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Return of Kings blog: High school girls are responsible for school shootings because they won't have sex with nerds

A memorial for the victim of the shooting
A memorial for the victim of the shooting

Attention pretty high school girls! If a nerdy looking dude in your school shows up one day loaded with guns and Molotov cocktails and starts shooting up the place, it’s actually your fault, for not sleeping with him.

That, in any case, is the argument of a recent post on pickup guru Roosh V’s repulsive Return of Kings blog. In a post titled Why Did Karl Halverson Pierson Attack His School And Kill A Pretty Girl? guest blogger Billy Chubbs looks at a recent shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, throwing out the few bits of information we do have about the shooter and making up a story of his own.

On December 13 2013, Karl Halverson Pierson walked into his high school with a gun, wounded a fellow student named Claire Davis and then killed himself. The assumed motive was Karl’s anger toward a teacher at the high school but others in the mainstream media posited their own theories as to the reasons behind the shooting. The usual suspects were called out to blame: prescription drugs, mental illness, gun control, etc. … One theory that was noticeably absent from the ‘experts’ who reported on the situation, however, was Karl’s probable sexual frustration.

His proof? The fact that the girl he managed to shoot and mortally wound before killing himself was quite conventionally attractive. Chubbs posts pictures of the shooter and the girl he shot, who subsequently died:

What do you notice right away? Karl’s not a stunningly handsome dude and Claire is a smoke show. As of this writing, there’s not much information on Karl’s sexual history. It’s doubtful that Karl had a girlfriend, and it’s likely that he was a virgin.

Chubbs makes clear that even if he’s completely wrong about all this, he’s not going to let mere facts stand in the way of his theory.

By the way, if further details are released in the future which discredit my assumptions, well, ignore the Karl parts of this article obviously. Yet even if I’m wrong in my assumptions of Karl’s life, the basic gist of this article is right and does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies.

And so he moves on to state what he considers his very brave thesis:

Return Of Kings has touched on this subject before, but since the cowardly and narrow minded mainstream media refuses to even consider positing such a theory, it’s up to us ROK truth sayers to repeat ad nauseum such observations: women’s selfishness makes men kill.

And by “selfishness” Chubbs means their unwillingness to shower sex on all men.

What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.

If by “sure thing” you mean “completely wrong,” then yes. There’s no evidence to back up the oft-repeated manosphere myth that women are having sex with only a small percentage of men. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of adult men are having at least occasional sex. According to one recent survey of American sexual behavior, some 86% of men said they’d had sex in the past year; only 70% of women said the same.

In our society today, there are hundreds of thousands of young men with insatiable sex drives who are receiving little to no sex from their female peers—not even the less attractive women whom traditionally would be paired off with less attractive men.

Wait, someone on Return of Kings is suggesting that it might be acceptable for a man to date a “less attractive woman?” The sort of woman that Roosh and Return of Kings routinely ridicule, and ridicule men for dating?

Chubbs wants to have it both ways. He wants to play at being an alpha male, but he also wants the privileges of victimhood as a poor, oppressed beta. Indeed, in his bio, he describes himself, paradoxically, as a “bipolar, optimistic Alpha male who truly believes that Beta chumps like himself are doomed in today’s politically correct utopia.” Alpha or beta: which is it, dude?

In his post, he postures as an alpha even while recounting his own story of beta victimhood:

Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man. Although I get laid consistently, I have gone long stretches without any sort of sexual contact with women.

Well, that kind of sucks, dude, but, you know, welcome to life. Sometimes life sucks.

It was gruelling.

No, the Bataan Death March was gruelling. You had a dry spell.  I’ve had dry spells. Everyone else I know has had dry spells. Virtually everyone in the world has dry spells. They can be really rough. But they’re not a fucking human rights violation.

My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.

OH NO YOU WERE FORCED TO MASTURBATE

NEWS FLASH: Women aren’t obligated to jump on your stick every time you get a boner.

For the vast majority of men their sex life is a central part of their character and a major part of their motivation for all aspects of their life. If men are barred from it (whether they actually are or merely feel that they are) for whatever reason, they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.

Wait, how did we get from, boo hoo I have to masturbate to, well I might as well just kill a bunch of people?

Karl wanted to have sex, and just by looking at him it’s obvious he wasn’t getting much, or any. Claire is a beautiful young woman and is doubtlessly the object of affection for many young men who know her, including lonely and sexually frustrated ones. Karl was certainly amongst them. Karl had no chance to ever be with her and he knew it. And that’s why he encountered her in his school, armed with a gun, he turned it against her.

So it’s her fault for getting shot by a dude because she didn’t fuck him?

Am I saying Claire should have known better and had sex with Karl in advance? No. Claire was for all intents and purposes (looks, status, wealth) far out of Karl’s league. Yet there’s little doubt that there were many, many women in Karl’s high school who were in his league.

Oh, so it was some other girl’s fault that Claire got shot, because this other girl didn’t fuck him.

So why wasn’t Karl at home relieving his sexual frustrations with a girlfriend on par with his looks instead of simmering in anger alone, writing typical angry teenaged political messages on his Facebook and purchasing guns? It is because the inherent selfishness of all women has been allowed to run rampant in our Western societies.

How is it selfish for women to choose who they want to have sex with? No one is obligated to have sex with anyone they don’t want to have sex with.

Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them.

What the fucking hell? What planet are you living on and how on earth, even if this were true, does this justify murder?

Also: there is no epidemic of American men “forced to remain virgins into their twenties” by evil women. Indeed, the average American male loses his virginity just shy of age 17, slightly earlier than the average American female.

And even then, the relationship is a farce. The woman has only entered it out of desperation since all the upper echelons of sexually enticing men who used to have sex with her have cast her off and she is emotionally damaged by her selfish experiences.

Really? This little narrative describes the life of precisely zero women I have ever met.

What future did Karl have to look forward to? Working a mediocre job (if he could even get one), living in a society that does not look out for him or his interests in the slightest (while often ridiculing the people like him in the media – when not actively selling out his future) and having to wait until he was twenty-five or older before being able to enter into a sexually satisfying relationship with a woman on par with his looks (who would be incapable of actually loving him by that point due to her dozens of sexual partners)?

NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WHY DO YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT IT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I DON’T EVEN

Young men like Karl – who aren’t blessed with looks, or exorbitant wealth, or the top tier social skills of the small percentage of men who are getting laid – have been left in the dust by our female-centric, uncaring societies.

IT’S NOT JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MEN WHO ARE HAVING SEX WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT ITS NOT TRUE WHY DO YOU

And society does not care until men like him pick up a gun and starts shooting.

And now we come to the blackmail portion of the rant: Sleep with us or we’ll kill you!

The assumed catalyst as to why Karl went on the rampage was that he was demoted by a teacher in charge of the debate team, and that this caused murderous frustration in him. Do you think Karl would have had so much murderous frustration if he was receiving as little as a blowjob every so often?

All he wanted was a blowjob! It is the sacred duty of every high school girl to seek out high school boys with the greatest surplus of murderous frustration and ease this frustration with sex.

So long as society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to), sexually frustrated men will continue to lash out with extreme violence.

Wait, so after demanding that women be more promiscuous, you’re berating them for being promiscuous?

Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.

The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue. Until society sits down and thinks over these problems with an unclouded mind, men will continue the shootings. More people will die just so Jane Doe can continue to ‘explore’ her sexuality until she hits the wall.

So young men should be guaranteed sex — OR ELSE THEY’LL SHOOT YOU — but young women are somehow evil for having sex with men who aren’t murderously frustrated nerds?

Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting. For many men, hundreds of thousands of them, they live in a mentally ill society. It’s a testament to either their humanity or their cowardice that more of them do not lash out like this.

And it’s a testament to your lack of humanity that you even think like this.

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La Strega
10 years ago

A couple of thoughts come to mind. One is that these guys invest the sexual act with incredible power. Maybe I’m betraying my age, but my memory still serves, and even though in my youth I was so horny and frustrated at times I did inexplicably stupid things, I was never remotely murderous (suicidal, perhaps, but never homicidal!) The other thing is that Roosh (and others) has a lot to gain, personally, by promoting the myth that men denied sex-on-demand are dangerous beasts that pose a threat to society. The more I have read of manosphere, the more cynical I have become of the motives of their leaders and gurus.

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

I can’t even come up with a coherent response to this. It makes me feel ashamed that these men who label themselves “Alphas” would be so hypocritical, and just downright awful people. I couldn’t care less who the victim was, who the shooter was. Nobody owes anyone sex, and absolutely nobody can claim a dry spell, or even virginity, as a valid excuse for homicide. They claim so many problems in the world, and they want to do nothing to fix them other than tell women how evil they are, and try to be in control.

I may be beta as hell by their terms, but I’ll chop off my own junk with a rusty axe before I attack anyone simply because I’m sexually frustrated.

David, let me say you are one of the people who kindles my faith in other men. Having read your blog over the past few months, along with some serious discussions with some other feminists, I’ve been able to stand up more to some of the misogynist and generally asinine behavior of one of my coworkers. Keep doing what you do.

La Strega
10 years ago

Honestly, I don’t think “men murder because they need sex” is any more (or less) true than “men rape because they need sex.”

La Strega
10 years ago

@ AIT,

It always makes me feel so much more hopeful about the world when a man steps up and makes a comment like yours. Thanks.

Diana Adams
Diana Adams
10 years ago

@Grumpycatisagirl, exactly. This goes beyond than judt being a terrible person, because none of what they write makes sense even in a twisted way.

katz
10 years ago

My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.

I’m going to ignore everything else and focus on avoiding touching anything at this guy’s gym.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

“David, let me say you are one of the people who kindles my faith in other men. Having read your blog over the past few months, along with some serious discussions with some other feminists, I’ve been able to stand up more to some of the misogynist and generally asinine behavior of one of my coworkers. Keep doing what you do.”

This is an extremely heartening paragraph to read right now. Thanks, AIT! 🙂 Have you commented here before? I’ve missed a lot of the recent threads, but hopefully you’ve gotten/will get a welcome package.

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
10 years ago

@kittehserf:

Yeah, I am new, in a way. Been reading the site for months, but have only just recently decided to comment.

And sorry for the derogatory use of “insane”. I know I shouldn’t use it and I try not to, but ablest prejudices have a habit of creeping into my language from time to time. D:

katz
10 years ago

Breakfastman: As long as you are aware and working on it then that is good.

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
10 years ago

@katz: Yeah, I try. As I am an able-bodied, straight, white, cis male, I know I have a lot to work on in this area, just in general. But I like to think that I try my damnedest to avoid that shit.

katz
10 years ago

I think that to some extent being aware and trying to work on it is all any of us can do.

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

@La Strega:

You’re quite welcome. Here’s hoping more hope-inspiring guys are around, and will help with the hope spreading.

@Grumpycatisagirl:

I have commented here a couple times, and I haven’t received the package personally, but I did see it being linked to others, so I hope they didn’t mind sharing. I personally love SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES. 😀

kittehserf
10 years ago

BreakfastMan – don’t they just! I get caught out, too. Only even started thinking about it here.

AIT – hi, thank you for that great comment. Have you had a Welcome Package?

Ally S
10 years ago

My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.

TMI warning:

The only thing that makes me feel bad for this guy is that masturbating up to 5 times a day is sure to make oneself terribly sore down there. I mean, ow – that has to hurt.

Rahu
Rahu
10 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri –

Oh boy do I need coffee to properly express a reply to that. It’s not that simple. Not just reopen them, but improve them — locking the suicidal away (and they are locked, it’s part of why I am obsessively careful not to say anything that might get me committed), without real treatment, isn’t going to cure shit. Like, the last time I tried to kill myself I was facing homelessness, merely locking me up wouldn’t have solved either my mental illness(es) nor the housing problem.

And they don’t often (ever?) have suicidal wards. They lock people who’ve tried to kill themselves up with people who’re prone to screaming and violence. Often in mixed gender wards (which I guess at least means trans* people don’t have a “idfk wtf to do with you” housing issue like with homeless shelters).

It’s a goddamned disaster. And that’s not touching the staffing issues, stories of people having self-inflicted wounds stitched without anesthetic are all too common (just as an example)

We need a complete overhaul, not just more buildings to lock more people up in. To steal a line from EA’s book “when the asylum is really an asylum, I think I shall go and live there for ever and ever.” Now, idk about forever, but if it were anything like what the word asylum implies, I wouldn’t lie my way out of being sent there.

Backing you up here on every single thing you’ve said (except the non-anesthetic, which I personally never experienced, but will take your word for) – I can vouch for all of it personally. (btw, have you tried ashspace – avoid the main area, and, unfortunately, most of the groups, but occasionally there are good groups. Mine broke up a while ago and I’m still looking for another good one, but sometimes even the not-great ones can help.)

kittehserf
10 years ago

Ha, let him be sore, I say. Schadenfreude all the way.

kittehserf
10 years ago

(My comment was answering Ally, not Rahu, I hasten to add!)

lumi
lumi
10 years ago

So, if pretty teenage girls have sex they are vile sluts who deserve to die. If pretty young girls don’t have sex, they are causing manpain and deserve to die

Maybe we can someday have a world where pretty (and not pretty) girls can do what they want.

drst
drst
10 years ago

does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies

A number of mass shooters show signs of violent behavior long before the actual shooting occurs. Very few people are completely peaceful and non-violent every day of their lives and then suddenly murder (or attempt to murder) a whole bunch of people in cold blood. Except of course that abusers frequently see themselves as being in the right and being “forced” by their victim to do something wrong. Gee, what does that sound like?

forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them

Nobody forced you to remain a virgin, dude. If you want to have sex just on principle of “I want sex” and not “I want sex with THIS person” you can accomplish it. Ditto if you want a relationship with someone under the age of 26. (What the fuck is up with the magical cut off of 26 years? Although at least that’s well past the age of consent for once.) You want to have sex? Go out and stop being such a vile human being and eventually you will find someone who will have sex with you. That’s not what “forced” you to remain a virgin. You put yourself in that situation, just you.

Also I’m beyond fucking tired of people talking about being a virgin as if it’s shameful. YOU DON’T HAVE TO HAVE SEX WITH ANYONE UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX. IT IS PERFECTLY NORMAL AND OKAY TO NOT HAVE SEX. YOU DO NOT NEED AN “ACCEPTABLE” REASON TO NOT HAVE SEX ANY MORE THAN YOU NEED AN ACCEPTABLE REASON TO HAVE IT.

Ahem.

society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to),

I have to break this down a bit here. First off, either society encourages women to be promiscuous or we are inherently promiscuous, not both. If we were inherently slutty, society wouldn’t need to encourage us to do it, we just would because it’s INHERENT. Whereas if we’re not inherently slutty, society would be encouraging us to engage in such behaviors because we weren’t doing it on our own. That’s just slopping rhetoric.

Second, society “allows” women to “limit their sexual choices.” That’s really the whole thing in a nutshell, innit? It’s not that everyone has a fundamental right to limit our sexual choices whatever they may be. Nope. It’s that society “allows” women to behave this way. It’s not our natural state to want to choose who we have sex with (or whether to have sex at all).

And that last bit is just the turd cherry on the shit sundae. “Many of them have no right to” fuck men at the “top.” Not only do women not have the right to choose sexual partners for our own reasons in general, when we do choose, we’re doing something almost criminal by not fucking who this dude and his MRM bros think we should be fucking.

The net result of my reading this is that I want to go find the most conventionally attractive available guy I can and fuck his brains out. It sure as fuck does not make me want to pretend to be attracted to some dude out of fear. If my options are having to have sex according to the MRM’s heirarchy or celibacy, I will choose the latter any day.

quantumscale
10 years ago

You guys are all missing the big picture here. Which is that the government should totally be providing these boys with girlfriends. And imprisoning their parents if they don’t assist in this endeavor. And that’s real.

kittehserf
10 years ago

These same guys would be screaming about the Schrodinger’s Rapist concept, yet they take it so much further. It’s not even being wary because you don’t know how a given man will act; they’re effectively saying all men have it in them to go on murder sprees if a woman they fancy says no, or simply isn’t a mind-reader. Makes you wonder how there are any humans left in the world, doesn’t it?

kittehserf
10 years ago

quantumscale AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH don’t bring him into it!!!!eleventy!

Cat
Cat
10 years ago

Is it me, or do these guys take to heart, The Screwfly Solution?

quantumscale
10 years ago

Kittehs- turns out he was trying to prevent school shootings all along. Who knew?

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
10 years ago

I feel sick. Like honestly. I’m so mad, bewildered, and grossed out right now. Every so often I think I’ve read the worst thing ever, and then the internet out-does itself.

I just tried to write a big long thing and I can’t. I tried like three times. I seriously just can’t.

Funny thing is, this doesn’t scare me into wanting to fuck more men on the verge of murder, this makes me want to never, ever, leave my place ever again. Not out of fear, just out of pure hatred and disgust.