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A Voice for Men doubles down: how dishwashers, TV dinners, and marital rape laws are rendering women obsolete. Also, the apocalypse.

Not the apology that Clint Carpentier is looking for.
Not the apology that Clint Carpentier is looking for.

We met new A Voice for Men writer Clint Carpentier earlier this week, when we took a look at a recent post of his waxing nostalgic about the good old days before marital rape laws, when wives couldn’t say “no” to their husbands and expect the law to take this no any more seriously than a husband intent on rape.

In a second posting, he’s doubled down on the whole marital rape thing and incorporated into a vast and fantastical vision of the past and future of humankind that bears so little resemblance to reality that it’s worth quoting in detail as a sort of case study in Men Going Their Own Way delusions.

Carpentier, clearly a Man Going His Own Way From Reality, begins with a brief and erroneous survey of human prehistory that he seems to have picked up at the University of His Own Ass:

The concept of marriage is relatively new to the human species, but was based on the ancient contract emotionally agreed upon by our primitive ancestors when they discovered that due to their big brains, their offspring were born less mature by necessity than other, less intelligent species; this contract promoted the exchange of three C’s (cooking, cleaning, and copulation) from the female, and three P’s from the male (protection, provision, and progeny).

So not only is Carpentier returning to his notion that compulsory copulation is proper wifely duty, but he apparently thinks that the prehistoric “wife” sat around the cave all day eating neolithic bon bons while her husband marched off to hunt mammoths for her — or perhaps commuted by foot-powered car to his job as a Brontosaurus crane operator at Slate Rock and Gravel Company.

In fact, the notion that male hunters were the main providers in prehistoric society seems to have been little more than a projection of the patriarchal attitudes of older generations of anthropologists onto the past. As best as we can figure it today, prehistoric women were involved not only in extensive gathering but in hunting as well, probably providing the bulk of the calories in the prehistoric diet.

To Carpentier, apparently, it’s all gone to hell since our days in the caves. Today, he laments, “the legal system has been unabashedly twisting the ancient contract into something that amounts to slavery” for men, while giving women more benefits, including the ability to say no to sex, which Carpentier, as in his previous post, describes as a terrible hardship for men:

The responsibilities for women have been eliminated by technology and gender politics, while at the same time their contract benefits have  increased. On the whole what was once her responsibility, to copulate, has become whim and weapon. With a legal system in place which has been designed for her to exploit and abuse, it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust women enough to even associate with, never mind marry.

Yep, we’re now coming to the “I’m taking my ball and going home” part of Carpentier’s rant, a necessary part of any MGTOW manifesto worth its salt.

What women didn’t realize was that the very things which made their lives easier – be they appliances or conveniently boxed pre-made meals at the grocery store – simultaneously reduced the necessity for women.

Let’s let that sink in for a moment: because of washing machines and TV dinners, half of the human population is becoming obsolete.

Women have inadvertently been reduced to gestational incubators; everything else, men can take care of on their own.

But Carpentier is convinced that SCIENCE will soon find a way to create what he calls a “gestational beer keg” to enable men to make a little end-run around that traditional (cis) womanly function. All men will need is their eggs, and well, that won’t be a problem:

[M]ake no mistake, women will sell their eggs, and they’ll do it willingly, just as they sell their bodies … And with the advent of Vasagel, a male fertility inhibitor, which is safe, reversible, and lasts roughly ten years per shot, women will lose the stranglehold of procreation over men.

So, wait, do men want to be able to gestate babies in beer kegs, or do they want to avoid having kids altogether? To Carpentier it hardly seems to matter, as his main goal seems to be to say “I told you so” to women.

At this point Carpentier puts on his futurist cap and sets forth what he sees as two possible futures for humanity.

The first, and most obvious answer – and one I so dearly hope for – is women wake up, grow up, and take responsibility for their own life choices. Women are not children, and husbands are not their dads. A radical paradigm shift will have to happen before men begin to have trust in the ancient contract again. A burgeoning respect for the sex that created and continues to maintain the civilization women so blithely enjoy would be nice. Men have been working on it for five thousand years specifically for women. A little recognition would be appreciated.

WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!

And then he says the first positive thing about women I’ve seen him say:

This isn’t about misogyny. This is about disillusionment; we love women, we love their flustered approach to parallel parking, we love it… lift something heavy, or get something high down, we love their sense of helplessness, even when we know they’re not.

That’s right: the only thing he likes about women is what he imagines to be their general incompetence and their possibly feigned “sense of helplessness.”

You know what I love about MGTOWers? Their endless troubles with the basics of grammar. Diagram that last “sentence” of his. I dare you!

In any case, in this scenario, the only way women will be able to get themselves back in the good graces of the men they have wronged by, I guess, not wanting to be raped by their husbands, is for them to admit they were wrong and ask gently for forgiveness:

Men might not be willing to accept the ancient contract back, but we have an amazing capacity to forgive a guilty smile, just meet us halfway, we can work this out.

If women don’t return to men, humbled and ashamed, Carpentier predicts a rather more dramatic future. That is to say: THE APOCALYPSE.

It will start slow, with stores refusing service to those who don’t have the mark of the beast tattooed on their foreheads.

Sorry, wrong apocalypse:

The second thing I can see happening is MGTOW’s becoming criminalized. And here’s how it will happen: it’ll start with a single’s tax, applicable only to men, specifically men who live underneath the tax bracket.

Yeah, this will happen shortly after Congress passes the Monkeys Flying Out of My Butt Revenue Enhancement Opportunity Act of 2014.

Oh, but the Revelations of Clint Carpentier are just getting started. After taxing all the single men, the evil gynocracy will go after their sperm:

If Vasagel can’t be quashed at the FDA level, it will become highly taxed, or just made outright illegal; it’s unlikely anyone with a criminal record, however slight, will be allowed to get a Vasagel injection, on the fear that the doctor may well lose his practicing license. You’ll watch as your fathers, uncles, brothers, friends, get picked up one by one, for what will boil down to not manning up and doing their duty as “men.”

Dude, NO ONE — not even your poor abused socks — WANTS YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS.

But in Carpentier’s mind the evil gyno-governmental conspiracy to steal men’s sperm and make them all into involuntary daddies will ultimately bring everything crashing down:

You’ll feel the first shocks, as the infrastructure fails to maintain itself under the strain of invisible workers who have been imprisoned. You’ll watch as convicts are forced into slave labor to sustain the infrastructure. You’ll feel the crunch as taxes increase, then increase again, because no government seems to understand that slaves and government workers cannot create GDP; without GDP, you have no tax base, without a tax base, you can’t maintain a government, and a large portion of women work for the government, whether directly or through welfare.

And then Carpentier pulls out his trump card:

And this is only if men are so kind as not to revolt.

Yep. It’s always the same old story with these guys: If you don’t listen up, ladies, the world you know will collapse, MEN will arise as one in fury at the women who destroyed the civilization they worked so hard to build, and a new MANLY MALE MANARCHY will put itself in charge.

And presumably the marital raping will begin in earnest again.

Once again, it all comes down to fury that women can say “no.”

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Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Puff will definitely go for bloodworms! Not so much on the petting, he’s gotta be in control of things, but he’ll play with your fingers (I can’t blame him on the control thing, he’s still a little guy, no larger than a grape, and a puffer so basically a swimming helicopter)

dlouwe
dlouwe
6 years ago

@David

The further the better. I’d suggest that the MGTOW go their own way to the furthest known object in our universe.

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

They may try to implement a bachelor tax. Obamacare comes close to doing this.

I have read these 2 sentences over and over and they just never stop being hilarious.

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

Reproductive choice for either men or women is a satanic/illuminati deception. We see more evidence of Futrell/Elam masonic collusion against Christian marriage/traditional Christian sexual morality. And look at the treatment of women here; whether TERF bloggers (I disagree with them on most issues but they still would lose rights of freedom of speech under Manboobz thoughtcrime regime), or Sunshine Mary (greatest female writer since Teresa of Avila). Clint, bow down before Christ; stop supporting abusive trogledytes and celebrate the child for whom unto us has born to save our souls. Manboobzers you also bow down before the Lord; Holy is his Imaculate Name Amen.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

I have no idea what My Poor Generation said, but is it bad that I find it totally hilarious?

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

I really really hope that is a Poe because holy wow.

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

Women have had power for centuries; too many MRAs talk about alpha males when we really need to talk about alpha females. Look at Queen Elizabeth I. Alpha females regulate behavior of civilization and we need to get back to that; look up future president Lila Rose please. Clint needs to have a conversation with her about his immoral beerkeg.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
6 years ago

Rabukurafuto, that sounds amazing. As I said, this speech is from ’95, and he wrote a female wizard within two years of it, so Rachel had over ten years to follow suit. Pratchett is a trailblazer. And one of my heroes.

It certainly was a great essay. This part really stood out to me:

Can you imagine a girl trying to get a place at the University of Gont? Or I can put it another way — can you imagine a female Gandalf?

That’s something I’ve been thinking about lately.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

I lost five IQ points reading that word mash. *winces*

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

Thanks Marie; appreciate the support. Need to leave for now; going to a men’s group event where we respect alpha females and hate AVFM

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

I don’t know if I condone sending them out of the atmosphere…the amount of fuel needed to give those egos escape velocity would leave the carbon footprint of the projected carbon footprint if things don’t change for the next seven centuries. That’s a sentence. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

katz
6 years ago

Go home, Mr. Al. You’re drunk.

sn0rkmaiden
sn0rkmaiden
6 years ago

‘My flabber is well and truly ghasted.’ Love it!

Hmm, a tax on people with penises would they call it the ‘pole tax’? (a very bad joke aimed at British readers)

And if ‘THEY’ are going to outlaw contraceptive gel, will there also be crack teams of misandrists making holes in all the condoms?

I think it’s a great idea for all the MGTOW to marry each other, and all live together in a big happy house with their modern appliances, giant HD televisions, RealDolls, and (all male) babies gestating in beer kegs down in the cellar. They could all live on Barbequed meats and neat whisky, and spend their evenings rewriting history by a roaring fire fueled by the writings of Jane Austen and all those other feminazi hos.

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Oh, is your men’s group meeting happening right away? What a fascinating coincidence!

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@my poor generation

Look at Queen Elizabeth I. Alpha females regulate behavior of civilization and we need to get back to that; look up future president Lila Rose please

congratulations. You’ve found one example of a powerful woman. Have a cookie.

Also, we know who the next president will be? I must place bets on this! who would take betting on future president money?

Thanks Marie; appreciate the support. Need to leave for now; going to a men’s group event where we respect alpha females and hate AVFM

You do realize it wasn’t hilarious in the good way, right?

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

“That’s something I’ve been thinking about lately.”

Pratchett wizards are foolish men who don’t bother about magic unless they (or possibly someone else) have (possibly) accidentally opened the door to the Dungeon Dimensions (or something similar) again. Pratchett witches keep the world going. Discworld is amazing, and I especially love Pratchett dwarves who wear high heel mining boots (although that could be my fond memories of mocking a “But the coalmines…MISANDRY!!!” troll).

Speaking of Pratchett, does anyone else think he was testing out the waters for abortion in “Snuff” with the algebra of necessity?

cupisnique
cupisnique
6 years ago

Grrrr as an archaeologist these dudes need to STOP hijacking an entire discipline to fit their backward-ass agenda

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

Sorry I’ve had a delay on my departure. I’m not MRAL; why do you keep falsely accusing people of being him? Also you’ll never guess where my name came from; YouTube all Saved Freak Band.

vaiyt
6 years ago

It’s kinda cute when trolls try to sway us with buzzwords.

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

Around 10% of women have the power to direct the thoughts of men and most women. GWW serves that purpose for AVFM; Cassandra and a couple of others have that demographic for ManBoobz, and Sunshine Mary has that task for the Christian manosphere. It is this matriarchyal institution of the alpha female which is responsible for most ideas in civilization, yet feminists and MRA refuse to acknowledge this. Futrell and Elam want to keep this secret unrevealed.

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Sorry I’ve had a delay on my departure.

Omfg priceless.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

So what is the gist of this mash? That women are secretly behind everything ever and how we’re actually ruled by a gynocracy, hence we don’t need feminism anymore?

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

One more thought; why does Manboobz highlight the PUA and MGTOW instead of good sites like Dalrock? Is he afraid of the truth of God being revealed?

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

Alpha females decide to what extent feminism will or will not take over. All of the current struggles today are really between factions of alpha females behind the scenes. The feminist alpha females want to restrict freedom of the traditionalist and neocon alpha females. I am starting a blog about this which I will post here eventually.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

MRAL, go home, you’re drunk.

It’s totally him.

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

The Prophet Isaiah predicted this; pay attention to codes on in Handel’s Messiah.

My Poor Generation
My Poor Generation
6 years ago

The person you all think is MRAL, has not been the original one since May when I came on as PPT. How many times do I have to tell you?

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

“Also you’ll never guess where my name came from”

*takes trolls word for it and thinks about important things like bon bons*

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

We all know it’s you, Boston Baby. Whoever you are, you’re a returning sock, and you know what happens to socks with bad boundaries, right?

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

I’m not sure if you are or aren’t MRAL but for what it’s worth, suggesting that the entire commentariat blindly follows someone who hasn’t even commented in this thread at all, and who MRAL was obsessed with, is not your best move.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Katz, hellkell, yep. Y’all summon the Dark Lord, I’m going to summon Sir Pecunium, cuz it’d be funny to have him, yet again, take down Al’s religious idiocy.

(Hint Al, nobody calls you MRAL anymore, dead giveaway that you aren’t just some lurker)

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Fixating on Cassandra–that’s a huge tell.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Dark Lord hath been summoned.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

As has Sir Pecunium, no clue if he’s at work though, so we may not get another theology lesson.

cupisnique
cupisnique
6 years ago

“As more men start MGTOW there will be less traditional relationships and more women forced to provide fully for themselves. The biggest affect of MGTOW will be less men being taken advantage of by a small group of women working the system and more women having the ‘privileged’ choices of work full time or work full time or work full time”

I’m pretty sure that women being the sole or primary bread winner in a family has absolutely nothing to do with MGTOW. There’s a variety of factors involved, but I am quite confident it has basically nothing to do with men not wanting to be involved with women. Otherwise, how did they get pregnant in the first place? And if it’s a choice between a MGTOWer or doing it solo, I’d choose doing it solo every time.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@my poor generation + cassandra

Around 10% of women have the power to direct the thoughts of men and most women. GWW serves that purpose for AVFM; Cassandra and a couple of others have that demographic for ManBoobz, and Sunshine Mary has that task for the Christian manosphere.

Oh my gosh Cassandra, why didn’t you tell me you could control minds? I’m so jealous! The only power I got from the feminist hivemind was the ability to clean up after guinea pigs 😛

One more thought; why does Manboobz highlight the PUA and MGTOW instead of good sites like Dalrock? Is he afraid of the truth of God being revealed?

Don’t know what Dalrock is, but assuming it is good, you’re missing the headline: Misogyny, I mock it. It’s not about good sites, it’s about bad ones, fool.

Salacious
6 years ago

blah silly gravatar log in is keeping me in moderation

Salacious
6 years ago

YAAY out of moderation!! Thanks David 🙂 🙂

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Oh irony, apparently he’s around! Hi pecunium 🙂

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

The person you all think is MRAL, has not been the original one since May when I came on as PPT.

WHICH I KNOW BECAUSE REASONS.

Somebody help me out: PPT?

dlouwe
dlouwe
6 years ago

I don’t know if I condone sending them out of the atmosphere…the amount of fuel needed to give those egos escape velocity would leave the carbon footprint of the projected carbon footprint if things don’t change for the next seven centuries. That’s a sentence. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

That’s true. Unless we come up with a better form of propulsion, sending them to the furthest reaches of the universe will need to go on the backburner.

Maybe we can send them to live with the mole people? They’ve been incredibly good at secluding themselves so far, so the MGTOW could learn a thing or two for sure.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Pro patria uh, truth teller? Pro patria something or other (typical that I remember the Latin huh?)

Salacious
6 years ago

It’s pretty aggravating that they make up fake reproductive rights scenarios that men would face when there are very real reproductive rights in jeopardy for women. I think it’d be awesome if there were more options for men’s contraceptives, then they’d have no excuse to continue talking about women stealing their bodily fluids *shudders*

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

ProPatria…T…Troll? I can’t remember exactly, but it was an Al sock.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Nawh, just make them work in mines. Then they can complain about it without having the security of their comfy computer chairs (do not get me started on Italian immigrant miners, I’m related to some, this assholes think the women sit around enjoying the fruits of their labor and ARGHHH I’M GETTING STARTED)

La Strega
6 years ago

Plenty of mock in Dalrock!!

La Strega
6 years ago

So many misogynists, so little time…

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Slow (but free!) hotel wi-fi has made me very ninja-able today.

Salacious
6 years ago

“A burgeoning respect for the sex that created and continues to maintain the civilization women so blithely enjoy would be nice. Men have been working on it for five thousand years specifically for women.”

Where the F— did he get that number? Out of his ass?