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Red Piller: Unless white women start "sh*tting out" more babies, western civilization is doomed

A shipment of white babies.
A shipment of white babies.

So one of the regulars on Reddit’s The Red Pill subreddit — the “TRP Endorsed” contributor who calls himself IllimitableMan — has worked himself into a lather about the coming Whitepocalypse. You know, the impending collapse of civilization that Mr. Man and assorted other racist asshats  fear will come about as a result of white women refusing to pop out the required number of white babies to keep it alive. Sorry, due to white women refusing to “shit out” the required number of white babies. (Mr. Man is quite the defender of family values.)

It pretty much goes without saying that IllimitableMan blames feminism for it all. In fact, over the course of his rambling, repetitive, and rage-fuelled 2,000 word rant he manages to blame feminism for the impending death of the white race roughly half a dozen different times.

Here’s perhaps the most coherent statement of his thesis:

Feminism has infected western civilization, which means by merit of these societies being predominantly white Caucasian, has harmed this ethnicity the most on a global level, reducing its birth rates the most significantly and affecting its various European and anglo speaking cultures the most adversely. …

What we can conclude is that castrating men by raising them to be effeminate whilst simultaneously allowing women too much freedom and self-determination and polluting said women to view men as adversaries leads to a drop in the birth-rate so deep that a society becomes unsustainable, leading to its inevitable collapse.

So why are white women less interested in popping out babies these days? Blame that Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel.

A fundamental criticism of feminism is it taught women to take on masculine traits, to provide, to work hard, it demonised the sanctity of motherhood, it taught women to value career and the self (an overlap with individualism there) over motherhood and family, 21-year-old White Caucasian girls no longer give any fucks about being a mother and a wife like they did in the 50′s and 60′s, no now they’re thinking about jumping on as much cock as possible, getting a degree, going on holidays … and generally fulfilling the sexual and materialistic elements of their hypergamy. Family and reproduction takes a back-seat.

Ah, good old “hypergamy.” I would just like to take a moment to point out that the word hypergamy actually means “the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.” Red Pillers and Men’s Rights Activists have so distorted the basic concept that Mr. Man here can use it to mean “fucking lots of dudes who aren’t me, providing for themselves and NOT getting married to anyone” without blinking an eye.

Mr. Man continues:

Society facilitates this as any imposition of responsibility or standards placed on a woman is rationalised away as simple “oppression” some psychological misogyny cards are played and voila, Miss Jane average can diffuse all her responsibilities and continue to live as a completely obnoxious and self-entitled bitch giving no fucks in the world about settling down until her beauty privilege fucks off around the age of 30 aka “she’s hitting the wall.” Whilst she was fucking around in her twenties, the average immigrant woman has already had a couple of kids and they’re attending school now.

Damn you white ladies, for neglecting your duty to the white race and refusing to get married until you’re ugly crones in your (gasp) thirties!

And so, while white birthrates decline, European countries have opened their borders to not-white people who show up and eat not-white food and wear not-white clothes and make a lot of not-white babies. Mr. Man, who is apparently British, notes:

[A]n American friend came to London once and stated “IllimitableMan there are no fucking English people this looks like Pakistan” Yes, I did just throw anecdotal evidence in there, this is a blog – not a fucking thesis and I’m starting to taste prozac in my mouth after the incessantly negative tone this piece carries, of course many of you know as such that the pill can be a bitter bitch.

I felt compelled to look up the actual demographics of London, and found that roughly 60% of London’s population is white — which is what I assume Mr. Man’s friend meant by “English people” — and the vast majority of them are of British origin. Roughly 3 percent are Pakistani, another 3 percent are Bangladeshi, and not-quite 7 percent are Indian.

It’s kind of amazing the effect that bigotry can have on someone’s perception of reality, huh?

Like some other Red Pillers and white supremacists out there, Mr. Man looks to that beacon of hope and freedom in our world — Russia — for the possible salvation of the dying white race.

As usual, like with feminism, Russia seems to be one of the few countries making a stand against egalitarian bullshit and seeing the world for what it truly is, a ruthless and uncaring place, I guess being an inherently “red pill country” and opting to reject the babble of cacophonous radical leftist ideologies has had it benefits for the Ruski people.

The funny thing about Mr. Man’s rant is that many of the basic demographic trends he cites are, in fact, real. White birthrates have fallen, and as he points out, in the US more whites are dying than are being born — though somehow he’s missed the news that the birthrates of immigrants to the US have fallen even faster, with the birthrates of Mexican immigrants falling nearly 4 times faster than that of native-born Americans between 2007 and 2010.

Women have entered the workplace in larger numbers and are waiting longer to marry (as are men). Feminism has something to do with all these changes, but so do changes in birth control technology, in education and in the economy.

So what? The real problem with Mr. Man’s rants is that, for assorted racist and misogynistic reasons, he thinks all this is bad. Europe and the US are becoming more multicultural? Cool. That makes the world a more interesting place. Birth rates are falling, not only for whites but for other ethnic groups? Cool. This planet has already got more people than it can handle, and lower birth rates may be critical if we have any hope of staving off a total environmental collapse.

I’m always a bit perplexed by Red Pillers and pickup artists ranting about how women (whether white women or women in general) need to settle down and get married and start popping out babies because that’s their duty as women. It’s not like Red Pill dudes seem particularly interested in marrying these women and raising these babies with them.

Once again, it seems to come back to the issue of control: they’re angry at women for actually living independent existences in their twenties and — oh my gosh! — sometimes even their thirties or later, and “you’re betraying your race” (whether that race is the white “race” or the human race) is just a convenient excuse to bash women who are not so much “out of control” as out of their control.

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CriticalDragon1177
7 years ago

David Futrelle

So IllimitableMan is both racist and sexist? That’s a two for one!

feintone
7 years ago

yet again, more crazy from the red pill crowd.

feintone
7 years ago

I’ll assume homophobia to make it three for one!

Salacious
7 years ago

@feintone Well he does point to Russia as some kind of beacon of all that is good which at this time is super homophobic.

Mike
Mike
7 years ago

“…seeing the world for what it truly is, a ruthless and uncaring place”

Yes it is, thanks to fuckers like this.

This sentiment is what disturbs me most about reactionary ideologies — the idea that because raw nature is demonstrably dog-eat-dog, human beings can and should do nothing to evolve beyond that.

Salacious
7 years ago

On a bit of a somber note, there seems to be ongoing controversy in British universities that I’ve read a bit about. Islamic organizations are trying to push for segregation of men and women in university settings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523787/Inside-British-university-Muslims-segregated-sex-Shocking-picture-shows-men-reserved-row-seats-women-sit-back.html

Robert Ramirez
7 years ago

I don’t know offend me more. The misogyny or the equating of white babies with shit. I think both. This guy pulls a triple whammy of evil: misogyny, racism and baby-hating.

Mongoose
Mongoose
7 years ago

Hmm, I wouldn’t put much stock in the daily mail.

Shadow Nirvana
7 years ago

Taken from his reply to a comment:

“I’m trying to promote open mindedness.”

Salacious
7 years ago

Ok how about some BBC then?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25365658

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
7 years ago

So woman are terrible people for doing things men do?

MRAs sound like shampoo instructions: lather, rinse, repeat.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

I wonder what a Venn diagram showing the overlap between people who use terms like “beauty privilege” and people who complain about “social justice warriors” would look like. I suspect it would be close to a circle.

I’m starting to believe that these Roosh/Heartiste types are literally just people whose fetish is hegemony. As in, they don’t really give a shit about putting their toxic, racist values into practice—as in pulling their sleeves up and doing the actual patriarchal marrying and white baby raising—but they sure do seem to get off on thinking about it a lot. Their blogs strike me as an extended domination role playing fantasy in which they imagine they are the dethroned kings of the earth who will be returned to power in due course, despite their real-life unremarkable or downright criminal personalities and modest social status. Between these dudes and the actual history of whiteness, I’m not seeing a very good case for preserving it in any social or demographic sense.

And yes, I’m totally kink-shaming these dudes.

Salacious
7 years ago

The whole thing is just fear of losing their privilege. First their male privilege was challenged, now their white privilege is being challenged. They’ll actually have to experience what it’s like not to go through life on the easiest setting.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
7 years ago

@mike Sadly naturalistic fallacies are common. Might makes right and is makes ought. Unless the is makes you sad, then you find some other is to point at.

Crime de la Femme
Crime de la Femme
7 years ago

These half wits who write their hysterical crap against every woman born really have no idea how cringeworthy they sound/ARE. Women have more freedom and choices in their lives than ever before and the reaction from these misogynistic morons is that theworld will surely end because of it. Oh God am I sick to death of their miserable, depressed, men aren’t needed or wanted anymore, whiney, whingey BS. Must suck to be that desperate to wipe out the entire female ‘race’ with their pathetic pity parties that they seem to throw every minute of every fucking day in an effort to wrestle back some control in their piss poor lives. Anyway enough of them. I shall ride the cock carousel for as long and as hard as I like and it just makes my day, nay year, that they know they can’t stop me. Eeeee haaaaaaaaa!!!

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
7 years ago

‘Cuz nothing says “I respect the Sanctity of Motherhood” like referring to childbirth as “shit[ting] out” kids.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
7 years ago

Also, as a Brit, he should really be thanking all those non-white people for bringing their non-white food. IIRC, if one takes away all the shawarma shops and curry restaurants, the only edible dining out food in London is fish and chips.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Well, I haven’t found homophobia yet (though I am skimming) but let’s see…

We have sexism in his ableism, some rape apologia, and HOLY SHIT the Islamophoia! (That last one seems to claim feminist coverup btw)

No sign of the shitting out babies line that sent me down this rabbit hole to hell.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

OBVIOUSLY because those white wimminz aren’t doing their duty and “shit[ing] out” white babbies, WHITE GENOCIDE IS GONNA HAPPEN AND CIVILIZATION WILL FALL TO ITS KNEES!!!11!

feintone – No, it’s not “crazy”. it’s assholery. Assholery isn’t limited to “crazy” people, nor are “crazy” people all assholes. Let’s not be ableist and paint the mentally ill/disabled with a tainted brush, mkay?

rhetorikat
rhetorikat
7 years ago

“the ancestral homelands of the white Caucasian ethnicities (and their historic colonies, the USA, Canada, and Australia etc.) are parasitically infected with multicultural ideology”

I love that “ancestral homelands” and “historic colonies” are functionally equivalent, because it’s not like there were any people in colonized areas pre-white dudes. /sarcasm

Also, -10 for improper use of solopsistic(sic).

bodycrimes
7 years ago

Not much about the Manosphere actually bothers me. They’re so far off the wall that I can point and laugh at most things. Except when they start crapping on about Russia. The Russians are fantastic people. Russia itself is TERRIBLE. I go there for work and last year visited a rural village, the week after a huge flood had swept through and destroyed it. People died in their beds when the waters came through – waters predicted hours before. Do you know what the warning system was? The mayor sent everybody a text message. At midnight. The town church had a strong bell that could have been rung. The town administration had cars with loudspeakers. They used none of it. They just let people drown. And then it was days before they sent soldiers in to clean up the mud.

If anything demonstrates how crazy the Manosphere is, their love of masculine, depopulated, demographic-catastrophe Russia does it in spades. Fools.

ceebarks
ceebarks
7 years ago

Salacious, unless I misunderstood, the segregated seating was at extracurricular meetings? If so, I wouldn’t care about it, except to file it away as further evidence that mainstream contemporary Islam is as least as nutty as the religion of my youth. 😀

If they were pushing for it in courses run for credit or at uni-run events, I’d have a huge problem with it.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@feintone

more crazy from the red pill crowd

Please, not “crazy”. These screeds are not evidence of mental illness, they are evidence of bigotry, anger, a total lack of logic, a ridiculous inability to put a logical argument together and a huge great heap of horribleness. Nothing to do with “crazy”.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

And I’m devoured by the blockquote monster.

Grung_e_Gene
7 years ago

Don’t Worry! Republicans have a plan to turn women into Brood Mares. Of course, once the child is born it’s on its’ own. Probably to go to work mopping toilets or mining coal at 6 or 7.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

And I’m ninja’d by Alice Sanguinaria.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

more crazy from the red pill crowd

Head-desk.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

And I apparently can’t copy/paste either.

@Bodycrime –

how crazy the Manosphere

See comments above.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

So I just did the math on that claim about feminists ignoring Muslims raping Swedish women. Using right wing anti-Muslim sites for the number of such rapes, and wiki for the total number of rapes and what percent of the population is Muslim…they’re about a tenth as rapey as those numbers would suggest. That is, despite being 5% of the population, they commit just under 0.5% of rapes, according to the number of rapes claimed by those making the claim that Muslims rape tons of Swedes.

Apparently (unsurprisingly) Islamophobia trumps basic math.

Nitram
Nitram
7 years ago

” 21-year-old White Caucasian girls no longer give any fucks about being a mother and a wife like they did in the 50′s and 60′s, no now they’re thinking about jumping on as much cock as possible, getting a degree, going on holidays … and generally fulfilling the sexual and materialistic elements of their hypergamy. Family and reproduction takes a back-seat.”

And this is bad because?? This sounds like a perfectly appropriate priority list for a 21 year old. Maybe not having a goal of hopping on as much cock as possible, but 21 is definitely the time to try people on and see how they fit. Some ride more cocks than others before finding The One Cock. (metaphorically speaking. Not all of us are into cock, but you know what I mean.) anyway, it’s crazy how he listed all these positive things to strive for: getting a degree, going on holidays, not giving 2 fucks about becoming a wife, etc, and presenting them like it’s something terrible! Those are GOOD things! What else will lead to whitepocalypse? Volunteering, exercising, and hobbies?

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

titianblue — go pet a cat, maybe Furinati love will save you?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
7 years ago

“Miss Jane average can diffuse all her responsibilities and continue to live as a completely obnoxious and self-entitled bitch…”

Criminy!

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

Cheers, Argenti. *strokes witchy kitty*

What is it with the outbreak of ableism, tonight.

@Nitram, care to rephrase?

bodycrimes
7 years ago

Question – if “crazy” is offensive – even though it’s not a formal or recognised medical term – what’s the right way of using hyperbole to say: “they behave in a consistently silly and questionable way”?

MaudeLL
7 years ago

Oh, it’s so hard being England! You go and colonize the world for just a few centuries. In the process, you drain other nations of their resources, wealth and culture/social structure (in a gentlemanny fashion).
Surely it is unfair for Britain to have had immigration from its old colonies. I can hardly contain my tears.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

So…..a single tax for women, then?

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

[A]n American friend came to London once and stated “IllimitableMan there are no fucking English people this looks like Pakistan”

Also, your friends are quite racist.

bluecat
bluecat
7 years ago

I think the biggest demographic reduction in a generation has got to be in the United Arab Emirates. I used to teach there in a woman’s college. Of all the hundreds of 20-something women I taught in 6 years, I only met one who had no siblings. Most had 8-12. Some, with Dads rich enough to go for the 3 wives thing, plus the option of divorce and remarriage, had 30 or more, one woman I knew was the youngest of 43 brothers and sisters.

How many kids were they planning on having? None wanted more than 4.

Twelve years on, of those I’m still in touch with who have children, most have 2.

bluecat
bluecat
7 years ago

Doh – biggest reduction that I personally have witnessed!

Nitram
Nitram
7 years ago

Titianblue, what do you mean? What should I rephrase?

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@Nitram

it’s crazy how he listed all these positive things

jefrir
jefrir
7 years ago

I get the feeling this guy knows pretty much fuck all about Russia. Yes, it is more conservative in terms of gender norms than the UK – and it also has a significantly lower fertility rate and a falling population. So, not exactly proof that gender stereotypes will save us from the extinction of white people.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@bodycrimes

if “crazy” is offensive – even though it’s not a formal or recognised medical term

No “if” about it. And when did something have to be a formal or recognised medical term to be offensive?

And as to the hyperbole to use, get creative. There’s always the ever-popular “ass-hattery” if you’re stymied.

Nitram
Nitram
7 years ago

I don’t know what I’m missing. I didn’t mean to state that going after cock was positive, or anything he wrote was positive. Also, hopping on a lot if cock isn’t negative, didn’t mean to imply that. I don’t think I’ve ever written “cock” so much in my life.

Nitram
Nitram
7 years ago

Oh it was the “crazy”. Sorry, so automatic sometimes. And now I feel like a twit.

ceebarks
ceebarks
7 years ago

plus, aren’t there more white people on earth right now than have ever thronged the planet before? I think even the most devoted fetishist of whitepeople can chill for awhile.

re: nutty/crazy/insane/etc, my sincere apologies. It’s lazy, if nothing else.

I’m guessing what people are getting at is “damagingly irrational” and… well, is that honestly different than “crazy?”

If the red-pillers’ arguments were firmly rooted in logic and a realistic appraisal of the situation (ie, upfront: “we know free women will never voluntarily accept the deal we are offering, because it is absurdly lopsided, so we are going to do our best to use whatever means are necessary to force them into subservience instead) then they would still be horrible, but not irrational.

What’s irrational is their belief that women actually WANT second-class status and would in general be happier if more thoroughly oppressed, and what’s damaging is their attempts to dress that belief up in science-flavored phrases and pass it off as logical and reasonable.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@Nitram, you’re using the word “crazy” to describe horrible bigoted nastiness and lack of logic or consistency.

I’m all for writing about cock, be that penis or poultry 😉

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

I’m guessing what people are getting at is “damagingly irrational” and… well, is that honestly different than “crazy?”

Yes.

kittehserf
7 years ago

21-year-old White Caucasian girls no longer give any fucks about being a mother and a wifehave such limited options like they did in the 50′s and 60′s, no now they’re thinking about jumping on as much cock as possible free to make their own lives without being forced to put up with useless haters like me.

FTFY

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

Nitram – I’m presuming this part:

anyway, it’s crazy how he listed all these positive things to strive for: getting a degree, going on holidays, not giving 2 fucks about becoming a wife, etc, and presenting them like it’s something terrible!

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