Attention pretty high school girls! If a nerdy looking dude in your school shows up one day loaded with guns and Molotov cocktails and starts shooting up the place, it’s actually your fault, for not sleeping with him.
That, in any case, is the argument of a recent post on pickup guru Roosh V’s repulsive Return of Kings blog. In a post titled Why Did Karl Halverson Pierson Attack His School And Kill A Pretty Girl? guest blogger Billy Chubbs looks at a recent shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, throwing out the few bits of information we do have about the shooter and making up a story of his own.
On December 13 2013, Karl Halverson Pierson walked into his high school with a gun, wounded a fellow student named Claire Davis and then killed himself. The assumed motive was Karl’s anger toward a teacher at the high school but others in the mainstream media posited their own theories as to the reasons behind the shooting. The usual suspects were called out to blame: prescription drugs, mental illness, gun control, etc. … One theory that was noticeably absent from the ‘experts’ who reported on the situation, however, was Karl’s probable sexual frustration.
His proof? The fact that the girl he managed to shoot and mortally wound before killing himself was quite conventionally attractive. Chubbs posts pictures of the shooter and the girl he shot, who subsequently died:
What do you notice right away? Karl’s not a stunningly handsome dude and Claire is a smoke show. As of this writing, there’s not much information on Karl’s sexual history. It’s doubtful that Karl had a girlfriend, and it’s likely that he was a virgin.
Chubbs makes clear that even if he’s completely wrong about all this, he’s not going to let mere facts stand in the way of his theory.
By the way, if further details are released in the future which discredit my assumptions, well, ignore the Karl parts of this article obviously. Yet even if I’m wrong in my assumptions of Karl’s life, the basic gist of this article is right and does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies.
And so he moves on to state what he considers his very brave thesis:
Return Of Kings has touched on this subject before, but since the cowardly and narrow minded mainstream media refuses to even consider positing such a theory, it’s up to us ROK truth sayers to repeat ad nauseum such observations: women’s selfishness makes men kill.
And by “selfishness” Chubbs means their unwillingness to shower sex on all men.
What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.
If by “sure thing” you mean “completely wrong,” then yes. There’s no evidence to back up the oft-repeated manosphere myth that women are having sex with only a small percentage of men. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of adult men are having at least occasional sex. According to one recent survey of American sexual behavior, some 86% of men said they’d had sex in the past year; only 70% of women said the same.
In our society today, there are hundreds of thousands of young men with insatiable sex drives who are receiving little to no sex from their female peers—not even the less attractive women whom traditionally would be paired off with less attractive men.
Wait, someone on Return of Kings is suggesting that it might be acceptable for a man to date a “less attractive woman?” The sort of woman that Roosh and Return of Kings routinely ridicule, and ridicule men for dating?
Chubbs wants to have it both ways. He wants to play at being an alpha male, but he also wants the privileges of victimhood as a poor, oppressed beta. Indeed, in his bio, he describes himself, paradoxically, as a “bipolar, optimistic Alpha male who truly believes that Beta chumps like himself are doomed in today’s politically correct utopia.” Alpha or beta: which is it, dude?
In his post, he postures as an alpha even while recounting his own story of beta victimhood:
Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man. Although I get laid consistently, I have gone long stretches without any sort of sexual contact with women.
Well, that kind of sucks, dude, but, you know, welcome to life. Sometimes life sucks.
It was gruelling.
No, the Bataan Death March was gruelling. You had a dry spell. I’ve had dry spells. Everyone else I know has had dry spells. Virtually everyone in the world has dry spells. They can be really rough. But they’re not a fucking human rights violation.
My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.
OH NO YOU WERE FORCED TO MASTURBATE
NEWS FLASH: Women aren’t obligated to jump on your stick every time you get a boner.
For the vast majority of men their sex life is a central part of their character and a major part of their motivation for all aspects of their life. If men are barred from it (whether they actually are or merely feel that they are) for whatever reason, they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.
Wait, how did we get from, boo hoo I have to masturbate to, well I might as well just kill a bunch of people?
Karl wanted to have sex, and just by looking at him it’s obvious he wasn’t getting much, or any. Claire is a beautiful young woman and is doubtlessly the object of affection for many young men who know her, including lonely and sexually frustrated ones. Karl was certainly amongst them. Karl had no chance to ever be with her and he knew it. And that’s why he encountered her in his school, armed with a gun, he turned it against her.
So it’s her fault for getting shot by a dude because she didn’t fuck him?
Am I saying Claire should have known better and had sex with Karl in advance? No. Claire was for all intents and purposes (looks, status, wealth) far out of Karl’s league. Yet there’s little doubt that there were many, many women in Karl’s high school who were in his league.
Oh, so it was some other girl’s fault that Claire got shot, because this other girl didn’t fuck him.
So why wasn’t Karl at home relieving his sexual frustrations with a girlfriend on par with his looks instead of simmering in anger alone, writing typical angry teenaged political messages on his Facebook and purchasing guns? It is because the inherent selfishness of all women has been allowed to run rampant in our Western societies.
How is it selfish for women to choose who they want to have sex with? No one is obligated to have sex with anyone they don’t want to have sex with.
Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them.
What the fucking hell? What planet are you living on and how on earth, even if this were true, does this justify murder?
Also: there is no epidemic of American men “forced to remain virgins into their twenties” by evil women. Indeed, the average American male loses his virginity just shy of age 17, slightly earlier than the average American female.
And even then, the relationship is a farce. The woman has only entered it out of desperation since all the upper echelons of sexually enticing men who used to have sex with her have cast her off and she is emotionally damaged by her selfish experiences.
Really? This little narrative describes the life of precisely zero women I have ever met.
What future did Karl have to look forward to? Working a mediocre job (if he could even get one), living in a society that does not look out for him or his interests in the slightest (while often ridiculing the people like him in the media – when not actively selling out his future) and having to wait until he was twenty-five or older before being able to enter into a sexually satisfying relationship with a woman on par with his looks (who would be incapable of actually loving him by that point due to her dozens of sexual partners)?
NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WHY DO YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT IT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I DON’T EVEN
Young men like Karl – who aren’t blessed with looks, or exorbitant wealth, or the top tier social skills of the small percentage of men who are getting laid – have been left in the dust by our female-centric, uncaring societies.
IT’S NOT JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MEN WHO ARE HAVING SEX WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT ITS NOT TRUE WHY DO YOU
And society does not care until men like him pick up a gun and starts shooting.
And now we come to the blackmail portion of the rant: Sleep with us or we’ll kill you!
The assumed catalyst as to why Karl went on the rampage was that he was demoted by a teacher in charge of the debate team, and that this caused murderous frustration in him. Do you think Karl would have had so much murderous frustration if he was receiving as little as a blowjob every so often?
All he wanted was a blowjob! It is the sacred duty of every high school girl to seek out high school boys with the greatest surplus of murderous frustration and ease this frustration with sex.
So long as society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to), sexually frustrated men will continue to lash out with extreme violence.
Wait, so after demanding that women be more promiscuous, you’re berating them for being promiscuous?
Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.
The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue. Until society sits down and thinks over these problems with an unclouded mind, men will continue the shootings. More people will die just so Jane Doe can continue to ‘explore’ her sexuality until she hits the wall.
So young men should be guaranteed sex — OR ELSE THEY’LL SHOOT YOU — but young women are somehow evil for having sex with men who aren’t murderously frustrated nerds?
Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting. For many men, hundreds of thousands of them, they live in a mentally ill society. It’s a testament to either their humanity or their cowardice that more of them do not lash out like this.
And it’s a testament to your lack of humanity that you even think like this.
And yes, skidmarks would be a great thing to call the “clean underwear is MISANDRY” types. Also, ass barnacles.
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FYI, my teenager attended this very school with the shooter. He did not have a problem attracting girls. He went to Prom every year with a girl. Last year, he went as friends with a girl, but he had had girlfriends before. Sexual frustration? Well, if so, it wasn’t like there wasn’t opportunity for him. This isn’t a sexually repressed school. He wasn’t a loner, and actually he was well-liked among those who knew him. They’re now beating themselves up over what happened and how they misread him.
One of my teenager’s friends had a crush on him, which now of course the girl regrets. There was one girl that turned him down a couple years ago but she was never a target, and they remained friendly. I’m not justifying his actions, I’m just clarifying what actually happened.
I really hope that they’re not saying Claire was some sort of target of male frustration. Claire was killed because she was in front of the shooter when he approached. She wasn’t a target, a school teacher was. She and anyone who was targeted was completely undeserving of this. In any case, there’s never an excuse for shooting someone who isn’t shooting at you regardless of your motive.
This was purely a personal vendetta against a teacher by a a person who apparently didn’t get sufficient psychological help. He was actually very outgoing, but yes, weird. He was bullied because people wanted to get a reaction out of him. Unfortunately, they didn’t know he wasn’t merely weird, but truly violent.
kitteh: I read it a loooong time. I should probably pick it up again. I was obsessed with the movie when I was a kid, and the unicorn talk reminded me of it.
@Argenti
Did some googling and saw that I had read about that movie years ago when it had the title Bazaar Bizarre. I never got around to watching it, but I remember someone telling me about how uncomfortably weird it was. You description of the gruesome bits and overall WTF quality means it’s definitely the same movie.
@LookOutHesGotASquirtgun
Sparky already handled your comment nicely, but I’d like to add that I can say from personal experience that Psyche wards and psychotropic drugs aren’t deserved punishments handed out to raging assholes like the ROK crew for saying stupid, offensive things on the internet. So your joke don’t work so good. Since every aspect of Rooosh the Fifth and Co. Is endlessly mockable, stick to what’s wrong with them.
If you loved The Last Unicorn movie as a kid, don’t see it as an adult. It’s does not hold up, sadly.
I didn’t know there was a movie till now, and looked it up … no, don’t like the style. Too pretty-pretty. Makes the Pastoral Symphony section from Fantasia look like film noir.
Brooked — yeah, uncomfortably weird is a good description. Dahmer doesn’t get to me, Gacy only makes me go all clowns are creepy, Gein’s skull bowls are, uh, kinda cool…that though? That was definitely uncomfortable watching. Wasn’t even that it lacked the usual detracted manner of documentaries, cuz the movie Dahmer is…hmm…you’ll probably end up sympathizing wih Dahmer and having a case of “but it’s fucking DAHMER!!” — it’s uncomfortable in all the right ways, this was uncomfortable in all the wrong ways.
Relatedly, I’d like a skull ashtray, more legally sourced than Gein’s skulls though, not really up for hiring a resurrectionist! (Victorian for grave robber) I bet they make plastic ones…
As for the latest troll, I think trolly wasn’t going for a joke at all. I think the point, if it can be called that, was that RoK et al are so far out of touch with reality now that they’ll continue their descent into madness until [insert shit from trolly’s post here, I’m not going back to quote it]
Oh and dibs on Descent into Madness as a band name.
If it was Descent into Maddness, you could have Miss Maddie as lead singer.
Though then it’d be Ascent into Maddness, ‘cos human to cat has to be an ascent.
Turtle, thanks. Your response neatly refutes all the bullshit, and confirms my suspicions as well. The main one being that Roosh V & Co. are a bunch of bullshit-spinning projectors who will never see a news item that they can’t twist to fit their misbegotten world-view, as well as unconscionably cruel and despicable and just plain repugnant. I have no doubt that every one of the sorry ass-barnacles who comment or post on his blog will die alone and be eaten by blowflies.
And they will deserve nothing else.
Man, I spent the latter half of middle school and all of high school unhappy because I had to touch my own boner. Not once did I fantasize about shooting up my school.
Nope, crappy D&D novels and three series of Star Trek provided me all the violent and/or I’m-so-smart escapism I could want.
Even at my most miserable-misunderstood-lonely-teen-boy-angst I didn’t wank three times a day. It would have come off in my hand!
The Last Unicorn is my brother’s favorite movie, just about. The soundtrack is so very 80s, however.
…it’s gonna be a while before I can do fellatio again, thanks to this image. Well, that and some work-related memories of dog smegma.
Actually, “dog smegma” could be a good insult.
Seconding the thanks. As for the refuting, well, Chubbs included a disclaimer saying that it wouldn’t, so obviously it doesn’t, because ManLogic. These guys, I tell ya.
Yeah: “Yet even if I’m wrong in my assumptions of Karl’s life, the basic gist of this article is right.”
Even if I’m wrong I am right.
Only women can be illogical. Therefore I am not illogical.
Women, logical? HERESY! Assfax tells me NO!
This seems like a pretty good summary of what misogynists have been saying for
yearsdecadesmillenia.Oh goody, I’m not alone. I actually still really love the movie too. Cheesy ’80’s soundtrack and all 🙂
OP is so full of shit. (But it’s return of kings, what do you expect?)
I love how they assume that I can’t control my own erections, or that I am such an evil person that unless women cater to me all the goddamn time, I will commit mass murder, or that I am so low on the evolutionary scale that I can’t be considered responsible for my own actions.
Gee, it’s no wonder I’m such a fan of men’s rights! The proponents have such HIGH opinions of me. *eyeroll*
Also, not gonna lie, I never could make it through even the first chapters of the Last Unicorn, and the one time I watched the movie, I didn’t get what everyone saw in it. But then, I personally find unicorns to be the creepiest Freudian pedocreatures in the history of ever.
I admit, when I read the novel of TLU, I seem to recall there was mention of a princess reading a magazine, which threw me right out of my suspension of disbelief.
The character design on Mommy Fortuna is the most striking I have ever seen, I think.
We may have been a bit young for the movie when we first saw it because the harpy legit frightened me.
Thanks Turtle. I saw you comment on the Return of Kings blog post as well. I don’t imagine that fighting idiots on the Internet is something you’d like to do at this time. I hope you gave at least a few of them pause.
I just wanted to say that this narrative, that if men aren’t given sex they go crazy and kill people, I’ve seen before in the evo psych literature. I quoted this once a while ago but I’ll put it here again if anyone’s interested. I think it’s interesting to know where these strange ideas come from.
From The Moral Animal by Robert Wright (p. 100-101):
I saw that Mr Lemon replied to you with basically this kind of argument. Well, his version was a bit more dramatic than that 🙂 That must have seemed really strange if you hadn’t heard the argument before.
I find it a bit interesting that there are a bunch of MRAs out there who have this idea but seem to not know exactly where it came from. Is it a strange confluence? Or maybe they have all read ‘Moral Animal’? I find it a bit scary that science can be misused in this way.
ARRGGGHHHHH CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION!!!!
Observation 1) these men aren’t married
2) they commit more crimes
Conclusion — they commit more crimes because they aren’t married
Equally valid hypothesis (cuz no, just no, to drawing conclusions from observation like that) — they aren’t married because they commit more crimes
Or maybe there’s some other variable leading them to both commit more crimes and not be married!
Stop abusing research!!
Less ranty version — seconding auggz
I actually love both the book and movie Last Unicorn, but I can understand why the Suck Faery might visit for other people. It gave me one of my favorite lines about never running from anything immortal, though, and I loved all of the main characters dearly – especially Molly Grue. And the whole dynamic of the Red Bull is compelling to me, because that’s how I am structured psychologically – when I face things they are always defeatable, but when I’m avoiding them they grow in size and ferocity.
One of NOM’s countless ridiculous irrational arguments against same-sex marriage is that marriage “civilizes men.” They have an absurd YouTube video out that asks how many married men do you see running around in gangs, or something like that.
So I am very, very selfish to be a single woman. It is my fault that some unmarried man out there is running around in a gang. If you are a single man, you are prone to being an uncivilized violent gang member. That also means gay people should not get married, because . . . I have no idea.