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A Voice for Men doubles down: how dishwashers, TV dinners, and marital rape laws are rendering women obsolete. Also, the apocalypse.

Not the apology that Clint Carpentier is looking for.
Not the apology that Clint Carpentier is looking for.

We met new A Voice for Men writer Clint Carpentier earlier this week, when we took a look at a recent post of his waxing nostalgic about the good old days before marital rape laws, when wives couldn’t say “no” to their husbands and expect the law to take this no any more seriously than a husband intent on rape.

In a second posting, he’s doubled down on the whole marital rape thing and incorporated into a vast and fantastical vision of the past and future of humankind that bears so little resemblance to reality that it’s worth quoting in detail as a sort of case study in Men Going Their Own Way delusions.

Carpentier, clearly a Man Going His Own Way From Reality, begins with a brief and erroneous survey of human prehistory that he seems to have picked up at the University of His Own Ass:

The concept of marriage is relatively new to the human species, but was based on the ancient contract emotionally agreed upon by our primitive ancestors when they discovered that due to their big brains, their offspring were born less mature by necessity than other, less intelligent species; this contract promoted the exchange of three C’s (cooking, cleaning, and copulation) from the female, and three P’s from the male (protection, provision, and progeny).

So not only is Carpentier returning to his notion that compulsory copulation is proper wifely duty, but he apparently thinks that the prehistoric “wife” sat around the cave all day eating neolithic bon bons while her husband marched off to hunt mammoths for her — or perhaps commuted by foot-powered car to his job as a Brontosaurus crane operator at Slate Rock and Gravel Company.

In fact, the notion that male hunters were the main providers in prehistoric society seems to have been little more than a projection of the patriarchal attitudes of older generations of anthropologists onto the past. As best as we can figure it today, prehistoric women were involved not only in extensive gathering but in hunting as well, probably providing the bulk of the calories in the prehistoric diet.

To Carpentier, apparently, it’s all gone to hell since our days in the caves. Today, he laments, “the legal system has been unabashedly twisting the ancient contract into something that amounts to slavery” for men, while giving women more benefits, including the ability to say no to sex, which Carpentier, as in his previous post, describes as a terrible hardship for men:

The responsibilities for women have been eliminated by technology and gender politics, while at the same time their contract benefits have  increased. On the whole what was once her responsibility, to copulate, has become whim and weapon. With a legal system in place which has been designed for her to exploit and abuse, it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust women enough to even associate with, never mind marry.

Yep, we’re now coming to the “I’m taking my ball and going home” part of Carpentier’s rant, a necessary part of any MGTOW manifesto worth its salt.

What women didn’t realize was that the very things which made their lives easier – be they appliances or conveniently boxed pre-made meals at the grocery store – simultaneously reduced the necessity for women.

Let’s let that sink in for a moment: because of washing machines and TV dinners, half of the human population is becoming obsolete.

Women have inadvertently been reduced to gestational incubators; everything else, men can take care of on their own.

But Carpentier is convinced that SCIENCE will soon find a way to create what he calls a “gestational beer keg” to enable men to make a little end-run around that traditional (cis) womanly function. All men will need is their eggs, and well, that won’t be a problem:

[M]ake no mistake, women will sell their eggs, and they’ll do it willingly, just as they sell their bodies … And with the advent of Vasagel, a male fertility inhibitor, which is safe, reversible, and lasts roughly ten years per shot, women will lose the stranglehold of procreation over men.

So, wait, do men want to be able to gestate babies in beer kegs, or do they want to avoid having kids altogether? To Carpentier it hardly seems to matter, as his main goal seems to be to say “I told you so” to women.

At this point Carpentier puts on his futurist cap and sets forth what he sees as two possible futures for humanity.

The first, and most obvious answer – and one I so dearly hope for – is women wake up, grow up, and take responsibility for their own life choices. Women are not children, and husbands are not their dads. A radical paradigm shift will have to happen before men begin to have trust in the ancient contract again. A burgeoning respect for the sex that created and continues to maintain the civilization women so blithely enjoy would be nice. Men have been working on it for five thousand years specifically for women. A little recognition would be appreciated.

WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!

And then he says the first positive thing about women I’ve seen him say:

This isn’t about misogyny. This is about disillusionment; we love women, we love their flustered approach to parallel parking, we love it… lift something heavy, or get something high down, we love their sense of helplessness, even when we know they’re not.

That’s right: the only thing he likes about women is what he imagines to be their general incompetence and their possibly feigned “sense of helplessness.”

You know what I love about MGTOWers? Their endless troubles with the basics of grammar. Diagram that last “sentence” of his. I dare you!

In any case, in this scenario, the only way women will be able to get themselves back in the good graces of the men they have wronged by, I guess, not wanting to be raped by their husbands, is for them to admit they were wrong and ask gently for forgiveness:

Men might not be willing to accept the ancient contract back, but we have an amazing capacity to forgive a guilty smile, just meet us halfway, we can work this out.

If women don’t return to men, humbled and ashamed, Carpentier predicts a rather more dramatic future. That is to say: THE APOCALYPSE.

It will start slow, with stores refusing service to those who don’t have the mark of the beast tattooed on their foreheads.

Sorry, wrong apocalypse:

The second thing I can see happening is MGTOW’s becoming criminalized. And here’s how it will happen: it’ll start with a single’s tax, applicable only to men, specifically men who live underneath the tax bracket.

Yeah, this will happen shortly after Congress passes the Monkeys Flying Out of My Butt Revenue Enhancement Opportunity Act of 2014.

Oh, but the Revelations of Clint Carpentier are just getting started. After taxing all the single men, the evil gynocracy will go after their sperm:

If Vasagel can’t be quashed at the FDA level, it will become highly taxed, or just made outright illegal; it’s unlikely anyone with a criminal record, however slight, will be allowed to get a Vasagel injection, on the fear that the doctor may well lose his practicing license. You’ll watch as your fathers, uncles, brothers, friends, get picked up one by one, for what will boil down to not manning up and doing their duty as “men.”

Dude, NO ONE — not even your poor abused socks — WANTS YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS.

But in Carpentier’s mind the evil gyno-governmental conspiracy to steal men’s sperm and make them all into involuntary daddies will ultimately bring everything crashing down:

You’ll feel the first shocks, as the infrastructure fails to maintain itself under the strain of invisible workers who have been imprisoned. You’ll watch as convicts are forced into slave labor to sustain the infrastructure. You’ll feel the crunch as taxes increase, then increase again, because no government seems to understand that slaves and government workers cannot create GDP; without GDP, you have no tax base, without a tax base, you can’t maintain a government, and a large portion of women work for the government, whether directly or through welfare.

And then Carpentier pulls out his trump card:

And this is only if men are so kind as not to revolt.

Yep. It’s always the same old story with these guys: If you don’t listen up, ladies, the world you know will collapse, MEN will arise as one in fury at the women who destroyed the civilization they worked so hard to build, and a new MANLY MALE MANARCHY will put itself in charge.

And presumably the marital raping will begin in earnest again.

Once again, it all comes down to fury that women can say “no.”

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LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Thank you, Bina. Live, learn, and remember Ashley X. People with mental disabilities are STILL getting involuntarily sterilized in 2007, and I’m sure it’s happened less publically since. So yeah, don’t do it again.

And it was Pro-Patria Truthteller, guys. I’m sad that I remember that, but I do. Fundamentalist Christian crank, if they were in fact not a Poe. (Which is highly up to debate.)

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Also, this is not the first time PPT has socked. I’m still not sure I buy that it’s Al, but yeah, they’re definitely proud of coming back and then pulling the grand, “IT IS I! PPT!” and then everyone’s just like, “wait, who?”

kittehserf
10 years ago

Is there a Worst Sock of the Year award? Piss Poor Truthiness would have to be in the running for it.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Fuck, is PPT our best candidate for troll of the year? (And, if so, are we risking another “MRAL, no that isn’t an error”?)

kittehserf
10 years ago

I think we are – like people said upthread, singling out Cassandra and using “MRAL” as the moniker are big tells.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Wonderful >.<

LBT — there is exactly one part of "the Ashley treatment" that I can support — elective appendectomy. But only because I'm assuming it can be done laparoscopically and thus is probably far safer than emergency appendectomy (or worse, the results of a ruptured inflamed appendix) in someone who can't alert caregivers to the problem. It probably has legit benefits to the handicapped child in question in other words.

The rest? NOPTOPUS!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Oh god. I think PPT might. That’s just SAD.

I vote we vote on something else this year. The troll crop is piss-poor.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
10 years ago

@LBT, I concur. I firmly hold that if there’s nobody worthy to receive an award, it should not be awarded.

pecunium
10 years ago

because no government seems to understand that slaves and government workers cannot create GDP; without GDP, you have no tax base, without a tax base, you can’t maintain a government,

One word: Rome.

Two more words: Antebellum USA.

They had no problem with tax bases, and GDP. They were run on slave labor.

Moron.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@bina

Shit, LBT and Marie, I’m sorry. That was the wrong thing to say. I should have just written that no one will miss these guys’ genes if they take themselves out of the pool. Live and learn…

Thanks for apologizing. (and, I don’t have much to actually add to the discussion at the moment so I’ll leave it at this. :P)

cloudiah
10 years ago

Did anyone else take a look at the comments?

You know I think marriage is fucked and off the table … women are too conceited and men are too depleted (of trust)! … I truly believe what we are seeing with women today is a form of devolution, their gender has become so needy on bullshit facts, fiction and abuse of the law, the State …. they are more reliant on something or someone than ever before!

9 upvotes, no downvotes!

Women made this bed, it is time for them to lie in it. This mess was created by women, I, as a MGTOW, will never consider marriage, even if every law changed tomorrow.

14 upvotes, no downvotes!

In response to a claim that feminists are trying to block sexbots:

And yet they only use a single piece of the male anatomy, the penis, as an object for their own satisfaction. We want a doll to hold and cuddle, and we get shamed for it. The feminist just want something to fill them, and get lauded for it.

Let the thing burn. They hamstringed themselves when they made marriage a losing proposition to men.

Women I have been around have refused to be a shoulder to rest my weary head on when I was struggling. They will not get my productivity and the protection it provides now that I am succeeding. Read the story of “The Little Red Hen,” ladies, and suck it.

The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”

…and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

They had a choice, all of them.

You want my productivity and my protection? What’s in it for me? Unless these misandric laws go away and it becomes a more equitable format for marriage, then I will look elsewhere in the world, even if I have to defect.

4 upvotes, no downvotes.

I honestly expect the return of harems, driven by two forces. One is the islamic tradition spreading west, and the other being the hypergamous nature of women. As fewer men graduate college, fewer men end up at the top of society and therefore fewer men to marry. This will force women to “share”.

5 upvotes, no downvotes.

Women are not to be trusted, do nothing for them, do not give them a single thing. Only make one off exceptions for women who prove themselves people of honour.

The only way I would consider getting married was if the women was under my complete power with no rights. Then after considering it, I still wouldn’t go for it! lolol

11 upvotes, no downvotes.

Ya Nick,I only hope mine won’t be programmed by a woman at the Bobbit Mfg. Co.My ex was already a sexual robot with a crappy warranty,6 months after I opened the “box”, the sound mechanism was stuck on a constant loop of no no no.The artificial intelligence came up with lame excuecess for why it was one demential,claimed it had T.M.J (lockjaw),and never again was that componet to work again.I was so dissapointed by the claimed performance,I’am not even interested in any new “models”,too expensive and not worth the aggrivation.I hear there is a recall on this latest version.

8 upvotes, no downvotes.

I stopped there.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Wait, one more:

Eventually most MGTOWs will decide that buying a cute but fatherless 14-year-old virgin and keeping her as a wife, mother, and housekeeper is not a bad deal, and they’ll return to the marriage market.

Only one upvote, but no downvotes and 0_o

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Unimaginative

if there’s nobody worthy to receive an award,

Don’t you mean, ‘unworthy?’ We have very low expectations for trolls after all, and our current crop just isn’t living down to them.

RE: cloudiah

…and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

OMG. He’s quoting freaking Rorschach, from Watchmen. You know, the character that the created made SPECIFICALLY to be a takedown of that character type? THAT IS HILARIOUS. Oh god, let’s see if he quotes American Psycho next…

The only way I would consider getting married was if the women was under my complete power with no rights.

We know. It’s why we mock you, asshat.

My ex was already a sexual robot with a crappy warranty,

Gee, I can’t IMAGINE why she’s your ex. You sound like a downright prince.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Is it bad that my biggest complaint is that that isn’t what lockjaw refers to? I mean, I had others, but then I got to that.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Argenti

You beat me to it. I was like, “Wait, but TETANUS is lockjaw; TMJ is a different jaw problem…”

Everything I know about medicine, I learned from James Herriot.

Fade
10 years ago

@cloudiah re: the comments you showed

Women I have been around have refused to be a shoulder to rest my weary head on when I was struggling

wow, that reads to me as “women I have been around do not want to be my emotional kleenexes.”

I mean friends generally support you, but I get the idea this guy wasn’t talking about friends so much as random women he thought should dedicate their attention to him b/c of course they have nothing better to do.

The only way I would consider getting married was if the women was under my complete power with no rights

that is really…. really telling

Also, hi everyone! I’ve been away for manboobz for a while, but now I’m (temporarily) back.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I vote we vote on something else this year. The troll crop is piss-poor.

Totally agree!

cloudiah
10 years ago

Hi Fade! Great to hear from you.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Welcome back, Fade!

And yeah, wow, that guy’s commitment issues take the cake. And yet he STILL can’t stop talking about how he totally doesn’t want a woman, guys, he is totally above it, not even if she was on her knees… helpless… begging him…

NO HE IS STRONG AND UPRIGHT.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Hi Fade! It’s always nice when you and Marie are around. 🙂

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

Those comments… I just… Do they not go outside? Yes, people are marrying later, and some people are not marrying at all, but lots and lots of people are marrying, many of them men.

Also, fourteen? Ew. Why do they always fantasize about the rapes they’ll be able to get away with in the future.

Also, the anti-robot activism they talked about? That doesn’t actually exist– David covered it a long time ago here:

http://manboobz.com/2013/01/14/manosphere-doofuses-duped-again-by-phony-canadian-sexbot-ban/

Herman F.
10 years ago
Reply to  cloudiah

All the up-votes and no down-votes on that site are I think the result of fairly heavy moderation. Anyone I know that has expressed a dissenting view gets the post deleted. Also it is my suspicion that they use any info left on their servers as basis for eventual doxing efforts. Why make it easy for them when it is clear they both don’t want any debate and couldn’t respond to it if it happened. I joust with them a bit on public forums and so far I haven’t run into anyone with a mental age over 9. Even the adults post like children. This is a very uneducated bunch and I suspect a goodly number of them have some sort of learning disability (self-induced for the most part I suspect).

HeatherN
10 years ago

So…

Women are not children, and husbands are not their dads.

And

We love women…we love their sense of helplessness, even when we know they’re not.

Anyone else see the problem, there?

Also *love* the slut-shaming:

[M]ake no mistake, women will sell their eggs, and they’ll do it willingly.

– OMG next thing you know, men will be selling their sperm. THE HORROR! Oh wait…

kittehserf
10 years ago

That ebil feminists just want a body part but WE WANT DOLLS TO CUDDLE WHY ARE PEOPLE SO MEAN bit takes the cake, for me. (The bit about wanting a fourteen year old sex slave is horrific but nothing unusual from this lot.) They really don’t get what’s so out there about hating women so much they want a relationship with a pretend one, a virtual corpse, and that it’s not the same at all as something that is only for stimulating the genitals, do they? It says so much about how they see women.

HeatherN
10 years ago

Also love this:

It’s unlikely anyone with a criminal record, however slight, will be allowed to get a Vasagel injection.

Well, cuz yeah…the most prized sperm in all the land is that of someone with a criminal record. *headdesk*

Anyway…on the larger point, I always find this argument so ridiculous. Not only are there a crap ton of historical inaccuracies…but the general premise, that women’s ability to say “no” to sex is somehow a new thing, is itself inaccurate. Whether that right was protected (or not) by the law has changed over time and is different in different places, obviously…but it’s not like women had been dutifully having sex with their husbands for the past millenia and have only recently realised they could say no.

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