Attention pretty high school girls! If a nerdy looking dude in your school shows up one day loaded with guns and Molotov cocktails and starts shooting up the place, it’s actually your fault, for not sleeping with him.
That, in any case, is the argument of a recent post on pickup guru Roosh V’s repulsive Return of Kings blog. In a post titled Why Did Karl Halverson Pierson Attack His School And Kill A Pretty Girl? guest blogger Billy Chubbs looks at a recent shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, throwing out the few bits of information we do have about the shooter and making up a story of his own.
On December 13 2013, Karl Halverson Pierson walked into his high school with a gun, wounded a fellow student named Claire Davis and then killed himself. The assumed motive was Karl’s anger toward a teacher at the high school but others in the mainstream media posited their own theories as to the reasons behind the shooting. The usual suspects were called out to blame: prescription drugs, mental illness, gun control, etc. … One theory that was noticeably absent from the ‘experts’ who reported on the situation, however, was Karl’s probable sexual frustration.
His proof? The fact that the girl he managed to shoot and mortally wound before killing himself was quite conventionally attractive. Chubbs posts pictures of the shooter and the girl he shot, who subsequently died:
What do you notice right away? Karl’s not a stunningly handsome dude and Claire is a smoke show. As of this writing, there’s not much information on Karl’s sexual history. It’s doubtful that Karl had a girlfriend, and it’s likely that he was a virgin.
Chubbs makes clear that even if he’s completely wrong about all this, he’s not going to let mere facts stand in the way of his theory.
By the way, if further details are released in the future which discredit my assumptions, well, ignore the Karl parts of this article obviously. Yet even if I’m wrong in my assumptions of Karl’s life, the basic gist of this article is right and does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies.
And so he moves on to state what he considers his very brave thesis:
Return Of Kings has touched on this subject before, but since the cowardly and narrow minded mainstream media refuses to even consider positing such a theory, it’s up to us ROK truth sayers to repeat ad nauseum such observations: women’s selfishness makes men kill.
And by “selfishness” Chubbs means their unwillingness to shower sex on all men.
What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.
If by “sure thing” you mean “completely wrong,” then yes. There’s no evidence to back up the oft-repeated manosphere myth that women are having sex with only a small percentage of men. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of adult men are having at least occasional sex. According to one recent survey of American sexual behavior, some 86% of men said they’d had sex in the past year; only 70% of women said the same.
In our society today, there are hundreds of thousands of young men with insatiable sex drives who are receiving little to no sex from their female peers—not even the less attractive women whom traditionally would be paired off with less attractive men.
Wait, someone on Return of Kings is suggesting that it might be acceptable for a man to date a “less attractive woman?” The sort of woman that Roosh and Return of Kings routinely ridicule, and ridicule men for dating?
Chubbs wants to have it both ways. He wants to play at being an alpha male, but he also wants the privileges of victimhood as a poor, oppressed beta. Indeed, in his bio, he describes himself, paradoxically, as a “bipolar, optimistic Alpha male who truly believes that Beta chumps like himself are doomed in today’s politically correct utopia.” Alpha or beta: which is it, dude?
In his post, he postures as an alpha even while recounting his own story of beta victimhood:
Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man. Although I get laid consistently, I have gone long stretches without any sort of sexual contact with women.
Well, that kind of sucks, dude, but, you know, welcome to life. Sometimes life sucks.
It was gruelling.
No, the Bataan Death March was gruelling. You had a dry spell. I’ve had dry spells. Everyone else I know has had dry spells. Virtually everyone in the world has dry spells. They can be really rough. But they’re not a fucking human rights violation.
My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.
OH NO YOU WERE FORCED TO MASTURBATE
NEWS FLASH: Women aren’t obligated to jump on your stick every time you get a boner.
For the vast majority of men their sex life is a central part of their character and a major part of their motivation for all aspects of their life. If men are barred from it (whether they actually are or merely feel that they are) for whatever reason, they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.
Wait, how did we get from, boo hoo I have to masturbate to, well I might as well just kill a bunch of people?
Karl wanted to have sex, and just by looking at him it’s obvious he wasn’t getting much, or any. Claire is a beautiful young woman and is doubtlessly the object of affection for many young men who know her, including lonely and sexually frustrated ones. Karl was certainly amongst them. Karl had no chance to ever be with her and he knew it. And that’s why he encountered her in his school, armed with a gun, he turned it against her.
So it’s her fault for getting shot by a dude because she didn’t fuck him?
Am I saying Claire should have known better and had sex with Karl in advance? No. Claire was for all intents and purposes (looks, status, wealth) far out of Karl’s league. Yet there’s little doubt that there were many, many women in Karl’s high school who were in his league.
Oh, so it was some other girl’s fault that Claire got shot, because this other girl didn’t fuck him.
So why wasn’t Karl at home relieving his sexual frustrations with a girlfriend on par with his looks instead of simmering in anger alone, writing typical angry teenaged political messages on his Facebook and purchasing guns? It is because the inherent selfishness of all women has been allowed to run rampant in our Western societies.
How is it selfish for women to choose who they want to have sex with? No one is obligated to have sex with anyone they don’t want to have sex with.
Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them.
What the fucking hell? What planet are you living on and how on earth, even if this were true, does this justify murder?
Also: there is no epidemic of American men “forced to remain virgins into their twenties” by evil women. Indeed, the average American male loses his virginity just shy of age 17, slightly earlier than the average American female.
And even then, the relationship is a farce. The woman has only entered it out of desperation since all the upper echelons of sexually enticing men who used to have sex with her have cast her off and she is emotionally damaged by her selfish experiences.
Really? This little narrative describes the life of precisely zero women I have ever met.
What future did Karl have to look forward to? Working a mediocre job (if he could even get one), living in a society that does not look out for him or his interests in the slightest (while often ridiculing the people like him in the media – when not actively selling out his future) and having to wait until he was twenty-five or older before being able to enter into a sexually satisfying relationship with a woman on par with his looks (who would be incapable of actually loving him by that point due to her dozens of sexual partners)?
NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WHY DO YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT IT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I DON’T EVEN
Young men like Karl – who aren’t blessed with looks, or exorbitant wealth, or the top tier social skills of the small percentage of men who are getting laid – have been left in the dust by our female-centric, uncaring societies.
IT’S NOT JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MEN WHO ARE HAVING SEX WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT ITS NOT TRUE WHY DO YOU
And society does not care until men like him pick up a gun and starts shooting.
And now we come to the blackmail portion of the rant: Sleep with us or we’ll kill you!
The assumed catalyst as to why Karl went on the rampage was that he was demoted by a teacher in charge of the debate team, and that this caused murderous frustration in him. Do you think Karl would have had so much murderous frustration if he was receiving as little as a blowjob every so often?
All he wanted was a blowjob! It is the sacred duty of every high school girl to seek out high school boys with the greatest surplus of murderous frustration and ease this frustration with sex.
So long as society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to), sexually frustrated men will continue to lash out with extreme violence.
Wait, so after demanding that women be more promiscuous, you’re berating them for being promiscuous?
Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.
The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue. Until society sits down and thinks over these problems with an unclouded mind, men will continue the shootings. More people will die just so Jane Doe can continue to ‘explore’ her sexuality until she hits the wall.
So young men should be guaranteed sex — OR ELSE THEY’LL SHOOT YOU — but young women are somehow evil for having sex with men who aren’t murderously frustrated nerds?
Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting. For many men, hundreds of thousands of them, they live in a mentally ill society. It’s a testament to either their humanity or their cowardice that more of them do not lash out like this.
And it’s a testament to your lack of humanity that you even think like this.
And cassandrasays beat me to the problems with it.
@dallasapple
[Content note: rape]
But castration will never stop rapists from raping. There are other forms of rape that aren’t stopped with castration, such as rape done with fingers, objects, etc.
I’m also not happy with the argument that they’re creepy too so it’s OK for people on our side to be. “Just as lacking in basic ethics as the people on ROK” is not a standard that anyone should be aiming for.
@dallasapple
Yeah, though it would change their hormonal balance and likely completely change their behaviors, I don’t think that would solve anything. Innocent men could be castrated, unless you’re talking about castrating folks who already went on shooting sprees, which is reactionary and kind of pointless. MRAs would probably use that as justification for FGM or any other form of violence. Much as people like the fight fire with fire idea, I don’t think it always works. Plus, the thought of castration as punishment has always made me cringe a bit. I don’t think that’s a good punishment for anyone.
First of all I wasn’t serious . 2nd of all if their claim is its testosterone then it would be a “logical” solution . Their anger/rage is supposedly testosterone driven .
If they want to use that as an excuse to murder ? And the suggestion to remedy it is women have sex or ELSE you might get murdered ?
I retort! Lower your testosterone . That makes a lot more sense to me than telling girls give out blow jobs to temper/subdue his hormonal rage .
First rule of holes is starting to apply here. Also, you know that MRAs read this page, right? If you’re going to make (creepy, tasteless) jokes then you might want to flag them clearly, unless you relish the idea of ending up on some “look at the stuff feminists say!” page.
There’s also the fact that some of us here, including me, would rather not be associated with jokes like that. Hence I’m going to keep pointing out that some of us do not endorse those kinds of comments.
I’m sorry I thought it was a I mock misogynist page. Which is what I did . Mocking is satire right ?
If the topic is murdering girls and the justification is high testosterone ? Sorry I went to lowering it .
I guess I don’t know to the extent of how far to mock.
You can mock in whatever way you please. Other people are allowed to disagree with the specific form you choose and think it’s in bad taste and generally not very funny.
They certainly don’t need me as an excuse . That goes on around the globe without me and I will not be blamed for it .
I can understand that . I appreciate your non judgmental view.
Thanks AIT.
Well, I don’t know how these buffoons would explain him (my educated guess is, they won’t even bother), but anyone with an eye can see that, though cute and popular, he was also young and impressionable, and big brother Tamerlan was the brains of that operation, so of course Dzhokhar would follow along with anything he did. Especially if glory (or at least notoriety) was the prize. And given all the jailhouse groupies he got, it looks like it paid off, even by bizarroworld PUA standards. Maybe they’d say he did it to get chicks, even if they were just 72 virgins in heaven? I wouldn’t put THAT past them.
“Evil hypergamous bitches drove him mental by not even talking to him! Poor bastard had to pay just to talk!” Simple, no?
I wonder how the fact that some guys pay sex workers just to talk to them, or for other non-sex intimacy, fits into the PUA worldview? They do sometimes hint at some sort of awareness that straight men want things other than sex from women.
If I could talk in private with ya’ll maybe you would understand me better .Its very personal to me its not only ridiculously absurd /hilarious. I have lived in an obscenely misogynist world. I’m sure some of you have too . Maybe I’m just more sensitive to “I have a high drive that if you don’t satisfy you will make me murder you .”
So I apologize if I broke the rules.
Wow, all those guys at my high school who wouldn’t have sex with me, and I STILL didn’t shoot anyone. I’m just a statistical anomaly, apparently.
Its called the “girlfriend experience” (I think )
I’ve lived in Saudi Arabia. I get being angry about misogyny. I just don’t think castration jokes are the way to go in terms of fighting back. Like I said earlier, you can say pretty much whatever you want here, there are very few things that will prompt mod intervention, but other people are allowed to respond with “I don’t like that/it creeps me out/let it be known that I do not second this opinion”.
We’re not always going to agree with each other.
I read the comments on that link. Apart from the usual racism, slut shaming and misogyny, mentally ill people give off a pheromone that people can smell?
Of course . True friends never do .That’s called ass kissing . I’m not a fan of it .
File under “things that misogynists don’t understand – the pheromone edition”.
The list of things they do understand would fit on a Post-It – not a regular size one, one of the mini rectangular ones you use to mark pages in a book.
How about the back of a torn in half receipt from the gas station ?
Paying a prostitute for a semblance of attraction, even if it’s just an illusion, does strike me as odd. On the one hand, they have to know that she’s not really attracted, and that if not for a wad of cash, she might not even give them the time of day. If they had to try to pick her up in a bar, paying for nothing but a drink or two, they’d very likely strike out, even if they at least got to talk to her for a bit. On the other hand…is it the purchased guarantee that she’ll hang around and feign interest for an hour or so that does it? It speaks to a controlling impulse which sits ill in an area where nothing’s guaranteed or controlled, be it attraction, or desire, or just a willingness to politely listen to some stranger droning on and on.
I’d say that this kind of transaction, though non-sexual, is still just as controlling as the act of paying for sex. These guys want to be in charge of something, or someone, and are willing to pay for that. They could just as easily spend the same amount of cash (or less) on a therapist, but then the illusion of power would not be there. The therapist would be in control, and would make them work to change and improve themselves, rather than just sit passively and listen to their ramblings. So there’s no eroticized charge of being in control of the interaction.
And worse, there’s the realization that they have to change. Therapy might do them more good in the long run, and cost them less too, but the idea of being in control of everything, with traditional gender roles intact, even if only for an hour in a fleabag motel, is more immediately seductive. Even though it helps nothing, and may actually only stunt them further in real-world terms. The idea of being able to pay for what they want, but not expend effort to better themselves, is what makes this scenario so “empowering” for them.
TL;DR: It’s the power, not the sex. AGAIN.
Correction “would not ” . not “might not “
A lot of PUAs seem to see any sort of prostitution as disempowering for the client, though, because it doesn’t prove their alpha manly dominance in the same way as forcing or manipulating a woman into sex does. They know that the sex worker is only there because she’s being paid to be, and that seems to ruin it because it kills the power fantasy, at least for some of them.
Paying them (the girls) truly entitles them.
New year, same old blockquote monster. 😛