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Men Rights Activist: Don't expect activism from us, because "someone has to keep this society running and it damn sure ain't going to be the ladies."

MRA doing a large amount of advocacy in a comment section
MRA doing a large amount of advocacy in a comment section

So someone went to the Men’s Rights subreddit the other day to ask the assembled Men’s Rights Activists a simple question: what sort of activism do you folks do? Specifically, the visitor asked, “Do MRAs have marches or campaigns or fundraisers?”

The post didn’t get much attention, but the answers that “Chickenjuggle” got were pretty, well, instructive.

Some Men’s Rights Redditors pointed to the astounding successes of the events organized by A Voice for Men, which have drawn literally dozens of people from around the globe — that is, more people than you are likely to see waiting for a bus (except during rush hour).

Others tried to claim credit for, among other things, Movember, a month-long prostate cancer awareness campaign that most MRAs have no more connection with than I do, and for the work of various Fathers Rights organizations that MRAs, by and large, have nothing to do with.

A few pointed to fundraisers that A Voice for Men has held … for itself. (Yes, if “fundraising” is redefined to mean “sending a lot of money to Paul Elam, without knowing what exactly he even does with it,” then, yes, MRAs are pretty active fundraisers.)

And the rest mostly offered excuses.

LAMFF explained that most men have a hard time fitting activism into their busy schedule of HUNTING THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU:

LAMFF 3 points 1 day ago (8|5)  Most MRA's are too busy working to march. Someone has to keep this society running and it damn sure ain't going to be the ladies.

Others darkly intimated that it was much too dangerous for them to actually get up off of their asses and march, as they might risk their balls, or at least their jobs, and possibly even their spot on the couch. (I added that last bit; it seems like it would be important to them.)

ThePigmanAgain 5 points 1 day ago (10|5)  "Do MRAS have marches...?"  No, mostly because MRAs have an aversion to being shot in the balls by the Stormtroopers of the Plutocracy.
Ianafiafe 15 points 1 day ago (21|6)  No because there are serious risks of losing jobs/pets etc. for MRAs who march.  Once the movement becomes mature and can withstand things like that there will be.

As is well-known, no other activists in the history of the world have ever put themselves willingly at risk for their ideals.

Unkleman sniffed that those silly marches were probably sour, anyway:

unkleman 1 point 1 day ago (3|2)  MRA's are more about awareness in a hostile media than feelgoodisms or PR actions. The distinction lies in that men do not need to qualify themselves for equality, once the general populace is aware, people will be inclined towards fairness. It is false propaganda and straight out lies we need to combat with false facts that have been too long unchallenged.

That bit at the end about “false facts” is an interesting slip, huh?

TRPACC, meanwhile, insisted that sitting on your ass posting comments on the internet was, in fact, activism of the highest order:

TRPACC 1 point 1 day ago (4|3)  AVfM, CAFE and F4J are the most active in those regards, individual mra's have been doing a large amount of advocacy in comments sections of the mainstream media for years.  AVfM is currently trying to raise 20k and is going to expand.
In other words, this video from SomeGreyBloke turns out not to be a parody after all, but a dead-on accurate portrayal:

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OccupyMedic
OccupyMedic
6 years ago

But… Wait…. Watching internet porn while masturbating & swearing a blue streak about feminazis ISN’T activism? Who knew?

Angela Jones-Parker
Angela Jones-Parker
6 years ago

Actual activism would require work. Pissing and moaning “bitch did me wrong” stories is much more satisfying for some of these guys.

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

WHEN I saw that ‘parody” about 2 year ago ?(the gray man) I fell over laughing because how TRUE it is !

I had been asking all these men over and over after their complaints …so what are you DOING about it ? CRICKETS chirping .Their main goal seemed to be to get “feminist’ to “admit” acknowledge its real and for THEM to do something about “it” .But in general for “feminist” to admit they are NOT about equality .

Activism for them is complaining about WOMEN(what they call feminist) .NOT “men’s issues.” The few they can pull up like prostate cancer all they do is complain about why WOMEN (feminist) aren’t having marathons for that like they do breast cancer.

They virtually IGNORE prison rape . Why ? Because that is not a CRIME against men by women.

The only legitimate “activists” I have seen are separate groups ACTIVE in reform in the courts as to fathers rights which I vocally support.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
6 years ago

I prefer the much more accurate term “Reactionary Keyboard Warriors” to such misleading phrases as “Men’s Rights Activist”.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

No because there are serious risks of losing jobs/pets etc

Yep, MRAs, once they know who you are, the feminists are going to take your pets away from you. /rollseyes

robinhardwick
6 years ago

Activism would require, you know, physically being active.

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

No because there are serious risks of losing jobs/pets etc. for MRAs who march.

THEY MAY TAKE OUR PETS, BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM! BUT THEY MAY TAKE OUR PETS (somehow.) SO…NEVER MIND.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Interesting. So women who (to cite one example) wanted the vote were willing not only to march, but to risk imprisonment, to endure hunger strikes (and the response, which was often to be imprisoned in a psychiatric hospital, bound and force-fed) and to endure repeated violence in order to stand up for what they believed in. Men and women of color throughout the US south, midwest and southwest were willing to face dogs and fire hoses, beatings, bombings, rapes and executions, to secure their right to vote, to a decent wage, to their lives and ancestral lands, to safety in their workplaces?

But MRAs are content to leave snarky comments on blogs and news articles?

Oh, and to flood college health centers with anonymous false rape allegations, can’t forget that one!!

Ah, yes. Their heroic courage knows no bounds.

pecunium
6 years ago

titanblue: When they end up in the FeministGulag, living the days of Ivan Denisovich, there pets will suffer. They’d fight for men in the streets, if they weren’t being so selfless.

pecunium
6 years ago

Here I am, doing some activism against the evils of stereotypical social restrictions on male behavior: post about spinning yarn: with bonus video.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Given their views on the training of dogs, I suspect we should be taking their pets away from them …

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

[–]LAMFF 2 points 1 day ago
Most MRA’s are too busy working to march. Someone has to keep this society running and it damn sure ain’t going to be the ladies.

But you have plenty of time to bitch on the internet it seems .Please don’t tell me you can’t take a day off to march ?

Buy the way “ladies ” were working their fingers to the bone in low paying lobs and in the home when they marched among other things to guarantee their rights. “Ladies” still work . So did black people . They marched . They got hosed down /arrested /beaten .

Are you trying to say women and black people got paid vacation to be active ?

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Their main goal seemed to be to get “feminist’ to “admit” acknowledge its real and for THEM to do something about “it” .But in general for “feminist” to admit they are NOT about equality.

I find this one really frustrating. I’ve had some discussions with folks who are MRA-adjacent (interested in the causes MRAs tend to give lip service to, but not yet so steeped with misogyny) and we always keep coming down to them trying to get me to admit that men’s problems are just as worthy as those facing women. Which I have no problem doing, really. Rape or violence against men is no less horrific and no more acceptable than that against women.

But then we hit the impasse:

“Okay, so we agree. What are you feminists going to do about it?”

“Um, I have my own issues to deal with. You organize a march and I’ll show up in solidarity, but I’m not gonna do it for you, dude.”

“SEE!!! Feminists don’t care about issues that face men!!!!!”

Sigh…

CassandraSays
6 years ago

I wonder if they realize that comments like the one about the stormtroopers of the plutocracy read like complete gibberish to anyone who’s not already part of their little online lady-hating club.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Ah., yes, BB gun, the oppressor’s weapon of choice. And not at all likely to be a child’s or teenager’s.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

Activism means that you never risk your ass doing anything ever. I mean, the Freedom Summer activists were just sitting at home writing letters to the editor whining for voting rights for blacks, and the First Wave feminists simply waved their fans and wished to have the right to vote, right???

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Tulgey — it’s almost double speak — say you’re against men’s rights activists and it sounds like you’re against men’s rights.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
6 years ago

So their activism is hands-on! Hands on keyboard, hands on mouse, hands on phones to harass the latest target.

Reminds me of people talking about the onerous influence of breast cancer charities. When asked why they don’t go out and help with one they sputter and talk about how pointless it is.

@davefutrelle I love the reference to real activism.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

I also appreciate MRAs “keeping society running” for all of us. I mean, I’m not sure how that works or what it is that they are doing that is so indispensable but obviously if they stopped doing it, even for a day, I’m sure society would crumble like stale Christmas cake. All society, everywhere.

cloudiah
6 years ago

So I got into a little argument a few months ago on r/mr with one of the misters, where I listed all the things I’ve done politically over the years where men were the equal or even primary beneficiaries, and then challenged him to describe what he had done. (I know, it’s not really a fair argument, but sometimes I fight dirty.) He said his primary contribution to helping men was through “being a man on the internet.” I wasn’t sure whether I should laugh or cry.

Today he posted something that made it clear that he now volunteers at a homeless shelter, and he encouraged all the misters to do the same. Now, I can’t take credit for him doing something AFK (if he really is), but I like to think I at least gave him a little nudge.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

titianblue – But don’t you know that men are Randian MRA heros who hold up society for the leechers and moochers wimmens?

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

heroes*

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

But then we hit the impasse:

“Okay, so we agree. What are you feminists going to do about it?”

“Um, I have my own issues to deal with. You organize a march and I’ll show up in solidarity, but I’m not gonna do it for you, dude.”

“SEE!!! Feminists don’t care about issues that face men!!!!!”

Sigh…

EXACTLY what I have experienced . Then they say you are “marginalizing ” or “dismissing’ their issues!

Do they have a mommy issue or what ? Then to turn around and say its because they are working and that’s why women need to do it FOR THEM?

Whats more apparent besides them not wanting to lift a finger besides typing on the manosphere hoe pissed they are . Is they tend to avoid any issue “men” might suffer that does not have a parallell to a woman’s issue or male on male crimes. Example sexual crimes against women . Their parrallell is “false rape charges by women against men ” NOT sexual crimes against men . Besides the new ‘women rape men too.” Get the point.l

One guy had to nerve to want to make a “men’s issue’ child abuse against men BY women. I could see that if there was a higher instance like an epidemic. But child abuse is child abuse and their is no “special cause” for little boys being abused above little girls by either gender .

My point is why would you have a “special” campaign (a march,public awareness) about specifically boys being abused by specifically women ? And I mean mothers,grandmothers,baby sitters and not sexual just abuse.

What would we do ? Organize a march to announce “women /mothers /grandmothers abuse boys !” Should we have a public safety announcement “beware some mothers abuse boys as well as girls ?”

I’m saying I think they are COVERED in child abuse prevention already . They a’rent “excluded.”

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

I am also pleased to hear that “this” society is being maintained by MRAs, as ladies like me are too childlike to do anything 🙁

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

I also appreciate MRAs “keeping society running” for all of us. I mean, I’m not sure how that works or what it is that they are doing that is so indispensable but obviously if they stopped doing it, even for a day, I’m sure society would crumble like stale Christmas cake. All society, everywhere.

They apparently think “male ” makes the world go round . Females are optional. I wonder who raised his ass while his daddy kept society going ? Or did his mom work too .Id’e be curious to know.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

I also appreciate MRAs “keeping society running” for all of us. I mean, I’m not sure how that works or what it is that they are doing that is so indispensable but obviously if they stopped doing it, even for a day, I’m sure society would crumble like stale Christmas cake. All society, everywhere.

Well, when they aren’t tiptappting away at their keyboards, they spin on their office chairs, and that rotational motion keeps the earth spinning on its axis, donchaknow? If they weren’t out there manfully ‘manning’ those chairs in front of the keyboard, the world would literally cease to turn and one side would freeze while the other side burned to a blackened crisp.

That, or the fact that they keep Coke and Frito-Lay from going out of business and taking the global economy down with them.

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

Seriously this is it . Its not even a joke anymore .Just listen to this . This is the oppression and the hate crime against ‘men” by the feminist. I have witnessed it for about 6 years.Before I even heard to the MRA.

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

Well, when they aren’t tiptappting away at their keyboards, they spin on their office chairs, and that rotational motion keeps the earth spinning on its axis, donchaknow?

No..I disagree . that’s “multi tasking” . That;s what women are good at .(hard wired by God )

Men have to focus on one thing at once because that’s how men are . “Compartments” women are “spaghetti”

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

No..I disagree . that’s “multi tasking” . That;s what women are good at .(hard wired by God )

Men have to focus on one thing at once because that’s how men are . “Compartments” women are “spaghetti”

Is this a joke I’m just not getting or are you making a serious statement of gender essentialist bullshit here?

Ashley
6 years ago

In other words, they mainly just whine online about the world they wished they lived in where they are valuable kings of society and women are kept as pets.

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

Is this a joke I’m just not getting or are you making a serious statement of gender essentialist bullshit here?

I’m being a smart ass. (sarcastic) this is what I have heard 500 + times at least .

I don’t believe it as far as I can throw my stainless steel fridge into my bedroom across the house with my treats in it .

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

In other words, they mainly just whine online about the world they wished they lived in where they are valuable kings of society and women are kept as pets.

I think so . Pretty much.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

I’m being a smart ass.

Got it! My subtlety detector is on the fritz at the moment!

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

Can anyone actually show me *any* statistics that show a court bias against men in custody cases? Real, actual statistics? Because any that I’ve seen show the opposite…that 70% of men who pursue custody get it. I would really like to put that myth to bed.

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

Got it! My subtlety detector is on the fritz at the moment!

Happens to the best of us !

katz
6 years ago

Oh yeah? Well, I have been industriously reading stuff on Wikipedia. So there.

dallasapple
dallasapple
6 years ago

Can anyone actually show me *any* statistics that show a court bias against men in custody cases? Real, actual statistics? Because any that I’ve seen show the opposite…that 70% of men who pursue custody get it. I would really like to put that myth to bed.

I’ll try and stir up some for you . But one interesting note only about 10 % of divorces end up in a custody dispute. They are normally agreed upon with no ‘battle” (separate custody dispute.)

IOW a custody “battle ” is far from the norm.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

“But one interesting note only about 10 % of divorces end up in a custody dispute.”

My stats show 5%.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

But that’s where we get the myth…because so few fathers fight for custoidy, few fathers have custody. It has *nothing* to do with court bias. It is because men overwhelmingly choose to not have custody.

Caitlin
6 years ago

OMG I cannot stop laughing at the idea that these guys legit think that commenting on news sites and in MRA online groups constitutes activism. My job used to involve moderating comments on a news site and we dealt with guys like this all the time, posting comments at all hours of the day and night as if anyone gave a fuck what Jimbo696969 thinks about anything. The idea that some of them might have thought they were actually making a difference in the world with their barely coherent rage-spew is just too hilarious for words.

vaiyt
6 years ago

You don’t understand. Men are running society, and MRAs not only speak for all men, they also get credit for anything important other men do (without any of the responsibility).

pecunium
6 years ago

Caitlin: To be fair, there is something to be said for “fighting the good fight” in comments. the trick is to 1: be fighting a good fight. 2: Write well. 3: Remember the job is to persuade the greater majority who don’t comment.

Realising we and they will never agree about 1, I think it safe to say they fail at 2 and 3.

kittehserf
6 years ago

“Serious risks of losing jobs/pets etc for MRAs who march”

Pets? Pets?

Like any of these asswipes has the competence or care for anyone else to have a pet.

As for keeping society running … yeah, dude, does your job involve helping keep people alive? Mine does.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

“False facts” is the best and truest thing they’ve ever said. Meanwhile, those of us not in reactionary lalaland call those “lies.”

wordsp1nner
6 years ago

I mean, if DKM had a pet (which he never mentioned, so I hope he doesn’t) I’d worry about it, but in general, I don’t think that feminists care if MRAs have a pet. I mean, if they can treat the pets well…

In other news, I just got back from my parents’ house, and both my cats are cuddling with me. Jade is sucked up against my side and Pan is flopped out over her with his chin on my arm. Hot cross kittens.

katz
6 years ago

I cannot tell a lie: My five kitties are all stolen from uppity menfolk.

wordsp1nner
6 years ago

Are my Dad’s kitties in danger? I mean, he does live with two women, and the cats both prefer one of the women (my mom or my sister, though one is not actually particularly picky). Is that enough to save his kitties from the gynospiracy?

Or what about my uncle’s? He’s a widower, and I think he had some of his cats before is wife died. Does that count?

CassandraSays
6 years ago

I’m mentally designing a uniform for the Feminist Pet-Confiscating Police. I feel like rank should be indicated by number of tiny cupcakes on the lapel.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

And of course, the FemPet Confiscation Brigade will neuter all male cats but not spay the female cats because MISANDRY!!

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