men out there who want to send in hundreds of dollars from their unemployment checks to support Paul Elam in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed, that is their right, I suppose. They should just be aware that’s what they’re doing when they donate to AVFM.

NOTE: I should make clear that I don’t know what exactly Elam has spent his donors’ money on. It is possible that he has not spent any of his donors’ money on sandwiches, condos, cable bills, DVDs, art, tchotchkes, or suits. Those were just guesses. As for me, I do spend some of the money I get from donors on sandwiches, rent, cable bills, Netflix, and of course cat food.

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bodycrimes
10 years ago

He probably has to come up with er, imaginative, ways to make a living. I suspect he might find it hard to get a job.

Orion
Orion
10 years ago

Children’s rights activists are totally a thing, because children have all kinds of problems unique to them. Children are really fundamentally different from adults. “Men” are not terribly different from “humans,” and don’t really have separate concerns.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Was anyone wondering what fidelbogen really looks like?

katz
10 years ago

…Like a serial killer, apparently.

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

Right I understand having a separate cause for men /women /and children . Under that some of the issues could be human rights violations . But you said ‘children’s rights activists” not “children’s human right’s activist .” All of us are human . Any of those specific groups the fact we all have to same basic human rights is included .

It doesn’t make sense to include “human” in any of those categories .Its assumed basic human rights are part of it . Isn’t it ? Now I’m confused.

If you say “Im a children’s rights advocate” I wouldn’t wonder if you fought for children’s human right’s too.

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

Does fidelbogen not have any heat ? Like is he in his mom’s basement ? Or is the coat and hat for affect ?

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

Feminism has not liberated men in the same way it has women ? Hmm…How could it men needed no liberation in the same way women have ?

Men “still have to behave themselves. ”

Never mind I can’t believe I’m even responding to him . May the force be with you dude.

Falconer
10 years ago

Was anyone wondering what fidelbogen really looks like?

No, but thanks. I didn’t want to sleep tonight, anyway.

katz
10 years ago

Here, Falconer, here’s something less creepy to get Fidelbogen out of your mind.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

what IS the MRA party line on women working outside “the home”? Do they think women are supposed to be dependent on their menfolk nowadays, or am I confusing them with xtian fundamentalists?

As far as I can tell, most MRAs are looking for a system where women are not economically dependent on them for survival, but they behave exactly the same way they would if they were dependent. Thus, a woman should work a job lucrative enough to support her basic needs and the basic needs of any children she might have (men contributing to childcare, financially or otherwise, is misandry) but she should also do all of the unpaid labour in the house. She should not dip into the MRA’s salary at any point, but she should also be unable to seek divorce because doing so would leave her in poverty, somehow.

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

Unbelievable . “pure gold?” I had no idea bullshit had gone up so much in value . I guess its too late for me to buy into it.

cloudiah
10 years ago

MY WORDS ARE LIQUID GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago
cloudiah
10 years ago

Ice inside the windows? Eek.

I’m not going to tell you what the temperature is in LA today. That would just be cruel.

katz
10 years ago

MY WORDS ARE LIQUID GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, his speech is filled with ejaculations.

katz
10 years ago

I’m not going to tell you what the temperature is in LA today. That would just be cruel.

Suffice it to say that on Sunday I planted all the herbs that said “after danger of frost has passed.”

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

I had to wear a jacket in my apartment yesterday, but that was because it was literally MINUS TWELVE DEGREES OUTSIDE WITH ICE FORMING ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOWS. Today it’s 2 degrees, so I’m in a hoodie (hood down). Normally the furnace can keep up with the weather, but it’s been having a hard time lately.

We had to put on jackets when the ice storm hit here about a month ago and knocked out our power .It got down and stayed down below freezing and down in the teens with wind chill and in about 12 hours(with no heat) it was 50 degrees in the house .We did actually go ahead and leave when 16 hours into it, still no heat ,and it started to get dark and no idea when we would get power back .

Anyway keep warm David!

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Did you folks steal all of our cold? Because it’s like 30F hers and it was above freezing yesterday for a while. Tradesies!

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

We swing around here . Our low today 25 our high 45. Its 45 and sunny right now . Tomorrow it could be 70 degrees and sunny with puffy clouds or snowing and approaching zero . We just never know .

Falconer
10 years ago

Ice inside the windows? Eek.

Back just before Christmas in 2000, my mom’s Camry iced up inside the passenger windows. The defroster kept the windshield and the rear window mostly clear, but it was a big struggle.

This was in Lexington, KY.

Oh, and thanks, katz. Who needs sleep?

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Suffice it to say that on Sunday I planted all the herbs that said “after danger of frost has passed.”

My mom is a gardener, and she loves watching gardening shows. I remember one February we were watching a show from Victoria B.C., and the host says: “Today we’re going to talk about planting roses, because it’s that time of year.” We made identical D-: faces.

Bina
10 years ago

We haz SNOWDEVILS!!!

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

As far as I can tell, most MRAs are looking for a system where women are not economically dependent on them for survival, but they behave exactly the same way they would if they were dependent. Thus, a woman should work a job lucrative enough to support her basic needs and the basic needs of any children she might have (men contributing to childcare, financially or otherwise, is misandry) but she should also do all of the unpaid labour in the house. She should not dip into the MRA’s salary at any point, but she should also be unable to seek divorce because doing so would leave her in poverty, somehow.

This is a great summarization Viscaria.

But I can answer the “somehow’ she is in poverty part . Divorce reform .Which means no more unilateral divorce on a whim (no fault) .To take away the incentive to become filthy rich off of child support and his hard labor /life time earnings. (forget she worked O.K?) just because she wakes up one day and wants a divorce for no reason . Sure let her divorce but without “cause’ means she automatically loses custody of the children /gets none of the assets /leaves with the shirt on her back and maybe a suitcase with personals .(toothbrush /underwear )and she automatically is ordered to pay half her income in child support .

Cause ? Is regular beatings (not just a one or two time smack because she provoked him) or multiple adultery on his part .Which she must have hard indisputable evidence of .Then even with cause there is a 2 year waiting period with mandatory counseling .

That is how divorcing would land her in poverty .Same goes for the women who stayed home and did unpaid labor the entire marriage .So in her case she also walks off with a huge gap in work history . She could get a job as a nanny and a maid though.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

I know this has been said (a lot), but I can’t get over it: Paul Elam has a girlfriend? As in, a woman, who is a romantic companion to him? What? Isn’t he afraid she’s going to spermjack him, then falsely accuse him of rape? Has she actually read anything he’s written?

Freaking hypocrite. Someone brought up Anita Sarkeesian. Weren’t these the guys who were absolutely outraged over Sarkeesian receiving all that money? So of course, they are absolutely outraged over Elam pocketing donation money without telling anyone that’s what he was doing. Right?

/crickets

Right?

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