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Video game defenders hold the line against eeeevil women with incoherent rage, obscene phone calls

But Mega Man is supposed to be ... a ... man!
But Mega Man is supposed to be … a … man!

Welcome to the first installment of “what the hell is wrong with people, I mean really,what the hell Saturday.”

Today we’re going to look at a couple of recent controversies in the world of gaming. And by “controversies” I mean “women daring to get involved in the gaming industry and getting harassed by misogynistic assholes.”

First up, let’s look at the tale of a woman who’s now facing an angry internet mob because she drew a picture of the video game character Mega Man … as a woman.

A little backstory: The video game makers Comcept recently raised roughly a million bucks on Kickstarter to fund a game intended as a sort of sequel, at least in spirit, to the old Mega Man games. And they hired a woman named Dina Abou Kara as a community manager to handle their forums and other social media.

There was just one little problem: when the folks at Comcept announced her hiring, they also posted a picture she’d drawn of Mega Man, imagined as a woman. Aghast at the very notion of such a gender switch — though Dina wasn’t even involved in the actual making of the new game — the “community” collectively lost its shit.

As Ian Miles Cheong notes on Gameran,

Finding fault with her presentation, these persons decided to pry into Dina’s personal life by combing through her Twitter account for other transgressions against the human race, and found that she had written tweets supportive of feminism and linked to one of Anita Sarkeesian’s videos. …

These vocal individuals went so far as to produce a video “calling out” Dina’s past with “dirt” on her—because sympathising with the feminist cause is indeed enough to demonize someone according to these people. The vocal, well informed fans have since been calling for her resignation from the developer. At this point, these individuals have flooded the game’s development forums, and are trying to hold the game hostage by asking for refunds.

One user, a Mr. Nicholas Day, wrote: “This is a bad idea guys. I don’t want any anita sarkeesian feminism all up in my megaman reboot. I don’t want a sjw [social justice warrior] monitoring the forum, deciding who has good opinions and who has bad ones.”

So, yeah.

And while we’re speaking of douchey gamer assholery, there’s a whole other tale of harassment developing. An indie game developer named Zoë Quinn made a game called Depression Quest, and, a couple of days ago, she posted it to Valve’s Greenlight service, hoping that Valve would pick it up and sell it.

Instead, angry dudes attacked her as a “cunt” and an “attention whore” who could never truly understand depression because “all females are sluts and have no right to be depressed.” And then, she says, some dude or dudes started making obscene phone calls to her.

Here’s her eloquent response:

Check her Twitter for updates and more examples of the shit she’s been dealing with. FOR MAKING A GAME ABOUT DEPRESSION WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEING A WOMAN.

The Mary Sue has more about both stories.

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lana
lana
6 years ago

I like to watch my boys now play this one PS3 game called The Last of Us .Seriously its like watching a movie. I just make some popcorn sit back and watch the action .LOL!

DireSloth
DireSloth
6 years ago

I remember reading an article somewhere about how video games got gendered, that I really wish I could find again. The gist of it was that the very first generation of video games, your Commodore 64s and Atari 2600s, weren’t really marketed to any particular age bracket or gender – they were sold through toy channels and advertisements depicted both boys and girls playing them. Then the great game market crash of 1983 happened, and when Nintendo started the second generation of home video games with the NES/Famicom, they marketed specifically to young boys.

MordsithJ
6 years ago

*Googles Depression Quest*

I am so playing the shit out of this game.

FromAfar
FromAfar
6 years ago

@ patagonianhorsesnake

“wait, it was men who hunted the mammoths, and dragons attack mammoths in skyrim… that means dragons are men! and you’re supposed to kill all the dragons in that game… skyrim is misandry!”

Reminds me of a mod I saw on the Nexus that eliminates the boob plate from female armor, making it more realistic, immersive, but less…. sexy. That was the primary objection. The mod actually made it to the files of the month category, so I feel good about that, but the mod author had to post this in response to the overwhelming backlash:

“After trying out 747823’s “Less sexual female armor,” I was so happy with his mod that I wanted to go write a comment on his mod page. That did not happen. Why you may ask? The comments to the mod page are locked due to a “debate on a file release thread.” That made me very sad… I peeked around in their comments section and noticed a sticky stating that there would be “zero tolerance on transphobic/bigoted/hateful comments.” The fact that they had to post that also made me very sad…

After working for many days, I finally made enough armors to create the release you see before you today. With that said, please let there be no debates or hateful comments on my mod page; they will be ignored and the only thing you will do is make me very sad…”

The argument boils down to “fully clothed and realistically armored women whose boobs are not clearly visible is MISANDRY” Yeah…

FromAfar
FromAfar
6 years ago

Here’s the mod link, btw. If you play skyrim on the pc, I recommend it 😀

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/48160/?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

Are gamers opposed to having women in “their” space because it wrecks the cherished illusion that women are scantily clad 2D slutbots with perky FFF breasts and no opinions of their own?

Or is that an oversimplification?

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
6 years ago

OT: My friend recommended that I watch The Bletchly Circle on Netflix, about codebreakers in England who go back to domesticity after WWII, unable to even tell their spouses about the important work they did. It immediately reminded me of all the times our trolls come here to tell us that women do nothing during war. Good miniseries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/arts/television/the-bletchley-circle-on-pbs.html?_r=0

serrana
serrana
6 years ago

Lana, it’s interesting you mentioned The Last of Us. MRAs have wigged out about that one, too. http://manboobz.com/2013/07/04/the-last-of-us-has-evil-feminism-ruined-the-zombie-apocalypse/

serrana
serrana
6 years ago

Chie, The Bletchly Circle looks great. I’m going to start watching it this week, maybe tonight.

I have Depression Quest up on another tab to play when I can have the sound up. So far, it looks compelling.

lana
lana
6 years ago

I know one young woman that said she got a lot of sexist remarks .One of the problems was she was so good at the game they even accused her of lying that she was really a guy.

Eventually what happened it they collaborated and ganged up on in her the game.

She went back at a later point as a guy and none of that happened.

I don’t know I think part of it could be at core they have to have a clear divide of what is masculine and what is feminine in order to feel masculine .Once they define what is masculine girls are a threat to their masculinity if they want to “play” and especially if the girl is just as good or better.It distorts their masculine image of themselves.

HeatherN
6 years ago

What’s so bizarre about this nonsense is how much it relies on a revisionist version of gaming history. The large scale focus on the dudebro gamer type wasn’t really a thing until the 90s…and there have been women game devs from the get-go.

augochlorella
augochlorella
6 years ago

Wait, people freaked out over a mod to make female armor less sexual? The whole point of mods is that they’re optional. No one is forcing this mod on anyone.

I can fathom being a guy who doesn’t want less sexual, more realistic female armor, but to be offended at the idea of people who aren’t you wanting the option is just… I can’t.

patagonianhorsesnake
patagonianhorsesnake
6 years ago

the modding community for bethesda games has been pretty awful in that respect for a long time, i think.

and it frustrates me that finding a clothing or armor mod that actually resembles something a person going out in the wilderness would wear is so difficult! they’re all “sexy” nonsense. i’m glad you pointed that mod out, fromafar.

honestly, the way the base game forces the basic clothing to turn into a dress if you’re playing a woman, and pants if you’re playing a man, has always been a big source of frustration for me. does anyone know of a way to fix that?

gelar
gelar
6 years ago

Wait, people freaked out over a mod to make female armor less sexual? The whole point of mods is that they’re optional. No one is forcing this mod on anyone.

Well, if people like it, then it might Catch On. And if it catches on, it will be In Demand. And if it’s In Demand, more people will want to supply it.

And then the planet blows up or something, the details are a bit fuzzy.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
6 years ago

You know, I can see why some women would want an armor that shows it was made for a woman, much in the same way that some nobles had plate armor that emphasized the male chest. My argument is when game developers chose to emphasize boobs over armors functionality.

i musta gotten the feminist version of Skyrim (or i just haven”t played it long enough) because my female character wasn’t wearing particularly feminine clothing until I got some vampire armor. I’m not really looking forward to finding out that the rest of the armor is going to be stupid. I suppose I could just wear the armor of any males I kill.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

@Chie Satonaka, have you seen there’s another series of The Bletchley Circle coming, in the New Year?

CassandraSays
6 years ago

I just can’t be bothered with gamer dudes. Really, the fact that some people want to remove the boob viewing window in armor makes you feel angry and threatened, insecure little man? Too bad.

kittehserf
6 years ago

It’s so pathetic, isn’t it? It’s not like these tossers can’t look at all the porn they want, but noooo, every woman, every representation of women, has to feed their boners. Or rather, rageboners, since they’re still going to complain they’re not getting any as is their right. ::rolls eyes::

CassandraSays
6 years ago

It would make more sense in a world in which the boob window was the only chance they had to see boobs, but dude, you are writing these comments whining about the boob window mod ON THE INTERNET. A whole world of free porn awaits you, just a few mouse clicks away. Go forth and wank and leave the people who want to play games without the wanking component alone.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Not only that, but our societies are saturated with women’s bodies as display things in advertising. The whining from these dudes makes less and less sense (which means it’s well into the negatives by now).

Myoo
Myoo
6 years ago

Not only that, but our societies are saturated with women’s bodies as display things in advertising. The whining from these dudes makes less and less sense (which means it’s well into the negatives by now).

I suppose they’ve gotten so used to that being the norm that they think any deviation is a crime against humanity.

Mejas
Mejas
6 years ago

(Playing Devil’s Advocate here) And what about those guys who specifically prefer 2-D porn to 3-D porn (this is where the meme “3-d pig disgusting” came from)? Are you trying to get rid of their precious fanservice?! Do you realize that to say to such a guy is equivalent to telling a lesbian who likes her partners butch to just go get a real man instead? Do you know see how insultingly offensive that is, eh?

vaiyt
6 years ago

That’s playing Devil’s Advocate, or parody?

Malitia
Malitia
6 years ago

At least (s)he stopped dropping random quotes with no context. Or was that a different troll? ^^?

StarStorm
6 years ago

Fantastic. I feel SO much safer as a gamer now that the 102nd Chairborne (The Screaming Neckbeards) is bravely fighting against the tyranny of Rule 63.

Oh that’s right, Rule 63 isn’t tyranny when a guy does it and makes it sexed up for other guys. If it doesn’t please their boners, after all…

vaiyt
6 years ago

“102nd Chairborne (The Screaming Neckbeards)”

So stealing that.

Mejas
Mejas
6 years ago

— “That’s playing Devil’s Advocate, or parody?”

At some point, it ceases to matter and everything blends into grey.

—- “If it doesn’t please their boners, after all”

“I trust two guys, one’s God, and one is my gun”

from “We’re Back” by DMX (Ft. Eve & Jadakiss)

lana
lana
6 years ago

Lana, it’s interesting you mentioned The Last of Us. MRAs have wigged out about that one, too. http://manboobz.com/2013/07/04/the-last-of-us-has-evil-feminism-ruined-the-zombie-apocalypse/

That does not surprise me of course .I guess I’m safe to say I didn’t raise my son’s to be so insecure /afraid of women .They enjoy the game no complaints .Too bad some people’s hate gets in the way of them being able to enjoy such awesome technology.

marinaliteyears
marinaliteyears
6 years ago

Nerd culture is simultaneously my favorite and least favorite sub-culture.
on the one hand, its all about solidarity and enjoying whatever you want to enjoy, because frankly, Being a nerd was unpopular back in the day, and ITs been a hard road to legitimization, and becoming a mainstream sub culture.
On the other hand, Its becoming more and more reactionary in subsets. There has always been rampant elitism in gaming culture.. After all, gaming as a medium has been pretty competitive throughout its lifespan. I guess this elitism, and a sort of juvenile sense of being ‘left out’ of normal social circles has left many gamers feeling Hostile towards the ‘encroachment’ of ‘false’ gamers And even worse.. Cooties! (which is of course false. We have always been around, Dealing with the same crap back in the past too.) The demonetization however, of anyone who happens to not be ‘cool’ with everything that happens in the gaming industry is somehow taken to be an insult.

I may not always agree with every assertion Anita makes, but she isn’t wrong. The industry ‘as a whole’ Skews VERY disproportionately towards male power fantasies, Which is why I think many of the more misogynistic feel like woman are somehow ‘ruining’ gaming.. mostly because If the more sane and less sexist people gained a foothold, we would probably keep the more ‘male power fantasy’ type games to one of several options, rather then the default.
anyway, I say all this, because on some level, I think that this is stuff that all ‘builds up’ In the delusional mindset of the MRA-esque gamers who seemingly do all this crap.

Never mind that Feminism, and keeping in check the rampant Misogyny of gaming could do almost nothing but help the medium grow, by introducing the MUCH desired ‘innovation’. Never mind that Girls have been a major consumer of video games, (Yes, even ‘hardcore’ games.) Never mind that Trying to disclude woman and girls who play video games is pretty much the same as the ‘nerds’ being excluded in the past, which included female nerds, even back then.

‘nother rant, my apologies.

Ziglik
Ziglik
6 years ago

As someone who has suffered from depression, Depression Quest touched me more deeply than any other game has ever done. I literally cried throughout the entire playthrough, because I recognised so much of what I had gone through in the game. I hope that Zoe continues to make games, and I hope she continues to not give a fuck about the Neckbeard Choir.

leftwingfox
6 years ago

Thanks for the link to the less-sexy armour patch! I haven’t played Skyrim in a while now, but I’ll be sure to load that in on my next run-through. Should keep my Khajit from freezing her midriff off.

In the meanwhile I’m playing through the Mass Effect trilogy again. My first time through was Sandra Shepard, Paragon Soldier. This time is Alexis Shepard, Paragon Infiltrator. I swear I tried to play a Male Renegade (“Dick Shepard”) but I was sick of him by the time I reached the Citadel.

tedthefed
tedthefed
6 years ago

leftwingfox: There’s a question for the ages. Why do they go out of their way to make Male Shepard the default, real character, and then make Female Shepard more enjoyable to play in every way?

kobun37
6 years ago

I’ve been a gamer since the early 80s, and I’m a HUGE Mega Man fan. As you might have guessed from the Gravatar, I’m also a woman.

I started playing the series from the very first game back in the mid-80s, and I’ve played almost all of them. When I got online in the mid-90s, I discovered the world of Rockman (MM’s Japanese name) manga and art books and amassed a huge collection of books I couldn’t even read, just because I loved the artwork and the characters. When some of the manga finally started getting translated and released here, I bought them again. Hell, I helped found and run a Mega Man themed online text game and played there for almost a decade. I think I’ve earned my fan geek cred.

I’m embarrassed to admit I like the series these days, and this whole thing is a great example as to why. It makes me sick how toxic and entitled the fanbase has turned these past couple of years. I figured there were always dicklords in the fanbase, but before now I never figured there was a huge amount of sexism. Most of the spots where I interacted with other fans were moderated and people were expected to stay civil and adhere to a code of conduct.

The cancellation of Legends 3 sure seems to have brought the dicklords out in spades, though. These people are angry about almost everything that happens to the Mega Man series. About the only news I can remember that got positive response over the past few years is the announcement of Mega Man in the next Smash Bros, and even then people used it as an excuse to bitch.

Now even just the hint of something they don’t like causes them to explode in rage, and the fact that the target of their ire is a woman has exposed the ugly sexism beneath.

As much as I love Mega Man, I don’t have an emotional stake in the M#9 argument. At this point it’s an obvious clone made by the same guy, and since I’m mainly in love with the characters it’s just not the same. My affection for the original characters doesn’t automatically transfer over so I didn’t donate to the Kickstarter, though I may buy the game when it’s released if it’s good and come to enjoy the new characters.

That turned out a lot longer than I thought it would, but dammit I’m pissed. As a Mega Man fan I’m lumped in with these whiny, entitled sexist assholes and I wish they would get the fuck out of my fandom.

Fatman
Fatman
6 years ago

Inurashii, is “unthinkable faces” a reference to Wizard People Dear Reader?

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

Ah, geek sub-cultures….

Yeah, it’s pretty bloody tribal in the geek communities. In terms of misogyny, I think the below list is pretty accurate in terms of descending order of intensity.

Video Games–as mentioned by lots of folks here and elsewhere, this really is the nadir, especially the online community.
Superhero Comics–Honestly, I’d say in terms of sexism and misogyny in the media itself, superhero comics may very well outdo video games, but you have less pushback against women who want to read the comics (but heaven help anyone who suggests that objectification of women in the genre is a problem).
Sci-Fi/Fantasy Fiction–The pushback here is mostly against women authors, by the few grognards who want to remain in the 1950s, when bold space exploring men rescued women from gynocratic planets and showed them the superiority of traditional gender roles. There has been a growing backlash against sub-genres (particularly urban fantasy) that appeal more to women, though.
Real Science Fandom–I’m talking here about things like Mythbusters and other efforts to popularize the scientific approach. While the professional community is pretty bad at times (we’ve seen those incidents), I’ve seen less pushback in the amateur zone, which is a good thing.
Tabletop RPGs–I do still occasionally see some guy who is upset that the RPGA isn’t a bunch of guys sitting around their parent’s basement, but honestly, that particular community was cracked ages ago. The worst is usually some idiot who tries to be ‘ironic’ and ‘edgy’ with some over-the-top sexist portrayal of women in his self-published supplement for the open-source systems.
Japanese Manga/Anime–This more like ‘benevolent sexism’, in that it’s usually expected that women into comics and animation are talking about the Manga/Anime market. And of course, the content can be anywhere from surprisingly forward-minded to appallingly sexist; in particular, traditional gender roles get a LOT of enforcement here, especially for girls (who are expected to be pure and virginal except for that one kind of bland guy and to be able to cook, clean, and frequently provide household money as well).
“Euro-style” Board/Card Games–This is an activity that appeals to the same market as the other geek stuff, but I have yet to encounter any particular sexism at all (and certainly none geared towards the hobby itself, as opposed to what I guess could be called ‘background’ sexism that’s just the world as we know it being shitty again). A big part of this may be the relative newness of the market–really, the games in this category have emerged over the last ten years or so (Wikipedia notes that the first real break-away game in the States was probably Settlers of Catan, which first launched here in 1995).

Tracy
6 years ago

Gah. I’ve been gaming since I was… 8 or so? On a TRS-80, text-based adventure/horror games. We drew maps on dot-matrix printer paper. The only games with graphics were Pong, and Dancing Demon (spend 30 minutes programming dance moves, and then little robot does his dance). Then Atari, and arcade games – my best (female) friend and I spent hours at the arcade playing Street Fighter. Then Nintendo… etc.

I still game, but I generally avoid online play. Busband plays a shooter online though, and I am pleased to say he had a number of women who’d play with him and his clan, and they were treated like everyone else. Maybe because it was an over-30 clan?

I wonder if the sexist losers who complain like this are young, and think gaming was invented around the time they happened to discover it.

Tracy
6 years ago

Just downloaded the Cat Lady demo, and will totally play Deppression Quest (and donate) – so thanks for the heads-up!

closetpuritan
6 years ago

Freemage–
One thing that interesting is, although I haven’t done a lot of tabletop gaming, when I’ve done it with people my own age (older part of Gen Y/Millenials) it’s been 50/50 male/female. The one time I did it with a mostly-Gen-X group, I was the only woman.

closetpuritan
6 years ago

Also, I went to Boskone, a science fiction book convention, in 2003 and have gone a couple more times recently, and it seems like the attendees are closer to 50/50 male/female now than in 2003 (when I think it was about 1/3 female).

JoJo
JoJo
6 years ago

I don’t get the fuss about the female mega-man. Gender-swapping characters is very popular on the internet (in fact, it’s Rule 63: For every given male character, there is a female version of that character. For every given female character, there is a male version of that character.) It’s actually fairly popular to do so (some do it for fun, some do it because they are transgendered themselves, quite a few do it because they get a sexual thrill from it, etc.)

I don’t know why this one particular case is pissing off the dwellers so bad.

katz
6 years ago

This seems like the right thread for this Fake Nerd Guys tumblr.

Jonathan Wells
6 years ago

That’s not gender-flipped Mega Man, that’s gender-flipped Mighty Number Nine, the titulat character of the game in question.

Facts Are Like Names: Often gotten wrong, even when they sound right.
Facts Are Like Names: Often gotten wrong, even when they sound right.
6 years ago

People didn’t hate the image, they hate the person who made it. And not just for the obvious feminist ties, they also hate her for being the “community ear” on the forums of a spiritual successor to Mega Man… despite admittedly having never finished a Mega Man game.

The person who is meant to kind of distill the community thoughts and present good ideas to the devs is someone who has absolutely no idea what the community wants. The anger over THAT is what has erupted in all these desperate attempts to have her flipped out of office, so to speak, even if a lot of them use a misguided standpoint (HURR DURR FEMINISM HURR) to attempt it.

vaiyt
6 years ago

If you’re going to necro a thread, try doing it with new points, at least.