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A Voice for Men doubles down: how dishwashers, TV dinners, and marital rape laws are rendering women obsolete. Also, the apocalypse.

Not the apology that Clint Carpentier is looking for.
Not the apology that Clint Carpentier is looking for.

We met new A Voice for Men writer Clint Carpentier earlier this week, when we took a look at a recent post of his waxing nostalgic about the good old days before marital rape laws, when wives couldn’t say “no” to their husbands and expect the law to take this no any more seriously than a husband intent on rape.

In a second posting, he’s doubled down on the whole marital rape thing and incorporated into a vast and fantastical vision of the past and future of humankind that bears so little resemblance to reality that it’s worth quoting in detail as a sort of case study in Men Going Their Own Way delusions.

Carpentier, clearly a Man Going His Own Way From Reality, begins with a brief and erroneous survey of human prehistory that he seems to have picked up at the University of His Own Ass:

The concept of marriage is relatively new to the human species, but was based on the ancient contract emotionally agreed upon by our primitive ancestors when they discovered that due to their big brains, their offspring were born less mature by necessity than other, less intelligent species; this contract promoted the exchange of three C’s (cooking, cleaning, and copulation) from the female, and three P’s from the male (protection, provision, and progeny).

So not only is Carpentier returning to his notion that compulsory copulation is proper wifely duty, but he apparently thinks that the prehistoric “wife” sat around the cave all day eating neolithic bon bons while her husband marched off to hunt mammoths for her — or perhaps commuted by foot-powered car to his job as a Brontosaurus crane operator at Slate Rock and Gravel Company.

In fact, the notion that male hunters were the main providers in prehistoric society seems to have been little more than a projection of the patriarchal attitudes of older generations of anthropologists onto the past. As best as we can figure it today, prehistoric women were involved not only in extensive gathering but in hunting as well, probably providing the bulk of the calories in the prehistoric diet.

To Carpentier, apparently, it’s all gone to hell since our days in the caves. Today, he laments, “the legal system has been unabashedly twisting the ancient contract into something that amounts to slavery” for men, while giving women more benefits, including the ability to say no to sex, which Carpentier, as in his previous post, describes as a terrible hardship for men:

The responsibilities for women have been eliminated by technology and gender politics, while at the same time their contract benefits have  increased. On the whole what was once her responsibility, to copulate, has become whim and weapon. With a legal system in place which has been designed for her to exploit and abuse, it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust women enough to even associate with, never mind marry.

Yep, we’re now coming to the “I’m taking my ball and going home” part of Carpentier’s rant, a necessary part of any MGTOW manifesto worth its salt.

What women didn’t realize was that the very things which made their lives easier – be they appliances or conveniently boxed pre-made meals at the grocery store – simultaneously reduced the necessity for women.

Let’s let that sink in for a moment: because of washing machines and TV dinners, half of the human population is becoming obsolete.

Women have inadvertently been reduced to gestational incubators; everything else, men can take care of on their own.

But Carpentier is convinced that SCIENCE will soon find a way to create what he calls a “gestational beer keg” to enable men to make a little end-run around that traditional (cis) womanly function. All men will need is their eggs, and well, that won’t be a problem:

[M]ake no mistake, women will sell their eggs, and they’ll do it willingly, just as they sell their bodies … And with the advent of Vasagel, a male fertility inhibitor, which is safe, reversible, and lasts roughly ten years per shot, women will lose the stranglehold of procreation over men.

So, wait, do men want to be able to gestate babies in beer kegs, or do they want to avoid having kids altogether? To Carpentier it hardly seems to matter, as his main goal seems to be to say “I told you so” to women.

At this point Carpentier puts on his futurist cap and sets forth what he sees as two possible futures for humanity.

The first, and most obvious answer – and one I so dearly hope for – is women wake up, grow up, and take responsibility for their own life choices. Women are not children, and husbands are not their dads. A radical paradigm shift will have to happen before men begin to have trust in the ancient contract again. A burgeoning respect for the sex that created and continues to maintain the civilization women so blithely enjoy would be nice. Men have been working on it for five thousand years specifically for women. A little recognition would be appreciated.

WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!

And then he says the first positive thing about women I’ve seen him say:

This isn’t about misogyny. This is about disillusionment; we love women, we love their flustered approach to parallel parking, we love it… lift something heavy, or get something high down, we love their sense of helplessness, even when we know they’re not.

That’s right: the only thing he likes about women is what he imagines to be their general incompetence and their possibly feigned “sense of helplessness.”

You know what I love about MGTOWers? Their endless troubles with the basics of grammar. Diagram that last “sentence” of his. I dare you!

In any case, in this scenario, the only way women will be able to get themselves back in the good graces of the men they have wronged by, I guess, not wanting to be raped by their husbands, is for them to admit they were wrong and ask gently for forgiveness:

Men might not be willing to accept the ancient contract back, but we have an amazing capacity to forgive a guilty smile, just meet us halfway, we can work this out.

If women don’t return to men, humbled and ashamed, Carpentier predicts a rather more dramatic future. That is to say: THE APOCALYPSE.

It will start slow, with stores refusing service to those who don’t have the mark of the beast tattooed on their foreheads.

Sorry, wrong apocalypse:

The second thing I can see happening is MGTOW’s becoming criminalized. And here’s how it will happen: it’ll start with a single’s tax, applicable only to men, specifically men who live underneath the tax bracket.

Yeah, this will happen shortly after Congress passes the Monkeys Flying Out of My Butt Revenue Enhancement Opportunity Act of 2014.

Oh, but the Revelations of Clint Carpentier are just getting started. After taxing all the single men, the evil gynocracy will go after their sperm:

If Vasagel can’t be quashed at the FDA level, it will become highly taxed, or just made outright illegal; it’s unlikely anyone with a criminal record, however slight, will be allowed to get a Vasagel injection, on the fear that the doctor may well lose his practicing license. You’ll watch as your fathers, uncles, brothers, friends, get picked up one by one, for what will boil down to not manning up and doing their duty as “men.”

Dude, NO ONE — not even your poor abused socks — WANTS YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS.

But in Carpentier’s mind the evil gyno-governmental conspiracy to steal men’s sperm and make them all into involuntary daddies will ultimately bring everything crashing down:

You’ll feel the first shocks, as the infrastructure fails to maintain itself under the strain of invisible workers who have been imprisoned. You’ll watch as convicts are forced into slave labor to sustain the infrastructure. You’ll feel the crunch as taxes increase, then increase again, because no government seems to understand that slaves and government workers cannot create GDP; without GDP, you have no tax base, without a tax base, you can’t maintain a government, and a large portion of women work for the government, whether directly or through welfare.

And then Carpentier pulls out his trump card:

And this is only if men are so kind as not to revolt.

Yep. It’s always the same old story with these guys: If you don’t listen up, ladies, the world you know will collapse, MEN will arise as one in fury at the women who destroyed the civilization they worked so hard to build, and a new MANLY MALE MANARCHY will put itself in charge.

And presumably the marital raping will begin in earnest again.

Once again, it all comes down to fury that women can say “no.”

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Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

dlouwe, he wrote the novel “Equal Rites” a short time after the speech. The speech was from ’95, the book was published in ’97.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34507.Equal_Rites

lana
lana
10 years ago

My son said a bad word …he said they are “f… tards”

Ashley
10 years ago

“The biggest affect of MGTOW will be less men being taken advantage of by a small group of women working the system and more women having the ‘privileged’ choices of work full time or work full time or work full time.”

Less traditional relationships? not taking advantage of men?, working full time?…is this what they think women are afraid of? Because it sounds good to me.

totient
totient
10 years ago

@Herman F.

It’s called groupthink and bunker mentality.

AVfM is a highly controversial site and it’s easy to see that its members feel constanty threatened from the outside. Under those kinds of conditions, no one has any energy for internal arguing and the main focus in on constantly saving face anyway. Once someone has been let inside and is on the inside, loyal members pretty much have to agree, or at least not argue too overtly against what’s being written on their own page.

However, once somebody had been branded a heretic and formally kicked out, all holds are barred. Frustrations can be freely vented and the loyal members need to put effort into distancing themselves …. “Oh, they were never *really* one of us.” We saw this happen with TheWoolyBumblebee, although interestingly she was kicked out not least for critizing MGTOWs. I guess the need for showing solidarity extends to the MGTOWs as well.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

“It’s going to be a long time before there’s room for equal rites.”

XD lovely pun!

We’re ignoring GNL right?

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Lana — is he the age where his mentally handicapped classmates are still called ret*rds? If so, it may work to just ask him how he thinks they’d feel about being associated with whomever it was he intended to insult.

Also, hi Shaun! More hugs if you want them. And fishie hugs too, puff just kinda circles your finger and gives fishie kisses, but he tries (and rejected my mother earlier, that was pretty funny)

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@argenti aertheri

I’m cool with ignoring GNL. (well, I already ignore they’re first comment, but I’ll continue on this path of ignoring them if they comment again :P)

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
10 years ago

David, that sounds too good for them. I vote for Ferdinandea (I don’t care what Wiki calls it, it will be Ferdinandea to me forever).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinandea

Since all the other language versions of Wikipedia call it “Ferdinandea” I wonder why the English version doesn’t? Even the Mandarin version calls it Feidinande.

That’s the generally very clear division between magic done by women and magic done by men.

This is quite interesting, especially how I heard some female authors (Rachel Roberts comes to mind) want to include a clear division in how the sexes perform magic, often with “witch” magic being instinctive and specific to each person, while “wizard” magic requires intense studying of old tomes. The tabletop game Blue Rose, which was made to bring feminism and social justice to gaming (although I think it fails in regards to race given how white everyone looks), uses a system like this, but with “wizard” magic being unnatural and used only by villains while “witch” magic is the “true” magic.

lana
lana
10 years ago

All I know is one side wants women to stop working .(gaining career and assets until 31-34) Now its a curse on her she does ?Like “she’s going to find out we don’t want her old ass” !

LOL!! Its back to funny mode.

lana
lana
10 years ago

Lana — is he the age where his mentally handicapped classmates are still called ret*rds? If so, it may work to just ask him how he thinks they’d feel about being associated with whomever it was he intended to insult.

NO he’s talking about the MRA.

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

Shawn – Now that you mention the racism/sexism link…

So if you change the references from race to sex in the stupid “anti-racist is code for anti-white” C/P, the result sounds EXACTLY like MRAs.

Like magic! See? *points down*

ALPHA COCKS FOR THE WOMEN, FRIENDZONE FOR THE MEN, FEMINISM FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this SEX problem. Everybody says this SEX problem will be solved when women pour into ALL of the men’s spheres and ONLY into men’s spheres.

The friendzone and creep-shaming are just as sexist to men as so-called “rape culture” and “slut-shaming” is for women, but nobody says that MEN should have a movement of their own to fight these wrongs.

Everybody says the final solution to this SEX problem is for EVERY men-only space and ONLY men-only spaces to “assimilate,” i.e., share spaces, with all those women.

What if I said there was this SEX problem and this SEX problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of men were brought into EVERY women-only sphere and ONLY into women-only spheres?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a SEX problem. I am talking about the final solution to the WOMAN problem?

And how long would it take any sane woman to notice this and what kind of psycho woman wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my sex, the male sex, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a misogynistwhowantstorapeallthembitches.

They say they are anti-sexist. What they are is anti-men.

Anti-sexist is a code word for anti-men.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
10 years ago

Ha! It really is the same thing in the end.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@alice

this is totally OT, but your new* kitty avatar is super cute :3

*well, new to me. Idk how long you’ve had it.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

They may try to implement a bachelor tax. Obamacare comes close to doing this. It won’t have much of an affect. If they do most MGTOW will just go to CA and get gay married, problem solved. I know several men that would marry me for tax breaks.

I can’t even imagine being so hard up for a tax break that getting married to your dumb ass would look like a good idea.

Bachelor tax…get over yourself.

P.S.: it’s “effect.”

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

lana, I’m not sure why you edited “fuck” and not the ableist “tard” portion of that.

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

Marie – Thanks so much! 🙂

ignotussomnium
ignotussomnium
10 years ago

The only thing missing from this rant is a glorious “And then I will RULE the world!” and some evil scientist laughter.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

Rabukurafuto, that sounds amazing. As I said, this speech is from ’95, and he wrote a female wizard within two years of it, so Rachel had over ten years to follow suit. Pratchett is a trailblazer. And one of my heroes.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

And no idea wrt Ferdinandea, I just want to move the MRA’s there.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

Argenti, hi! I will take all the hugs. I had a friend, ages ago, who had fish that loved to be petted. We would feed them bloodworms, and then leave our fingers dangling in the water so the fishies could swim between them and get petted. Then they would come kiss our fingertips.

FromAfar
FromAfar
10 years ago

If [abortion] can’t be quashed at the [Federal] level, it will become highly [regulated], or just made outright illegal; it’s unlikely anyone with a criminal record, [or even none at all], will be allowed to get an [abortion], on the fear that the doctor may well lose his [or her] practicing license. You’ll watch as your [mothers], [aunts], [sisters], friends, get picked up one by one, for what will boil down to not [womaning?] up and doing their duty as [“females”].

Look! I fixed it! Uh….

vaiyt
10 years ago

My flabber is well and truly ghasted. It IS really impossible to parody these people, isn’t it.

My favorite part is the random “Obamacare!” scare in the middle.

bodycrimes
10 years ago

Funnily enough, the ancient Romans had a bachelor tax! It was to stop young men lying round feasting and gaming instead of getting married and producing more soldiers.

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

David – Personally, I’d send them to the Oort Cloud. Or maybe to Venus! I’d like to go visit Mars or the Moon someday, so I’m not sending them there.