Attention pretty high school girls! If a nerdy looking dude in your school shows up one day loaded with guns and Molotov cocktails and starts shooting up the place, it’s actually your fault, for not sleeping with him.
That, in any case, is the argument of a recent post on pickup guru Roosh V’s repulsive Return of Kings blog. In a post titled Why Did Karl Halverson Pierson Attack His School And Kill A Pretty Girl? guest blogger Billy Chubbs looks at a recent shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, throwing out the few bits of information we do have about the shooter and making up a story of his own.
On December 13 2013, Karl Halverson Pierson walked into his high school with a gun, wounded a fellow student named Claire Davis and then killed himself. The assumed motive was Karl’s anger toward a teacher at the high school but others in the mainstream media posited their own theories as to the reasons behind the shooting. The usual suspects were called out to blame: prescription drugs, mental illness, gun control, etc. … One theory that was noticeably absent from the ‘experts’ who reported on the situation, however, was Karl’s probable sexual frustration.
His proof? The fact that the girl he managed to shoot and mortally wound before killing himself was quite conventionally attractive. Chubbs posts pictures of the shooter and the girl he shot, who subsequently died:
What do you notice right away? Karl’s not a stunningly handsome dude and Claire is a smoke show. As of this writing, there’s not much information on Karl’s sexual history. It’s doubtful that Karl had a girlfriend, and it’s likely that he was a virgin.
Chubbs makes clear that even if he’s completely wrong about all this, he’s not going to let mere facts stand in the way of his theory.
By the way, if further details are released in the future which discredit my assumptions, well, ignore the Karl parts of this article obviously. Yet even if I’m wrong in my assumptions of Karl’s life, the basic gist of this article is right and does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies.
And so he moves on to state what he considers his very brave thesis:
Return Of Kings has touched on this subject before, but since the cowardly and narrow minded mainstream media refuses to even consider positing such a theory, it’s up to us ROK truth sayers to repeat ad nauseum such observations: women’s selfishness makes men kill.
And by “selfishness” Chubbs means their unwillingness to shower sex on all men.
What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.
If by “sure thing” you mean “completely wrong,” then yes. There’s no evidence to back up the oft-repeated manosphere myth that women are having sex with only a small percentage of men. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of adult men are having at least occasional sex. According to one recent survey of American sexual behavior, some 86% of men said they’d had sex in the past year; only 70% of women said the same.
In our society today, there are hundreds of thousands of young men with insatiable sex drives who are receiving little to no sex from their female peers—not even the less attractive women whom traditionally would be paired off with less attractive men.
Wait, someone on Return of Kings is suggesting that it might be acceptable for a man to date a “less attractive woman?” The sort of woman that Roosh and Return of Kings routinely ridicule, and ridicule men for dating?
Chubbs wants to have it both ways. He wants to play at being an alpha male, but he also wants the privileges of victimhood as a poor, oppressed beta. Indeed, in his bio, he describes himself, paradoxically, as a “bipolar, optimistic Alpha male who truly believes that Beta chumps like himself are doomed in today’s politically correct utopia.” Alpha or beta: which is it, dude?
In his post, he postures as an alpha even while recounting his own story of beta victimhood:
Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man. Although I get laid consistently, I have gone long stretches without any sort of sexual contact with women.
Well, that kind of sucks, dude, but, you know, welcome to life. Sometimes life sucks.
It was gruelling.
No, the Bataan Death March was gruelling. You had a dry spell. I’ve had dry spells. Everyone else I know has had dry spells. Virtually everyone in the world has dry spells. They can be really rough. But they’re not a fucking human rights violation.
My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.
OH NO YOU WERE FORCED TO MASTURBATE
NEWS FLASH: Women aren’t obligated to jump on your stick every time you get a boner.
For the vast majority of men their sex life is a central part of their character and a major part of their motivation for all aspects of their life. If men are barred from it (whether they actually are or merely feel that they are) for whatever reason, they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.
Wait, how did we get from, boo hoo I have to masturbate to, well I might as well just kill a bunch of people?
Karl wanted to have sex, and just by looking at him it’s obvious he wasn’t getting much, or any. Claire is a beautiful young woman and is doubtlessly the object of affection for many young men who know her, including lonely and sexually frustrated ones. Karl was certainly amongst them. Karl had no chance to ever be with her and he knew it. And that’s why he encountered her in his school, armed with a gun, he turned it against her.
So it’s her fault for getting shot by a dude because she didn’t fuck him?
Am I saying Claire should have known better and had sex with Karl in advance? No. Claire was for all intents and purposes (looks, status, wealth) far out of Karl’s league. Yet there’s little doubt that there were many, many women in Karl’s high school who were in his league.
Oh, so it was some other girl’s fault that Claire got shot, because this other girl didn’t fuck him.
So why wasn’t Karl at home relieving his sexual frustrations with a girlfriend on par with his looks instead of simmering in anger alone, writing typical angry teenaged political messages on his Facebook and purchasing guns? It is because the inherent selfishness of all women has been allowed to run rampant in our Western societies.
How is it selfish for women to choose who they want to have sex with? No one is obligated to have sex with anyone they don’t want to have sex with.
Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them.
What the fucking hell? What planet are you living on and how on earth, even if this were true, does this justify murder?
Also: there is no epidemic of American men “forced to remain virgins into their twenties” by evil women. Indeed, the average American male loses his virginity just shy of age 17, slightly earlier than the average American female.
And even then, the relationship is a farce. The woman has only entered it out of desperation since all the upper echelons of sexually enticing men who used to have sex with her have cast her off and she is emotionally damaged by her selfish experiences.
Really? This little narrative describes the life of precisely zero women I have ever met.
What future did Karl have to look forward to? Working a mediocre job (if he could even get one), living in a society that does not look out for him or his interests in the slightest (while often ridiculing the people like him in the media – when not actively selling out his future) and having to wait until he was twenty-five or older before being able to enter into a sexually satisfying relationship with a woman on par with his looks (who would be incapable of actually loving him by that point due to her dozens of sexual partners)?
NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WHY DO YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT IT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I DON’T EVEN
Young men like Karl – who aren’t blessed with looks, or exorbitant wealth, or the top tier social skills of the small percentage of men who are getting laid – have been left in the dust by our female-centric, uncaring societies.
IT’S NOT JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MEN WHO ARE HAVING SEX WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT ITS NOT TRUE WHY DO YOU
And society does not care until men like him pick up a gun and starts shooting.
And now we come to the blackmail portion of the rant: Sleep with us or we’ll kill you!
The assumed catalyst as to why Karl went on the rampage was that he was demoted by a teacher in charge of the debate team, and that this caused murderous frustration in him. Do you think Karl would have had so much murderous frustration if he was receiving as little as a blowjob every so often?
All he wanted was a blowjob! It is the sacred duty of every high school girl to seek out high school boys with the greatest surplus of murderous frustration and ease this frustration with sex.
So long as society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to), sexually frustrated men will continue to lash out with extreme violence.
Wait, so after demanding that women be more promiscuous, you’re berating them for being promiscuous?
Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.
The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue. Until society sits down and thinks over these problems with an unclouded mind, men will continue the shootings. More people will die just so Jane Doe can continue to ‘explore’ her sexuality until she hits the wall.
So young men should be guaranteed sex — OR ELSE THEY’LL SHOOT YOU — but young women are somehow evil for having sex with men who aren’t murderously frustrated nerds?
Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting. For many men, hundreds of thousands of them, they live in a mentally ill society. It’s a testament to either their humanity or their cowardice that more of them do not lash out like this.
And it’s a testament to your lack of humanity that you even think like this.
*sends Argenti carrot seeds*
Awww, yesssss Bina!
Drinks and witchcraft.
The perfect feminist Monday.
Argenti,
I think the “no pain relief for cutters” stems from the convergence of two fucked up attitudes: fucked up attitudes to mental illness (which I’ll defer to you on) and fucked up attitudes to pain relief. I think we undertreat/mistreat chronic pain for fear of addiction (I mean, physical dependence sucks, but coffee drinkers are physically dependent and it doesn’t ruin their lives) and we undertreat pain associated with marginalized groups (like period pain and childbirth).
Marie – truth! 🙂
Bina – excellent. We use clumping litter, so it’ll have those soggy chunks.
Don’t forget:
A slut is someone who sleeps with everyone.
A bitch is someone who sleeps with everyone, except YOU!
That’s the key, you see. You should only ever sleep with the guy who is lusting after you, and NObody else. And if you have multiple guys lusting after you…well…rule still applies.
Because women are miracle workers an’ stuff.
Oh great . We are back to a woman’s responsibility to realize men have 7 times the testosterone level as women and how she (the feminist) plans on being “part of the solution”
Friend of mine once used that line to some jerkwad who got snotty when she wasn’t interested in him – “Yeah, yeah, I know. If I won’t fuck you I’m frigid or a lesbian, if I fuck anyone else I’m a slut.” She delivered this in her very down-to-earth, balanced between bored and mildly amused, voice that she used on losers like this.
It shut him right up. He hadn’t a clue what to say.
That’s when you’re supposed to provide them with friends of yours.
(And yea, I know that because I actually had a friend who would mourn constantly over still having his virginity at 21 ask me multiple times to hook him up with any “slutty” friends I have “just for a one-time pity fuck” after it was clear I wasn’t going to do it myself. That shit went from depressing to disgusting real fast)
Hadn’t this idiot ever heard of sex workers?
@Argenti Aertheri – I totally get being too mentally exhausted to look into something right away, but I realized I should explain a bit more, lest you get the wrong impression of what I meant. “Ashspace” is a term we “ashers” use to basically mean any space (almost always online) where it is safe to talk about suicidal ideas with the group. “Bible bashers” and anyone who will report the conversations are not allowed and banned if they somehow get in. This all originated with “alt.suicide.holiday” (hence a.s.h. – ash), but, like I said, it has expanded quite a bit and now has lots of groups all over (the larger ones mostly filled with trolls, which is why I recommended avoiding the main, big ones.
The most important reason I’m writing this right now, however, is that ash is “famous” for having a list of methods, and I suddenly remembered that and worried that you might google ashspace, see that fact, and think that I was directing you to a list of ways to “catch the bus” (i.e. off yourself), which is the exact opposite of the reason I was recommending that you check out ash. A good ash group is a place that helps keep the members alive and getting better, precisely BECAUSE you can talk freely. Sorry for adding all of this, right when you’re too tired to read it, but I didn’t want you thinking that I was wanting you to ctb (catch the bus) – and now, btw, you’ve learned most of the ash lingo.
I remember him saying things like “if I don’t get to have sex soon, I’ll have to go to a prostitute!!” :C Why, exactly, that’s worse then having a friend beg someone to sleep with you out of pure pity is beyond me. Money, I guess, but he had money, if it was THAT important to him I don’t get why he wouldn’t splurge a little.
Needless to say I have spoken to him in years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was still whining, still a virgin, and still too good for a sex worker.
Haven’t spoken to him, I should say. I honestly do wonder about that guy sometimes, now that I think about it I can see him getting sucked into garbage like this. Poor entitled fucker. I feel bad for him but my annoyance outweighs my pity.
Just decided to do a little reading of my own on this shooting, and whaddya know…our little misodge’s theory is all soaking wet:
So…the real cause was a grudge against a MALE teacher. And this poor girl just happened to be in the wrong place at the time.
BTW, there’s more than one picture of her there, and in one of them, she appears to be wearing braces on her teeth. She’s cute, but “a smokeshow”? Really, dude? How BETA of you.
Meanwhile, a little goodness of humanity to dilute the Raging Stoopid:
“Couple writes song to remember Claire Davis”
and
“Bikers ride to honor Claire Davis”
Let’s hope the good folks of the world outnumber the bullshit theorists at Return of Krap.
baileyrenee – on dudetwit’s argument, it’d be “If someone doesn’t pity me and fix this tooth soon (for free), I’ll have to go to a dentist!” or “If someone doesn’t offer to fix this broken pipe, I’ll have to call a plumber!” Poor precious doesn’t want to put his dick into someone who (probably) isn’t interested, but will get paid for it – but he demands to put it into someone who isn’t interested and is getting absolutely nothing from it at all … well, except maybe a horrible story to tell years later.
@Shaun: I have read the first two books of “The True Game” trilogy – “King’s Blood Four” and “Necromancer Nine” – so I know that there is some ugly stuff at work but probably not as much as the books that follow it. ([SPOILER]: in my opinion, Mavin Manyshaped’s first appearance, and just her sheer verve, in “King’s Blood Four” is one of the best introductions of a character that I’ve ever read.) And thank you for the recommendations!
Rahu — first off, you can just call me Argenti, I realized I haven’t done my usual introduction as our first conversation was a bit serious for that! But yeah, Argenti is fine, and I use gender neutral pronouns — ze/zir — your preference?
That aside, you could’ve stopped at alt.suicide.holiday and how you meant to point me to the supportive side of things, cuz I’m familiar with their list and lingo, though it’s been years now, so I wouldn’t be surprised to find new terms.
BUS is similar, but focused on self-injury. And again, might want to avoid the main board, but Random Weirdness WILL keep you distracted, I used to be a mod there, and, uh, the subforum title about “eccentric people”? *bows* I was one of the eccentric people that got that subforum created. Off topic is the topic.
“fucked up attitudes to mental illness (which I’ll defer to you on) and fucked up attitudes to pain relief.”
More like the intersection of the two — you must like pain, so what do you want pain killers for. Because stitches tend to be done over, at most, local, usually just surface level anesthetic, nothing with any addiction potentional. As for other fucked up attitudes to pain relief…*shakes head* when my mother had one or the other of us! and the nurse asked how painful the contractions were, said nurse then clarified as she’d had a woman give birth in the elevator because her contractions weren’t worse than her period. To have to suffer that monthy and probably be told all women (mm, ciscentric much?) experience cramps? No, just no. That violates first do no harm.
Honestly though, I think part of the fucked up attitudes towards self-injury go back to what I said before about what makes us different from them. The medical folks don’t understand why, and often don’t want to understand why, and thus we’re some weird aliens to them. I’ve had psychs give disapproving replies, acting like somehow the problem is wtf I’ve done to my skin, not why I did it, to psych demanding to see my scars (yeah, no, you can see the oldest batch and that’s it, and only because those are barely visible anymore, my scars are MINE)
You know, I was going to shut up cuz I’m so far off topic, but I’m not — the mentally ill, depending how ill and who’s judging us, are deemed to not deserve control over our bodies. Which is exactly what these assholes want for women — for them not to have the control over their bodies to say no to sex. Both groups are deemed lesser, other, different and to be used as those who supposedly know better see fit. And heaven help you if you’re a mentally ill woman, then you certainly can’t know what’ sanest for you…that was autocorrect mangling “what’s best” but I’m leaving it, it fits.
Did he write that toxic waste to incite frustrated men or to scare the shit out of young women who may come across his crap by accident. Ladies, seriously he’s trying to scare you into the beds of shitlords like him.
All this shit burns:
“Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame…”
EVERYONE has the right to be picky. Well, except for shitlords — when you refuse to extend a little humanity to half of the human race, well, don’t be surprised when you feel lonley.
“… while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them.”
This is science? What the fuck is this? Is it easier to get through his day if he runs this toxic PSA on a continuous loop in his brain? And the number 26. It’s so official sounding. All women loose their looks at 26? Wonder how he decided that was the official age. Where their lab tests conducted? More scare tactics for any women in earshot — in addition to providing a superficial tonic of comfort to all bitter little misters.
That guilt young women feel when they don’t instantly feel an attraction to someone who obviously likes them? I got it by the truckloads when I was younger. It’s a good god damn thing I now know it was all sexist bullshit backed up by a society that downplays womens’ desires and personal needs. I wonder if the little shit ever thought about how a member of that poor murdered girl’s family would feel if they read his OP. She was murdered, and it was her fault. She was pretty, and that’s a crime — if she doesn’t put out for the right people. Expect more of it, girls, if you don’t fall into line. Nice, asshole. You feel more sorry for yourself than a murder victim.
Kitteh, that sounds about right. It was just pure entitlement to sex. It was sad since he so desperate and obviously lonely but he was not doing himself any favours acting how he did. He turned just regular social awkwardness into the most whiny repulsive bullshit, and like most guys like that, if he really worked on himself and chilled out a bit he could have probably got a girlfriend.
People musing what these shitlords have against sex workers if virginity is so terrible…while this is a current post being mocked on ShitRedditSays:
“While the woman is sleeping with him, the value of the sex is lesser than that she gave to other men. Therefore he’s not as special, as desirable, as attractive, etc. It’s almost like being friend zoned, except based on kink levels.”
Go figure.
@Argenti – Cool! I’m glad/sorry you already know ash, and super glad you get that I was pointing you toward the good side. Thanks for the BUS info – I’ll check it out. I go with she/her.
“Assumed motive”?
No, dude, that WAS the motive. It was known. Others were well aware of the grudge, as was the intended MALE victim, who got away in time.
And you may commence feeling stupid at any time now, because you sure as hell ARE stupid. The tragic irony is, you’re so fucking stupid that you probably WON’T feel stupid.
Sadly, I’m not surprised at this, TBH. Also, R.I.P. to Claire Davis, who died in the shooting. 🙁
@Bina: Thanks for the links, Bina. 🙂
Shiraz, that’s some level of self-hate they’re showing, isn’t it? Mind you, if dude with a toxic attitude thinks “sex with me is not as good as with someone else”, he’s probably right. Self-fulfillilng prophecy and all that.
baileyrenee – these guys never grasp that “when you’re in a hole, stop digging” applies to them, do they? They make themselves repellent and wonder why they’re treated as if they’re repellent. Never occurs to them to socialise with people and make friends, instead of looking for a woman who’ll have sex just to shut them up.
‘Course that strategy wouldn’t work. Who was it upthread who mentioned the jerk who went from “if I could lose my virginity all would be well” to “if I could find some better/hotter/whatever woman all would be well”?
delurking here. Before I start, can I just say how awesome you guys all are.
Don’t really have much to add to the conversation, I just needed to unload the eww feeling that I got reading that. Like, I am now required to give sex to guys just so that they don’t kill me? That’s just saying that rape doesn’t exist because it is every woman’s duty to get some guy off whenever he feels like it. Blegh
Well, it just amazes me that this Billy Chubbs character would just post, on the Internet for anyone to see, such ample evidence of his own stupidity and lack of basic decency or common sense.
I mean, he could’ve saved a whole bunch of verbiage and just posted: “I am a stupid asshole.”