As the worms turn: Men's Rights subreddit mod now defends spamming Occidental College with false rape reports

MordsithJ – Nope. Congratulations, you have had the honors to Goodwin this thread! 😛

Nitram – that’s why I specified lurkers, ie. people who’ve read posts here. Gods, there have been so many threads lately where we’re having to say this thing over and over again, that anyone reading them and delurking now doesn’t have that much of an excuse. Coming in commenting straight off, that’s a different thing, indeed; I too only learned about ableist language from reading this site.

Ally – I agree with Robert on this: it doesn’t strike me as insulting to people who’ve escaped cults to say the MRM shows the same traits as their abusers. If anything I’d say it’s an indication of how toxic the MRM is. However I haven’t been through such horrible shit so my outsider’s perspective may be a case of Kidney Logic.

Hey folks, just chiming in on the ableism thing.

I hate pulling people up on their language because it does feel mean, but I really don’t know what else to do. If people find being asked to stop it offensive or feel it’s over the top, read a few old threads. There are plenty of people who have explained why ableist language upsets them.

I think, sometimes, being a morally conscious person means we tend to think we are incapable of causing offence. We want to say, “but I would never say anything bad, I’m somebody who cares about these things.”
But that also means we stop reflecting and start defending what we do. It’s okay to be wrong, it’s the way we react to being in the wrong that is the problem. (I know this from fucking up, A LOT!)

I remember a little while ago getting upset on a thread because somebody said something like “MRAs are crazy and as a result have no sense or decency”. That night I was struggling with my OCD and thought “This is great, I have to do everything 15 fucking times and apparently I’m also stupid and immoral, that’s just fucking awesome.” (Everyone else was lovely by the way, really got me through that night.)

To be honest it’s not just the offence caused, it’s also just bloody boring. I love Man Boobz because everybody here is witty and interesting, but the last few weeks there’s been an influx of “they’s crazy” and that is just dull.

MRAs are manure for the funnies, “Misogyny. I mock it!” is part of the reason I’m here, that and the cat (and baby fish) videos of course.

(Hoping this makes sense, having to read it through fifteen times at four in the morning makes it blur somewhat.)

Also, I wasn’t commenting at the time, but Cloudiah, the last few days you posted some great links and videos (the one with the radio guy destroying the MRA) thank you, interesting and bloody hilarious!

I’m off to bed, nighty night folks.

I think the supposed badness of the form is an excuse, honestly. They just object to any cultural efforts to reduce the incidence of rape, and if you add the idea that rapists might get a stern talking to then they’re guaranteed to go into full frothing mode.

(Also, just be extra careful about how you phrase stuff in general around here, lest you risk giving out the wrong impression. Just some friendly advice for you. =) )

I’m going to disagree with you a little bit. I used to hang out a lot in a forum that was heavily moderated, and I had to be VERY careful when I commented there, and I fully expected to be chastised, often quite rudely, if I stepped out of bounds. I was careful there.

Here, I’m not careful, I’m thoughtful. I’ve started to pay attention to my use of ableist slurs, not because I’m More PC Than Thou, but now I know people here, and care about them, and I don’t want to hurt anyone through verbal laziness, or casual cruelty.

I’m not perfect, and I’ve fucked up and said hurtful and sometimes plain stupid things here, and I’ve been called out on them.

So I think it’s not about being extra careful how you phrase stuff, so much as pay attention when people call out what you’re saying, and be open to changing to a more compassionate and kind vernacular. Especially, don’t double-down on being an asshole. The people here are very forgiving of ignorance and errors when displayed by people who show good faith. Show good faith.

/end sermon.

“Be very careful what you say” also implies that you have no intention of changing the underlying attitudes that lead to saying offensive things, you’re just going to refrain from saying them so nobody will tell you off.

::climbs out of bed::

Hey Kitteh, sorry for drive by posting, OCD is being a wanker tonight and I’ve convinced myself everything I write is wrong. Same old, same old.
Also, it’s bloody tedious reading your own comment fifteen times, wish I was funnier.

Love to Louis x

my pharm student in zir alicorn costume…

I think I strongly approve of your pharm student.

Totally off topic, but…

It’s Mr M’s and my wedding anniversary today. Twenty years together, Eleven years married, and we still can’t stop kissing and holding hands, not bad.

Looking at seventeen year olds now I realise how young we were when we got together!

Anyway, completely irrelevant to everyone else, but it makes me happy so I wanted to share.

🙂 🙂 🙂

Apparently he didn’t read the WhiteThrone comment that said “Get a list of every ‘feminist’ at Occidental College”.

Some may have been trying to show the brokenness of the system by naming people who would presume themselves to be innocent, but I’d bet next year’s pay that some of them were doing it for intimidation or revenge, because MRAs.

And yes people, I happen to think that the MRM has the hallmarks of a cult much like the Ayn Randroids are a cult.

Some of the specific MRM sites/groups may be, but the movement as a whole doesn’t have some of the key indicators, like a central charismatic leader or the ability to socially isolate members. It’s kinda like how some AA groups can be cults, but not AA as a whole – though both movements may have aspects about them that encourage cultishness.

With apologies to the regulars who’ve heard this speech before, I think the MRM has more in common with conspiracy thinking. Some force in the world (feminism, the NWO, reptilian aliens) has amassed unthinkable power and has implemented or intends to implement some dastardly plan (Agenda 21, fluoridated water, FEMA camps, female sexual liberation) in order to oppress the innocent (Americans, men, gun owners), and for some reason only these brave few truthseekers are able to see through the web of lies and speak the truth. Once you hear someone say they wouldn’t put it past Teh Feminists to change Google’s search algorithm to hide the truth about female-on-male violence, it’s hard to see them as anything but particularly misogynistic tinhats.

@opheliamonarch

Happy anniversary!