So one of the regulars on Reddit’s The Red Pill subreddit — the “TRP Endorsed” contributor who calls himself IllimitableMan — has worked himself into a lather about the coming Whitepocalypse. You know, the impending collapse of civilization that Mr. Man and assorted other racist asshats fear will come about as a result of white women refusing to pop out the required number of white babies to keep it alive. Sorry, due to white women refusing to “shit out” the required number of white babies. (Mr. Man is quite the defender of family values.)
It pretty much goes without saying that IllimitableMan blames feminism for it all. In fact, over the course of his rambling, repetitive, and rage-fuelled 2,000 word rant he manages to blame feminism for the impending death of the white race roughly half a dozen different times.
Here’s perhaps the most coherent statement of his thesis:
Feminism has infected western civilization, which means by merit of these societies being predominantly white Caucasian, has harmed this ethnicity the most on a global level, reducing its birth rates the most significantly and affecting its various European and anglo speaking cultures the most adversely. …
What we can conclude is that castrating men by raising them to be effeminate whilst simultaneously allowing women too much freedom and self-determination and polluting said women to view men as adversaries leads to a drop in the birth-rate so deep that a society becomes unsustainable, leading to its inevitable collapse.
So why are white women less interested in popping out babies these days? Blame that Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel.
A fundamental criticism of feminism is it taught women to take on masculine traits, to provide, to work hard, it demonised the sanctity of motherhood, it taught women to value career and the self (an overlap with individualism there) over motherhood and family, 21-year-old White Caucasian girls no longer give any fucks about being a mother and a wife like they did in the 50′s and 60′s, no now they’re thinking about jumping on as much cock as possible, getting a degree, going on holidays … and generally fulfilling the sexual and materialistic elements of their hypergamy. Family and reproduction takes a back-seat.
Ah, good old “hypergamy.” I would just like to take a moment to point out that the word hypergamy actually means “the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.” Red Pillers and Men’s Rights Activists have so distorted the basic concept that Mr. Man here can use it to mean “fucking lots of dudes who aren’t me, providing for themselves and NOT getting married to anyone” without blinking an eye.
Mr. Man continues:
Society facilitates this as any imposition of responsibility or standards placed on a woman is rationalised away as simple “oppression” some psychological misogyny cards are played and voila, Miss Jane average can diffuse all her responsibilities and continue to live as a completely obnoxious and self-entitled bitch giving no fucks in the world about settling down until her beauty privilege fucks off around the age of 30 aka “she’s hitting the wall.” Whilst she was fucking around in her twenties, the average immigrant woman has already had a couple of kids and they’re attending school now.
Damn you white ladies, for neglecting your duty to the white race and refusing to get married until you’re ugly crones in your (gasp) thirties!
And so, while white birthrates decline, European countries have opened their borders to not-white people who show up and eat not-white food and wear not-white clothes and make a lot of not-white babies. Mr. Man, who is apparently British, notes:
[A]n American friend came to London once and stated “IllimitableMan there are no fucking English people this looks like Pakistan” Yes, I did just throw anecdotal evidence in there, this is a blog – not a fucking thesis and I’m starting to taste prozac in my mouth after the incessantly negative tone this piece carries, of course many of you know as such that the pill can be a bitter bitch.
I felt compelled to look up the actual demographics of London, and found that roughly 60% of London’s population is white — which is what I assume Mr. Man’s friend meant by “English people” — and the vast majority of them are of British origin. Roughly 3 percent are Pakistani, another 3 percent are Bangladeshi, and not-quite 7 percent are Indian.
It’s kind of amazing the effect that bigotry can have on someone’s perception of reality, huh?
Like some other Red Pillers and white supremacists out there, Mr. Man looks to that beacon of hope and freedom in our world — Russia — for the possible salvation of the dying white race.
As usual, like with feminism, Russia seems to be one of the few countries making a stand against egalitarian bullshit and seeing the world for what it truly is, a ruthless and uncaring place, I guess being an inherently “red pill country” and opting to reject the babble of cacophonous radical leftist ideologies has had it benefits for the Ruski people.
The funny thing about Mr. Man’s rant is that many of the basic demographic trends he cites are, in fact, real. White birthrates have fallen, and as he points out, in the US more whites are dying than are being born — though somehow he’s missed the news that the birthrates of immigrants to the US have fallen even faster, with the birthrates of Mexican immigrants falling nearly 4 times faster than that of native-born Americans between 2007 and 2010.
Women have entered the workplace in larger numbers and are waiting longer to marry (as are men). Feminism has something to do with all these changes, but so do changes in birth control technology, in education and in the economy.
So what? The real problem with Mr. Man’s rants is that, for assorted racist and misogynistic reasons, he thinks all this is bad. Europe and the US are becoming more multicultural? Cool. That makes the world a more interesting place. Birth rates are falling, not only for whites but for other ethnic groups? Cool. This planet has already got more people than it can handle, and lower birth rates may be critical if we have any hope of staving off a total environmental collapse.
I’m always a bit perplexed by Red Pillers and pickup artists ranting about how women (whether white women or women in general) need to settle down and get married and start popping out babies because that’s their duty as women. It’s not like Red Pill dudes seem particularly interested in marrying these women and raising these babies with them.
Once again, it seems to come back to the issue of control: they’re angry at women for actually living independent existences in their twenties and — oh my gosh! — sometimes even their thirties or later, and “you’re betraying your race” (whether that race is the white “race” or the human race) is just a convenient excuse to bash women who are not so much “out of control” as out of their control.
I’m sorry, but… is it is not -more- ableist to imply that all “mentally ill/disabled” persons are crazy than it is to use the word as an insult? I know I personally am -always- offended by the implication that my depression/anxiety is the same as “crazy” (as crazy carries a heavy negative connotation), while hearing “crazy” as a general insult causes minimal emotional response.
I’d much rather see the word go the same way as “idiot” or “dumb” (washed out into nonspecific insult) than see the connection between it and mental illness strengthened.
So… um… depression isn’t a real, “crazy”, mental illness because you have it and you’re not like those “real” crazy people?
Yeah, no. The problem is that “crazy carries a heavy negative connotation”, not whether people might be directing their ableism towards the “right” mental illnesses.
@kitteh Yeah, I understand what you mean about “irrational” getting thrown out there–” it’s kind of like, “Oh-ho, and you *aren’t*?!”
Alas, can’t use “wanker” with a straight face; masturbation is totally normal and not at all shameful and never hurt anyone. I’m also not really into “asshole” because lots of guys who style themselves “alpha male” types view that as an actual compliment.
“You’re an asshole.”
“Thanks! 😀 ”
“fuck off and die in a fire.”
“Polyp on the ass of humanity,” though, that has some potential.
I have always had the same thoughts that you expressed about the duty to keep reproducing. Isn’t the world on the brink of an over-population crisis as we speak? And wasn’t birth control popularized as a way to help prevent that? Correct me if I am wrong there. I know red pillers want to spout off nonsense about it being so women can be free to slut it up without “consequences”, but I don’t think that’s the story, even though if it were, what’s wrong with women wanting to be in control over their own reproductive choices? We don’t need to keep having more unplanned pregnancies.
Personally, I don’t like the word “dumb” with its implications that people with speech difficulties are stupid, but as the community here seems to accept it, I don’t protest. It may be a UK vs US thing.
It would be nice to think that “crazy” could become as washed out as “idiot” but until that day ….
Thanks Redcap, as long as they don’t call you crazy it’s fine if they do it to me! Or is OCD/PTSD not on your crazy list?
I thought Man Boobz had this sorted! It’s not hard and much more fun to come up with other words!
Also, can’t really lay claim to the polyp jibe, that’s paraphrased from Red Dwarf. 🙂
augzilliary – Apparently it’s oppression if you have to move to see the baby Jesus, because they demand the right to be able to see baby Jesus from ALL angles, without some heathen thing obstructing anyone’s face.
THE TRUE FACE OF OPPRESSION, PEOPLE!
Wanker is good. But it doesn’t have “hilariously irrational” built into it in one nice, neat package. I must confess, I’m not convinced on the “crazy” problem – maybe it’s a cultural difference? – but I will refrain from using it here.
For some reason “walking landfill” just came to mind as an insult. Not sure it has much punch, tho’!
Haemorrhoid… hmmm. It has potential. Suggests something Pythonesque, like “you’re a boil on the arse of humanity” type thing.
Maybe “fistulating varicosed pimple”?
My favorite alternative to “crazy” or “dumb” as habitual insults is “chucklefuck/ery”. It means pretty much the same thing (“that’s RIDICULOUS!”) without playing into ableism, and is fun to read and say.
One of the reasons Manboobz is a good place is that it reminds me how often I’ve been letting that kind of thing slide lately, since it can be like climbing a hill with one’s pinky toes to challenge such things in other fora, leading to a very real drop in my ability to even notice such things. Another is that we can have reasonable discussions about it with a relatively low chance of people flaming out.
Chucklefuckery. I love it! I want to use it! Immediately.
Chucklefuck’s another one I only know from here, but I really like it.
Thing with these losers is they’re not just wankers – as in pretentious gits – they’re keyboard ragewankers. Which could explain their godawful writng – they’re typing one-handed while severely distracted.
That’s true, but it’s not the only way you get fewer children.
One of my favourite TED talks – Hans Rosling. http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies.html
Of course, introducing Argenti to the gapminder data site might mean we get a lot more number stuff thrown around, but that won’t hurt anybody. And if you want to know my all-time favourite TED talk, that’s also by Hans Rosling, The Magic Washing Machine.
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_and_the_magic_washing_machine.html
Wait a second here, I thought every woman’s dream and purpose in life is to get married to those guys, steal their sperm, pop out babies, trap them into fatherhood, exploit their resources etc. Now it turns out that women are actually guilty for not giving a fuck about all this. I want some of the red pills those guys are taking.
Hey, I just realised something. I always said I’d never have a child unless it was going to be the next king of France (a useful way to baffle nosey idiots into silence). Does this mean I’m doing hypergamy right after all?
Alternatives to ableist words:
-Absurd
-Illogical
-Laughable
-Ridiculous
-Ludicrous
-Nonsense
-Nonsensical
-Incongruous
-Preposterous
-Senseless
-Bizarre
-Farcical
-Silly
-Outlandish
-Unreasonable
-Outrageous
-Asinine
There is such a variety of words, why should “crazy” be the first one to be used?
For Pete’s sake. I wasn’t implying that my mental illnesses weren’t mental illnesses, or that it’s appropriate that ANYONE who has mental illness be called “crazy”.
I was trying to say that “crazy” is (at least in my area) becoming a nonspecific insult like “idiot”, and that I disagree that its usage against idiots is a problem because then the connotation shifts from “insult for people with mental illness” to “insult for people who act in objectionable ways”. The word’s meaning widens and becomes redefined.
Again, using it against those with mental illness should not be tolerated.
“It may be a UK vs US thing.”
Quite possibly, I did a report back in like 2nd grade on Helen Keller. My book said “blind, deaf and dumb”, so I did too. We had a sub that day, who was, predictably, not aware that I was a weird kid and thus simply freaked out on little 6~7 year old me because she was quite intelligent!
Redcap…um…no. I used to do the “at least I’m not that kind of crazy”, until, well, commenting here actually. Well, that and getting official bipolar and PTSD Dx’s…you know, being officially that kind of crazy. I mean, I don’t even tell most people those two, I just go with anxiety and depression since those aren’t seen as those mental illnesses…plenty of people have anxiety and/or depression, so they aren’t judged like those illnesses. And that’s the problem with what you said, you’re still separating yourself from them. I am, however, all in favor of reclaiming it (I am, after all, a bag of mixed nuts!)
In other things, English needs a form of “this” that carries the connotation that “iste” does in Latin (basically “iste” is spat out as an insult, please read the above italics in that tone)
“Again, using it against those with mental illness should not be tolerated.”
Except it is tolerated by the vast majority of society, at least in my area anyways.
mildlymagnificent — where is this link? You know I love numbers!
Redcap – I get your point, I hope: it’d be something if crazy did become as innocuous as idiot, and as little an insult to actual mental illnesses. But so far, it hasn’t; it’s still loaded.
Argenti – “In other things, English needs a form of “this” that carries the connotation that “iste” does in Latin (basically “iste” is spat out as an insult, please read the above italics in that tone)”
Does this mean Heartiste has a built-in insult? Say it’s so! 🙂
Blithering (as in blithering idiot) is a term that needs to come back. It so applies to MRAs, and especially the trolls we get.
Doesn’t “irrational” in internetese basically just mean “female”? A comment about menstruation usually follows.
Meanwhile, I want to hand this guy a biology textbook, which is becoming a familiar feeling with both MRAs and PUAs.
Cassandra – ouch, yes, it usually does. Or “not atheist” if it’s an AsshatAtheist blithering.
I’ve always assumed it’s “east”. I think it was a play on the word artiste … which is kind of funny, if so, given that was generally a put-down.