Cat discovers snow; David takes a few days off

I just wanted to clarify one thing in relation to the whole deadbeat/debtor’s prison thing… As a general rule, it should be noted that deadbeat parents are only supposed to be thrown in jail for not making payments when they actually have the ability to pay them. (This is not necessarily true for other kinds of debts — one of the many ways in which we prioritize businesses over people in the US, yay!) And the fact that so much child support goes uncollected leaves me pretty unconvinced that deadbeat parents make up a huge percentage of people imprisoned for failure to pay debts.

So there’s that too.

Auggziliary that’s pitiful . I don’t know . Like a toddler holding its breath in a temper tantrum.

Alex, there is also a site called Friends of Captain Awkward that has forums where you can ask questions. JenniferP, the owner of the original blog, isn’t part of this site, but there are good people there. http://friendsofcaptainawkward.com/main/ (If you do decide to sign up and don’t receive an activation email, send an email to admin [at] friendsofcaptainawkward.com).

I counted 65 WTFs in that post before I couldn’t take it any more, and I still had 3 paragraphs to go. I hope the comments are better…

Seriously, I thought radfems were, like, a made-up thing. A parody. I can’t believe there are actually real people out there who actually think that way. Mind you, I used to think the same thing about MRAs, so there’s that.

She believes that PIV always hurts the first few times, all men are rapists (seriously radfems, just stop it with that bullshit), all women can get pregnant and dread it, and that violence is objective, to start. Also, reading other parts of her blog, consent from a woman is meaningless, men’s brains are fundamentally inferior to women’s, and I just can’t read any more. I wish people like this wouldn’t call themselves feminists.

Please add to the WTF list the idea that barriers to avoiding pain are broken down, or whatever that shit is. This masochist begs to differ (no, really, I just may beg, as long as we all know it’s just play begging)

Also, rape doesn’t come from rapt —

rape (n.2)
kind of cruciferous plant (Brassica napus), late 14c., from Old French rape, from Latin rapa, rapum “turnip,” from PIE *rap- (cf. Greek hrapys “rape,” Old Church Slavonic repa, Lithuanian rope, Middle Dutch roeve, Old High German ruoba, German Rübe “rape, turnip”). Usually grown to feed sheep, an oil made from it is used in cooking (see canola).

rape (n.1)
early 14c., “booty, prey;” mid-14c., “forceful seizure; plundering, robbery, extortion,” from Anglo-French rap, rape, and directly from Latin rapere “seize” (see rape (v.)). Meaning “act of abducting a woman or sexually violating her or both” is from early 15c., but perhaps late 13c. in Anglo-Latin.

rape (v.)
late 14c., “seize prey; abduct, take by force,” from rape (n.) and from Anglo-French raper (Old French rapir) “to seize, abduct,” a legal term, probably from past participle of Latin rapere “seize, carry off by force, abduct” (see rapid).

Latin rapere was used for “sexually violate,” but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprare “to defile, ravish, violate,” related to stuprum (n.), literally “disgrace.” Meaning “to abduct (a woman), ravish;” also “seduce (a man)” is from early 15c. in English. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low German and Dutch rapen in the same sense.

We can assume the first form is irrelevant, but neither of the other two say shit about the woman being property. It’s what it usually meant in practice, but to claim it’s built into the root of the word is patently false.

Oh, rapt (and rapture) do share the root though —

rapture (n.)
c.1600, “act of carrying off,” from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura “seizure, rape, kidnapping,” from Latin raptus “a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape” (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of “spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport” first recorded c.1600 (raptures).

rapt (adj.)
late 14c., “carried away in an ecstatic trance,” from Latin raptus, past participle of rapere “seize, carry off” (see rape (v.)). A figurative sense, the notion is of “carried up into Heaven (bodily or in a dream),” as in a saint’s vision. Latin literal sense of “carried away” was in English from 1550s. In 15c.-17c. the word also sometimes could mean “raped.” Sense of “engrossed” first recorded c.1500. As a past participle adjective, in English it spawned the back-formed verb rap “to affect with rapture,” which was common c.1600-1750.

So the Christian rapture is rape. I could argue that just as “logically” as she’s arguing that all PiV sex is rape. Possibly more so, seeing how I’ve seen how rapere was used in Classical Latin — taken by force is probably the best definition, my dictionary is saying “to seize, snatch, carry away”.

rapum turnip -> Rapunzel. I think that was my favourite part of that story.

See, I didn’t catch that contradiction, dallasapple. I got hung up on the fact that she thinks it’s painful for everyone at first. For me: awkward? Yes. Painful? No.

Sorry to hear about your sinus and ear infection, hellkell. I had a cold turn into what was probably bronchitis, but by the time I figured that out I wasn’t running a fever any more, so I never went to the dr. for it. Hope you feel better very soon!

Stop me if this is veering into TMI, but…does it really hurt that much for most people the first time? Because I was kinda psyched out by the whole pain thing, but we were just super slow and gentle and it didn’t hurt at all. I mean, it’s not like you have to just ram it in there.

I don’t think that is TMI . I think especially if you are older (by older I mean 18 ,19, 20 ) and you have used tampons ? AND you are relaxed and go slow and easy (no ramming it ?) It shouldn’t hurt that bad or at all . Pressure ? Sure but that’s the good part . (grin ).

But if you take a fully in tact hymen and just burst through it in a thrust or two ? That can be slobbering painful .

Or maybe it’s meant as a warning to young women to stay virgins, along the lines of some of the lies they told us about drugs when we were kids.