A Voice for Men writer laments: "Since the advent of ‘marital rape,’ sex is no longer a loving duty, so it has become whim and weapon."

So… abusers’ lobby much?

I haven’t read all the comments yet, so apologies if I’m repeating someone.

‘We have entered an age where marital rape and beating one’s wife is outlawed.’

‘Here’s a simple solution to that one – don’t get married.’

I’ve never understood this logic. “It’s illegal to break your kids arm if they screw up these days, so here’s an easy solution; obey your parents.”
“It’s illegal to form gangs these days, but here’s a solution; don’t live in cities where there might be gangs.”

I read it more as “If you know you can’t stop yourself from doing something bad, then remove yourself from temptation.” So if you’re the sort of person who wants to beat and rape their wife, then don’t have a wife and you won’t be tempted to break the law.

But that assume the simple solution is for the wife-beater, not for the wife.

I have sad news for these guys…even if they could afford a “well-trained call girl”, there is still the salient fact that she doesn’t want them any more than the next (unpaid) woman does. She’s just a better actress. Period.

Plus, if she’s the sort of high-end worker they’re fantasising about, even if they could afford her services (unlikely) she’d be in a position to turn them down.

Yes, and she’d be one of the few women in the trade who can, at that.

And she might be able to throw them out and ban them if they’re too insufferable.

The only thing this conversation is missing is evil cackling.

Bina, exactly. They’re just a bunch of Gorean wannabes, even the ones who’ve never heard of the damn series. Utterly contemptible, the lot of them. Even if any given MRA hasn’t abused someone, he’s an enabler, giving abusers aid and comfort – a collaborator, you might say.

The only thing this conversation is missing is evil cackling.

The wind howled. Lightning stabbed at the earth erratically, like an inefficient assassin. Thunder rolled back and forth across the dark, rain-lashed hills. The night was as black as the inside of a cat. It was the kind of night, you could believe, on which Gods moved men as though they were pawns on the chessboard of fate. In the middle of this elemental storm a fire gleamed among the dripping furze bushes like the madness in a weasel’s eye. It illuminated three hunched figures. As the cauldron bubbled an archaic voice shrieked: “When shall we three meet again?!!”

There was a pause.

Finally another voice said, in far more ordinary tones: “Well I can do next Tuesday.”

– Wyrd Sisters, Terry Pratchett

“So now we get to the meat of the topic”

…this guy had to spend two-thirds of his article ranting in order to set-up what the supposed point of that was? I don’t think he’s very good at this “writing” thing.

@ augochlorella

Sometimes mothers can be really sexist. I know my mom thinks she’s all enlightened because she can do anything a man can do. But growing up with an older brother I was subjected to her sexism first hand. I still remember her telling me that if I got pregnant she would kick me out of the house. My brother was given free rein over his sexuality, though.

I’ve heard that myth about men having more girl babies because of weed. Seems like horse shit to me, and even were it the case is that so bad?

@Ally S.: So sorry to hear about what your father did. Hugs, if you want them. =(

OMG LaStrega her post made me almost barf:

Having sex with someone you aren’t attracted to is probably a fairly revolting experience, but if you are married (which is the only morally-licit situation for pursuing sex), you don’t have a choice.

I’m not caught up, but Mnemosyne, having dated a narcissist, I hear you about them being not nice people to be around. And iirc from my undergrad days, antisocial personality disorder gets most of the research funding from the gov’n because of the link to crime (it basically being required to be Dx’ed). But then there are those with personality disorders who are perfectly nice people to be around.

It’ sloth It’s both the armchair psych (as you said, can’t Dx without meeting them) and the implications of saying they think this shit because of a personality disorder — even if they do have a personality disorder, which surely doesn’t include most of the people who think a husband can’t rape his wife, that doesn’t let them off the hook for being terrible people, nor does it mean they can’t STFU and not spread their disgusting views.

I get twitchy cuz, among other things, I’m bipolar with PTSD — supposedly we’re all dangerous and likely to go postal right? That’s how the media portrays us? (That or broken soldiers, but that’s rant for another day!) Only person I’ve ever hurt, outside my brother when we were small (and run of the mill sibling shit, he got me good a few times too), is myself. I’m a danger to no one else, and thus get cranky when I see assholery being explained as mental illness. No, plenty of us manage to not be assholes!

I’d love to discuss the intersection of psych and law with you sometime though, avoiding getting committed is always on my todo list >.<

Freemage, yay! I could totally get behind Kitmas celebrations. I got to do two bits of Furrinati worship today – a lovely Airedale who’s all “Hello, human! Can I lick your hand? Now can I chew your sleeve? Yay!” and a sweet tuxedo kitty.

Also, Katie was reminding us of Her status as a goddess the other day. Came in and sat on the table at breakfast in Her best Egyptian cat pose, and gave us (that’s Louis and me) the beady-eyed look. Just expecting Her to help Herself from our plates wasn’t good enough, obvs, so we had to make an offering on Her plate.

Louis did the little bow that goes with saying namaste, too. He knows his place.

If women are demanding that their husbands do their “fair share” of the chores, then why do men need wives at all? In man’s attempt to make their wives lives easier, they have reduced the wifely duties to next to non-existent. Why, women? Why oh why would you drive those final coffin nails of obsolescence in? Aside from children, there’s no benefit left to having a wife.

While this seems fairly sociopathic, he is correct in that he probably should not get married. It strikes me as similar to how when racists wax on about how they won’t let black people into their lives, that one can be prone to agreeing with them simply out of concern for whatever black person that might come in their path. Although I doubt that MGTOW types would be content with simply avoiding women, many of them seem more likely to search for ways to actively spite them.