We met new A Voice for Men writer Clint Carpentier earlier this week, when we took a look at a recent post of his waxing nostalgic about the good old days before marital rape laws, when wives couldn’t say “no” to their husbands and expect the law to take this no any more seriously than a husband intent on rape.
In a second posting, he’s doubled down on the whole marital rape thing and incorporated into a vast and fantastical vision of the past and future of humankind that bears so little resemblance to reality that it’s worth quoting in detail as a sort of case study in Men Going Their Own Way delusions.
Carpentier, clearly a Man Going His Own Way From Reality, begins with a brief and erroneous survey of human prehistory that he seems to have picked up at the University of His Own Ass:
The concept of marriage is relatively new to the human species, but was based on the ancient contract emotionally agreed upon by our primitive ancestors when they discovered that due to their big brains, their offspring were born less mature by necessity than other, less intelligent species; this contract promoted the exchange of three C’s (cooking, cleaning, and copulation) from the female, and three P’s from the male (protection, provision, and progeny).
So not only is Carpentier returning to his notion that compulsory copulation is proper wifely duty, but he apparently thinks that the prehistoric “wife” sat around the cave all day eating neolithic bon bons while her husband marched off to hunt mammoths for her — or perhaps commuted by foot-powered car to his job as a Brontosaurus crane operator at Slate Rock and Gravel Company.
In fact, the notion that male hunters were the main providers in prehistoric society seems to have been little more than a projection of the patriarchal attitudes of older generations of anthropologists onto the past. As best as we can figure it today, prehistoric women were involved not only in extensive gathering but in hunting as well, probably providing the bulk of the calories in the prehistoric diet.
To Carpentier, apparently, it’s all gone to hell since our days in the caves. Today, he laments, “the legal system has been unabashedly twisting the ancient contract into something that amounts to slavery” for men, while giving women more benefits, including the ability to say no to sex, which Carpentier, as in his previous post, describes as a terrible hardship for men:
The responsibilities for women have been eliminated by technology and gender politics, while at the same time their contract benefits have increased. On the whole what was once her responsibility, to copulate, has become whim and weapon. With a legal system in place which has been designed for her to exploit and abuse, it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust women enough to even associate with, never mind marry.
Yep, we’re now coming to the “I’m taking my ball and going home” part of Carpentier’s rant, a necessary part of any MGTOW manifesto worth its salt.
What women didn’t realize was that the very things which made their lives easier – be they appliances or conveniently boxed pre-made meals at the grocery store – simultaneously reduced the necessity for women.
Let’s let that sink in for a moment: because of washing machines and TV dinners, half of the human population is becoming obsolete.
Women have inadvertently been reduced to gestational incubators; everything else, men can take care of on their own.
But Carpentier is convinced that SCIENCE will soon find a way to create what he calls a “gestational beer keg” to enable men to make a little end-run around that traditional (cis) womanly function. All men will need is their eggs, and well, that won’t be a problem:
[M]ake no mistake, women will sell their eggs, and they’ll do it willingly, just as they sell their bodies … And with the advent of Vasagel, a male fertility inhibitor, which is safe, reversible, and lasts roughly ten years per shot, women will lose the stranglehold of procreation over men.
So, wait, do men want to be able to gestate babies in beer kegs, or do they want to avoid having kids altogether? To Carpentier it hardly seems to matter, as his main goal seems to be to say “I told you so” to women.
At this point Carpentier puts on his futurist cap and sets forth what he sees as two possible futures for humanity.
The first, and most obvious answer – and one I so dearly hope for – is women wake up, grow up, and take responsibility for their own life choices. Women are not children, and husbands are not their dads. A radical paradigm shift will have to happen before men begin to have trust in the ancient contract again. A burgeoning respect for the sex that created and continues to maintain the civilization women so blithely enjoy would be nice. Men have been working on it for five thousand years specifically for women. A little recognition would be appreciated.
WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!
And then he says the first positive thing about women I’ve seen him say:
This isn’t about misogyny. This is about disillusionment; we love women, we love their flustered approach to parallel parking, we love it… lift something heavy, or get something high down, we love their sense of helplessness, even when we know they’re not.
That’s right: the only thing he likes about women is what he imagines to be their general incompetence and their possibly feigned “sense of helplessness.”
You know what I love about MGTOWers? Their endless troubles with the basics of grammar. Diagram that last “sentence” of his. I dare you!
In any case, in this scenario, the only way women will be able to get themselves back in the good graces of the men they have wronged by, I guess, not wanting to be raped by their husbands, is for them to admit they were wrong and ask gently for forgiveness:
Men might not be willing to accept the ancient contract back, but we have an amazing capacity to forgive a guilty smile, just meet us halfway, we can work this out.
If women don’t return to men, humbled and ashamed, Carpentier predicts a rather more dramatic future. That is to say: THE APOCALYPSE.
It will start slow, with stores refusing service to those who don’t have the mark of the beast tattooed on their foreheads.
Sorry, wrong apocalypse:
The second thing I can see happening is MGTOW’s becoming criminalized. And here’s how it will happen: it’ll start with a single’s tax, applicable only to men, specifically men who live underneath the tax bracket.
Yeah, this will happen shortly after Congress passes the Monkeys Flying Out of My Butt Revenue Enhancement Opportunity Act of 2014.
Oh, but the Revelations of Clint Carpentier are just getting started. After taxing all the single men, the evil gynocracy will go after their sperm:
If Vasagel can’t be quashed at the FDA level, it will become highly taxed, or just made outright illegal; it’s unlikely anyone with a criminal record, however slight, will be allowed to get a Vasagel injection, on the fear that the doctor may well lose his practicing license. You’ll watch as your fathers, uncles, brothers, friends, get picked up one by one, for what will boil down to not manning up and doing their duty as “men.”
Dude, NO ONE — not even your poor abused socks — WANTS YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS.
But in Carpentier’s mind the evil gyno-governmental conspiracy to steal men’s sperm and make them all into involuntary daddies will ultimately bring everything crashing down:
You’ll feel the first shocks, as the infrastructure fails to maintain itself under the strain of invisible workers who have been imprisoned. You’ll watch as convicts are forced into slave labor to sustain the infrastructure. You’ll feel the crunch as taxes increase, then increase again, because no government seems to understand that slaves and government workers cannot create GDP; without GDP, you have no tax base, without a tax base, you can’t maintain a government, and a large portion of women work for the government, whether directly or through welfare.
And then Carpentier pulls out his trump card:
And this is only if men are so kind as not to revolt.
Yep. It’s always the same old story with these guys: If you don’t listen up, ladies, the world you know will collapse, MEN will arise as one in fury at the women who destroyed the civilization they worked so hard to build, and a new MANLY MALE MANARCHY will put itself in charge.
And presumably the marital raping will begin in earnest again.
Once again, it all comes down to fury that women can say “no.”
Herman, can we not imply that having mental disabilities is a bad thing and that the mentally disabled are inherently fuckwits? Ableism isn’t cool.
@kittehs
Yaaaay!! 😀 I’ll take your nice words for the both of us and hoard them all to myself >:D At least until Fade gets back. XD
@herman f
Can we fuck off with the ableism? I’m getting reeeaaaallly tired of it.
You are right. I apologize.
These people make me so mad though that I stoop to their level at times.
I’ll just stick to the observation that things they say simply do not make any sense and are often self contradictory. Call that whatever you want to.
There you go, now THAT we can all agree on.
And that, gentle readers, is the right way to do an apology.
🙂
(Herman, did you get a welcome package?)
@marie
Nice words hoarder! XD
Anyway, thanks for the welcomes, kittehserf, LBT, and cloudiah, sorry if I missed anyone. Unfortunately, I picked the worstest time to comment, b/c it is my bed time. Goodnight, yall.
Herman – 🙂 It’s okay. Just be careful about what you say in future. We don’t need to tarnish already marginalized groups with the taint of MRA-hood; we’re better than that. Apology accepted.
Off-topic: I was looking at WWII nose art and came across today’s reminder that Aussies put kangaroos on everything and have been for at least 70 years.
A civilization that women have played absolutely no important role in maintenance or creation. Women’s work doesn’t count because…it’s women’s work!
Off-off-topic: I was inspired to look at Australia, kangaroos and humor on pintrest and I found something that amused me: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6f/b8/62/6fb8625c5bb419e2e13866da31fa3231.jpg
*dies laughing*
::also dies laughing::
*Is happy that made people laugh* 🙂
Poor, long suffering England.
You know, I just gotta say, it’s awesome to have two people respond with honest apologies when it’s pointed out they said something ableist. One of the things I love about Manbooberz is how everyone is so aware of all the axes of discrimination, and it’s so reassuring to see that bar met by all but the trolls.
@ Deoridhe
Don’t check the Vox Day thread, then, it’ll just depress you.
Also, when is the creeper going to understand that I’m never going to be his friend no matter how much he pesters me?
Some time after the heat death of the universe?
I for one am all for the marketing and availability of Vasalgel. Its safer than hormonal BC for women which carries increased risk of certain kinds of cancer , stroke ,and sexual dysfunction.Its also less of a hassle as far as having to remember daily to take it .And safer and far less invasive longer lasting than having an IUD implanted in your uterus .
I would have loved it if my husband could have gotten one little shot that lasted 10 years throughout our marriage and was reversible .I would love it if he could get it NOW LOL.He’s looking into visectomy now which is more invasive and expensive .At our age by the time that shot wore off I should have gone through menopause.
So I don’t know about all the fem’s shaking in their boots that its on the horizon.All I know is I would have my husband first in line .
Since this is still a relevant topic, I shouldn’t have said what I said in the other thread, period. It was assholey (or assholeish?) of me. I sometimes fire off comments without thinking what I am saying, and although I rarely come back to look at responses my comments in threads of the past, I am not surprised to hear I have said things that I shouldn’t have on several occasions. It’s my fault for not paying attention. Whether or not I offended people, it shouldn’t have been said either way.
I always thought this was a place to mock misogynists, so in that frame of mind, it’s not easy for me to communicate my contempt for those people without being an asshole. It’s not an excuse for my past behavior though. I am a friendly, warm, and considerate person generally speaking, unless I see someone else being an asshole, then I become an asshole to them or behave like an asshole when talking about them, so yes, I admit that. I need to practice getting into the habit of using non offensive language when it comes to expressing my feelings towards things like this.
Thanks to all of you who have addressed this to me.
Hey Ally, who is that person in your icon? I know you change it periodically, but it seems more often to be that girl. (Or someone who looks a lot like her, with the dark hair and earlocks.)
And wait, people actually think kangaroos are RIDEABLE? I thought they weren’t big or strong enough.
Progress! Huzzah! You appear to be learning, Ashley. (Unless I’m missing a lot of things, in which case boo.)
The MRA belief that feminists, or women as a group, would oppose better contraceptive options for men is such a perfect illustration of how out of touch with how most people think they are. It’s an onion of dumb, misogynistic ideas all layered on top of each other. Or maybe a trifle, but made of hate and fear rather than cake and fruit.
I know, CassandraSays, and it’s WEIRD. There’s the assumption that all women desperately want children (wut), that all women desperately want children specifically for the purpose of child support fraud (lol), and also that these guy’s bodily fluids are so precious that you can actually control people’s behavior by refusing to let them have it.
Seriously, these guys put the phallus in fallacy.
Ashley ,
I have much respect for your honestly and ability to humble your self . And I totally get what you’re saying too about being an ass hole is kind of contagious sometimes.In fact I think much of the MRA is about induction / and creation of misogynist.(((HUGS)))
Idea a and idea b contradict each other, too. If you really believe in the idea that women crave motherhood in and of itself then the idea that women become parents purely to defraud men makes no sense at all.
LBT — well, I assume a suitable small person could ride a ‘roo. My cousin’s six year old maybe? Might be the case that anyone light enough would be too young to hold on though.
Cassandra — right?! I can’t imagine the group capable of getting pregnant refusing to allow the prevention of pregnancy to not be their problem (as a general rule, I can certainly understand wanting that control where abuse, particularly reproductive coercion, is involved). Like, one of my aunt’s married a widower who had two teenagers, and had had a vasectomy. They looked into having it reversed, but this was nearly 30 years ago and the odds of it working just weren’t worth it. I’m entirely sure they’d have loved it if he’d had access to a male form of BC sorta akin to an IUD — long term, no muss no fuss, but reversible. (Now, whether he’d have gone for it, I can’t possibly say, but as an option? No way in hell would said aunt have issue with such BC being available! [ironically, she’s the aforementioned six year old’s grandma so she didn’t get biological kids, but she gets to be a grandma and loves it])