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Roosh V's Return of Kings blog offers sex tips inspired by prison rape

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So a fellow over at Roosh Valizadeh’s Return of Kings blog has come up with a new way for men to “dominate” the women in their lives. And it’s inspired by … prison rape.

Let’s let him explain. The RoK writer who calls himself raywolf was allegedly hanging out with an alleged old friend of his who’d allegedly just gotten out of prison after 20 years for his part in an armed robbery in which a security guard was killed.

His friend “Jake” was apparently a bit taken aback by the changes that have taken place over the last several decades. Surprised by the ubiquity of tattoos amongst the general population, and by what he saw as a lot of “masculinized” women out there, he concluded that life outside of prison these days is a lot like life inside prison.

And this brings us to the prison rape. Or, as Jake prefers to call it, eliding entirely the issue of consent, sodomy:

He explained to me that one of the ways in jail that guys dominate each other and push someone into submission is with the use of sodomy. … there was a hierarchy established in some groups in the prison, through the use of having a bitch, especially amongst lifers. It’s not just a sexual thing, or gay – it’s a question of creating loyalty and having someone to cover your back and run errands and favors for you.

So at this point a light bulb apparently went off in Jake’s head and he thought:

“The answer is to fuck your bird in the ass, then she’ll be your bitch.”

It seems to me we’re missing something here, and that something is consent. Some people like butt stuff; some people don’t. The ass isn’t a battleground, or at least it shouldn’t be. If the, “bird” in question enjoys anal sex and agrees to it, you’re not actually “making her your bitch.” You’re simply having a particular kind of sex with her — and one that actually requires a grat deal of trust and patience in order to be pleasurable for both partners. If she doesn’t enjoy it and says no, you’re RAPING HER.

But let’s hear the rest of his, er, argument:

In times gone by, women were submissive to the male in large part due to the sexual act. The emotional response to having another human being penetrate your body and deposit their genetic fluids inside it is not to be overlooked in terms of establishing a power structure. I can hear the feminists howling rape as I write this, but it’s not entirely the case.

Well, it’s true that rape — and not just anal rape — has been used to terrorize women (and some men) into submission. But sex is sex and rape is rape, and it’s raywolf and Jake, not feminists, who seem to have trouble telling the two apart.

While women are hardwired to be submissive to their man, the internet is on fire with married men complaining about how aggressive, cold, demanding and so forth their wives have become. Clearly the power structure has collapsed.

Ah, now we get to the real complaint: women aren’t doing what we want them to do.

Naturally, raywolf tries to pretend that this makes women miserable too:

Women are not happy either—they are crashing about in men’s lives and bouncing from one divorce to the next.

So what does this have to do with butt stuff?

Vaginal sex is now seen as nothing more than a pleasurable pastime for women. It no longer carries the weight it once did. …

Whereas before a woman having sex with a man meant to some degree she had given herself away to that man, that she was now under his umbrella, today it is virtually meaningless—just a quick mutual genital massage.

Well, it can be. But PIV sex can still be and often is emotionally meaningful; it doesn’t cease to be that just because it no longer means that the dude with the penis gets to boss the woman around afterwards. Raywolf is confusing “meaningful” with “good for dudes like me.”

Enter the butt:

Sodomy on the other hand is still an act that has not been entirely pushed into the realm of indifference like regular sex has. You can most certainly find girls that are anal virgins.

There is a bit of truth here: anal sex does carry connotations (for many people at least) that vaginal sex doesn’t. It’s still seen as dirty, as taboo, and possibly even as vaguely humiliating for the receiver. For some people, that makes it a no-no; for others, that’s part of its appeal.

Raywolf then tells the story of an ex-girlfriend of his who

had got curious about anal sex from watching porn. She started asking to try it. … We freely had anal sex for many months, until we both passed over it as a ‘phase’. For that year, the relationship was amazing. She was  literally my bitch. She did what she was told.

Now, there’s just one little difference between this and prison “sex.” It didn’t take place in an atmosphere of coercion and physical threat. It took place because Raywolf’s girlfriend has decided to explore her sexuality. She’s the one who asked to do it. In other words, it was sex, not rape. How this equates to him “dominating” her or making her his “bitch” I have no idea.

Raywolf offers up his own crackpot theory to explain why butt sex makes those getting penetrated submissive:

I was trying to think into why this might be and you can laugh at my theory, but the connection of the rectum to the digestive system which is in many ways the emotional brain of the human machine is clear and present.

Well, it’s true that we can have “gut feelings” about things but, I’m pretty sure the emotional brain of the human machine is still … the brain.

If you look at the intestines they look a lot like the curls of the brain.

Oh. So things that look the same ARE the same? Is spaghetti the brains of Italian food?

Being stressed or nervous can literally shut down your digestion, make you throw up or lose your appetite. It’s an emotional group of organs. The kidneys and lungs for example are a more logical organ, they just process all day long.

After this bit of crackpottery, raywolf returns us to prison:

When a man is sodomised in jail, it’s not just the stigma or the act itself. As Jake explained – another male has taken control, and possessed his emotional state, both physically and psychologically, he therefore becomes submissive, at least until he’s been nailed by 20 different guys, then the whole thing becomes as much of a moot point as the vagina does these days.

There are many reasons why a male rape victim in prison might “become submissive” towards the man who raped him. One reason? Since he’s unlikely to be able to avoid his rapist, he may wish to avoid future rapes at the hands of the same man, or at least to mitigate the violence of these rapes. Or he might count on his rapist to protect him from being raped by others.

But to raywolf, after enough raping — sorry, sodomy — he ultimately becomes the one with power:

He gets bitchy after a while, now he’s got value, something others want. But his first has a huge hold.

In conclusion, raywolf argues:

It’s a theory for you to consider and experiment with. I noticed both my previous relationships got out of hand a few months after we stopped doing anal. If you want to hang on to her, try doing her in the ass a few times a month. Make her submit to you. It might make her settle down and lose some of the entitled attitude.

It’s remarkable just how readily these guys equate sex with themselves as a kind of punishment for any woman unlucky enough to find themselves in bed with them.

For raywolf, the actual sex seems to be almost beside the point. His real aim is to knock “entitled” women down a peg or two.

Just as he has elided the issue of consent when it comes to the person being penetrated — whether girlfriend or cellmate — raywolf has also elided the issue of pleasure, when it comes to the one doing the penetrating. Believe it or not, but some dudes don’t actually enjoy fucking other people in the butt.

But no matter: Raywolf, like Roosh himself, seems far more interested in taking out his aggressions and resentments on women than he does in actually enjoying sex.

NOTE: If you are concerned about prison rape, I’d suggest you check out the organization Just Detention International, which advocates for victims of rape and other forms of sexual abuse in jails and prisons.

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MordsithJ
7 years ago

Enter the butt

I saw what you did there.

feintone
7 years ago

“(It’s remarkable just how readily these guys equate sex with themselves as a kind of punishment for any woman unlucky enough to find themselves in bed with them.”)

to be fair David, I’m sure even being a casual acquaintance of one of these guys would be punishment enough.

Ally S
7 years ago

This is the most horrific thing I have read in months. Fucking disgusting.

AIT
AIT
7 years ago

I love how they go on about knocking down the ‘entitled woman’, when they’re really trying to justify an entitlement to rape women. I do not wish rape upon Roosh or anyone, but I wonder if he would uphold this same position were he to end up on the receiving end of this style of ‘sodomy’.

feintone
7 years ago

I say again, why do these guys not just hire prostitutes? especially this guy, considering he can negotiate a price for anal.

MordsithJ
7 years ago

On a more serious note, I’m waiting for the howls of outrage that will surely be coming from MRA’s over this trivialization of male-on-male prison rape.

Waiting.

feintone
7 years ago

AIT@ I think the main reason these guys never really think about consent is that consent is a result of thought, and they cannot compute the idea of women being thinking individuals (except the ones they moan about and call feminazi’s)

kittehserf
7 years ago

Being stressed or nervous can literally shut down your digestion, make you throw up or lose your appetite. It’s an emotional group of organs. The kidneys and lungs for example are a more logical organ, they just process all day long.

Well, isn’t that a priceless bit of stupid (I know, I know, just one among many). The digestive system isn’t emotional, it’s affected by the sympathetic nervous system and adrenaline.

Also, tell an asthmatic their lungs just function all day long.

But yeah, raywolf’s just another clickbait loser for Rapey Roosh. They might avoid the word but it’s all about rape and control for them.

kittehserf
7 years ago

I do not wish rape upon Roosh or anyone, but I wonder if he would uphold this same position were he to end up on the receiving end of this style of ‘sodomy’.

Probably not, because they are MANLY MENZ and thus it’s all wrong for anyone to commit a crime against them. They don’t give a shit about anyone else, and actively want women to be raped; I very much doubt they’d suddenly start seeing us as humans just because they’d been raped.

MaudeLL
7 years ago

While women are hardwired to be submissive to their man, the internet is on fire with married men complaining about how aggressive, cold, demanding and so forth their wives have become.

Ah, the good old ‘women are hardwired to do something, but they do the opposite’ argument. Makes perfect sense. It must have been processed by his logical kidneys.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

Wait. So my submission switches are in my butthole?

*hands instinctively cover butthole*

Nu uh. Nope. Not getting near there, nope.

kittehserf
7 years ago

It must have been processed by his logical kidneys.

Oh thank you madame, I just splorked my tuna sandwich everywhere.

rjjspesh
7 years ago

“It’s remarkable just how readily these guys equate sex with themselves as a kind of punishment for any woman unlucky enough to find themselves in bed with them”

THIS

Also- did I make first comment?? Quick quick… post!

rjjspesh
7 years ago

Unbelievable. When I got here there were no comments 🙂 I’ve been beaten by *thirteen people* in the time it took me to read the post.

MordsithJ
7 years ago

I’ve had my gall bladder removed. Does that explain my lack of emotion?

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

The kidneys and lungs for example are a more logical organ, they just process all day long.

Does that mean that if I eat kidney pies for the rest of my life I’d become the most logical person in the whole world?

Ally S
7 years ago

I say again, why do these guys not just hire prostitutes? especially this guy, considering he can negotiate a price for anal.

I hope he never touches any human being, prostitute or not.

acrannymint
7 years ago

These guys are living proof of what happens when cuts are made to mental health spending. This is so appalling to me.

rjjspesh
7 years ago

Mordsithj: On a more serious note, I’m waiting for the howls of outrage that will surely be coming from MRA’s over this trivialization of male-on-male prison rape.

Justified howls of outrage, I’d say. This is something MRAs should care about

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

acrannymint – Can we not imply that MRAs are mentally ill? They’re bloody fuckwits, but that doesn’t make them mentally ill.

Salacious
7 years ago

“I hope he never touches any human being, prostitute or not”

Agreed, prostitutes are people too.

“Vaginal sex is now seen as nothing more than a pleasurable pastime for women. It no longer carries the weight it once did. …”

THE HORROR!!!! Women like sex!?!?!? What is the world coming to?

feintone
7 years ago

@ally s obviously I would hate for anyone, prostitute or otherwise, to have to spend the night with roosh or raywolf. I’m just saying from their skewed perspective, it should make sense. that or sex dolls.

bbeaty
bbeaty
7 years ago

So, so many responses, I barely know where to start.

First of all, I call shenanigans. This “friend” was in prison for 20 years and, what, never had access to TV or magazines or newspapers or the internet or visitors or other inmates’ visitors? This is some kind of time capsule prison where they lock you away from all the rest of humanity? Not to mention 20 years ago it was the mid 1990s — women were getting tattoos and piercings and and acting all manly and uppity long before that. The OP knows less about prison and recent history than he does sex and human anatomy,

Which means he dreamed this all up in his own fantasy world, which, after it stops being incredibly creepy and icky become terribly sad.

Salacious
7 years ago

I’m pretty sure this guy has gotten his anatomy lessons from the ancient Egyptians

neuroticbeagle
7 years ago

These guys are living proof of what happens when cuts are made to mental health spending. This is so appalling to me.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

Salacious
7 years ago

@bbeaty Yeah I was thinking the same thing. That story sounded more than a little made up. I wouldn’t be surprised if his “friend” wasn’t real and just an excuse to talk about prison rape and sodomy.

hometeampaper
hometeampaper
7 years ago

[blockquote]and you can laugh at my theory[/blockquote]

That’s true.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Alice — no, just the most disgusting.

On topic…ewwww. Note to those involved in anal play — you still need condoms (STDs, and to avoid spreading fecal matter where it shouldn’t go). And lube, lots of lube. And, you know, a receptive anus, a scared tight anus will be immensely painful, even if the owner of said anus wants things up there. Anal rape? Definitely likely to be, at best, very painful, at worst we’re talking serious injury.

This guy is scum, my snail overpopulation is more useful, at least puff gets live food out of it. (Dear gods have the snails been breeding with the extra food the new baby cories are getting!)

In happier things, did I mention that I have baby cories? Cuz I have baby fishies and they’re tiny and adorable and just learning how to properly swim instead of hopping along the bottom and BABY FISHIES! And puff will eat snails off my fingers, which I may try to film once I can enlist my mother to do the filming (it takes two hands). Dude’s got skills, he can crush them in one blow without me feeling it.

rjjspesh
7 years ago

I seriously think these guys, and a lot of MRAs, egt their opinion of women from porn. They see women being degraded and humiliated for men’s pleasure and then get confused as to why women in RL are actual human being, not living toilets.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
7 years ago

I can’t even deal with the horror of the rapiness. All I can say is, if these ideots’ sexual theories are all based around nonsensical evopsych in which sex is all about i reproduction, then why are they so enthusiastic about non-procreative sex?

CassandraSays
7 years ago

I’ve been saying this about these guys for ages – what they want isn’t sex, it’s the ability to dominate women to prop up their own egos. The sex is just a means to an end, none of them seem to enjoy it very much.

Salacious
7 years ago

That’s pretty cool Argenti! I’ve been thinking of getting a beta fish, I know not the most exciting, but also easy to take care of. That or some kind of rodent cause I can’t have a cat.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

Argenti – DAMN IT. NOW HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BE DA MOST LOGICAL???

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

What is with the recent string of ableist comments around here? Is hypnotoad hiding in the background or something?

Because no, what happens when cuts are made to mental health systems is me, and people like me, end up with shitty psychs willing to flat out lie to the social security system. (Yes I am still pissed about that)

Shitty psychs, over medication, homelessness, conveyor line treatment of patients = results of mental health cuts. Assholes endorsing rape =/= mental health cuts.

katz
7 years ago

I’m still stuck on the bit where intestines=brains.

CassandraSays
7 years ago

If you poke someone’s small intestine they will be forced to do anything you want, like a person plucked from the audience to demonstrate at one of those hokey hypnosis stage shows. Yep, that makes total sense.

bbeaty
bbeaty
7 years ago

“The kidneys and lungs for example are a more logical organ, they just process all day long.”

I am must more likely to get short of breath when nervous or frightened than throw up (thanks for that view into your emotional life, raywolf). But maybe that’s because I am an illogical woman. Maybe I need a kidney massage.

feintone
7 years ago

@ sir bodsworth given his understanding of human anatomy, I can imagine him thinking that anal sex can somehow be reproductive.

gelar
gelar
7 years ago

I’m stuck on that, and that buddy, through careful analysis and self-reflection, found that the root cause of his two troubled relationships was that he had stopped doing them in the butt.

SredniVashtar
SredniVashtar
7 years ago

@David Futrelle, thanks for the link to Just Detention International – a nice bit of actual, real-life mens’ rights activism (small m, small r, small a). Paul Elam and his band of merry MGTOWs could take note.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Raywolf thinks intestines are like brains because his head is up his ass.

Why did I read this after dinner?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

Kidneys are logical because all they do is process water into pee?

My uvula just hangs there all day long, but that doesn’t make it Spock.

rjjspesh
7 years ago

gelar: I’m stuck on that, and that buddy, through careful analysis and self-reflection, found that the root cause of his two troubled relationships was that he had stopped doing them in the butt.

Hahaha. Yeah. Right. *That’s* what went wrong in the relationship *snarf*

MordsithJ
7 years ago

There’s an organization in Canada that does real, honest-to-bob work on behalf of men and boys. Tellingly, on their website’s FAQ they made a point of distancing themselves from MRA’s. I wish I had saved the link because I can’t remember what they’re called.

CassandraSays
7 years ago

All my heart does is pump blood around, therefore it’s superior to my brain and I should go with feelings that I perceive as originating from there and overrule whatever my brain is telling me.

Well, I guess it beats thinking with whatever this dude is using in place of his brain.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Alice — sorry, that’s not a thing, humans are inherently illogical, at least at times.

Salacious — cories are nearly as easy to care for, perhaps more so since they’re bottom feeders and not particularly picky eaters, if you have room for a 10 gallon tank — http://www.tfhmagazine.com/details/articles/top-10-for-the-10gallon-tank.htm

Rats are definitely not easy pets the way some fish are though, they’re smart and require far more attention than most fish (puffers are like puppies, they’re really cute about being all sad face if you walk by and don’t stop to say hi)

Cories can and will breed though, so either get all females, or figure out what to do with the eggs/fry (females are larger than males, but males aren’t much bigger than immature males/females, so it’s easy to tell the girls apart, she’ll be the big one in the tank, getting all boys is no sure bet, you might get an immature female [which makes getting a boy for breeding fun!])

Hey, I bought the last batch of cories looking for a boy to use for his sperm…am I a spermjacking misandrist?

FTR, if you do go betta, don’t keep it in a bowl or those tiny tanks, get at least a 2.5 gallon with some sort of filter (you can find DIY sponge filters that work for even tiny tanks and are easy to make)

Honest fishie advice, my preferences aside? Do your research, and, if you can, find a local fish store — not a chain, but a proper fish store run by a proper aquarist, not teenagers with no clue working for minimum wage. Buying your fish from someone who knows fish will save you lots of headache (I nearly explode every time I hear petco say common plecs reach less than 8″ and are suitable for [insert too small tank here] — they reach a foot, or slightly more, suitable for 55+ as adults, and they grow fast)

Also, I am, clearly, willing to answer any fish questions I can 🙂 (and if you’re in the New England area, I might be able to help you out with supplies, I can certainly spare some cultured media)

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

These guys are living proof of what happens when cuts are made to mental health spending.

Really? Not meatloaf again.

kittehserf
7 years ago

The kidneys and lungs for example are a more logical organ, they just process all day long.

Does that mean that if I eat kidney pies for the rest of my life I’d become the most logical person in the whole world?

I lived on steak and kidney pies in London back in the day. It didn’t work. (Maybe the steak cancels it out?)

I’m still stuck on the bit where intestines=brains.

Does this mean all those zombies have been getting it wrong? Somehow INTESTINES! INTESTINES! doesn’t have the same ring to it.

What is with the recent string of ableist comments around here? Is hypnotoad hiding in the background or something?

I know!!! I’m all, dafuq? about it too, not least ‘cos some of it’s coming from people who’ve been around here long enough to know better, or so I’d’ve thought.

CassandraSays
7 years ago

Is it piss all over people with mental illnesses month or something?

kittehserf
7 years ago

Raywolf thinks intestines are like brains because his head is up his ass.

Why did I read this after dinner?

It’d be no better if you’d read it before dinner, I suspect. Appetite 0, grossout factor 1.

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