Has A Voice for Men just declared itself in favor of marital rape?
In the midst of a long and otherwise fairly tedious piece complaining about wives asking their husbands to do their fair share of the chores, Clint Carpentier offers some rather startling thoughts on marital rape laws, and how he thinks they help to make marriage a losing proposition for modern men.
In the good old days, he writes, “sex was a wifely duty she was obligated to provide as per the terms of marriage.” But “since the advent of ‘marital rape,’ sex [in marriage] is no longer a loving duty, so it has become whim and weapon … .”
Yep. Apparently “being raped by your husband” is really just a way to fulfill your “loving duty” as a wife.
So, Carpentier concludes, if wives demand that you do the chores around the house, and you can’t rape them at will, what’s the point of even having one in the first place? After all, he argues, in an age of washing machines and readymade meals chores are easy, and men can get “once per day of blasé sex” from “any street-hooker” or splurge on “mind-blowing sex once a week [from] a well trained call-girl.”
And so, he writes,
If women are demanding that their husbands do their “fair share” of the chores, then why do men need wives at all? In man’s attempt to make their wives lives easier, they have reduced the wifely duties to next to non-existent. Why, women? Why oh why would you drive those final coffin nails of obsolescence in? Aside from children, there’s no benefit left to having a wife.
Well, if the only “benefits” you can see in having a wife are someone who will do the cooking and cleaning and whom you can rape at will, then, no, there is no benefit to you in having a wife now that marital rape is illegal. And there is certianly no benefit to any woman in marrying or dating or possibly even being in the same room as you.
Where have all the good men gone? Well… where have all the good women gone?
That’s right: A man who considers marital rape to be a husband’s right honestly thinks that he’s one of the good ones.
AVFM’s Paul Elam loves to rail against the evils of traditionalism and chivalry. Interesting that marital rape is one element of traditionalism he apparently has no problem with.
Wasn’t there an MRA David posted about a while ago, lamenting how women don’t love like men love, because man-pain is so much worse, blah, blah, blah, etc? Maybe that was on another blog, I dunno, after a while all the MRA’s nonsense is so nonsensical it starts to run together in parts.
I tend to think most MRAs think they understand the concept of love, but it looks very different from what most other people would think of as love. Most of what I remember reading of theirs seems to think of it as something to be avoided because then gold digging bitchez will steal all their hard-earned man money and make them feel feelings.
@Bostonian:
MRA Love seems to switch from two poles – either someone is naively in love with a waifish, perfect girl who ignores the person for some brutish, aggressive specimen, or a poor man is suffering from the heartbreak after breaking up with their One True Wuv, and belatedly realizing how awful a person she really was all along – forever swearing to never fall for any womanly tricks ever again.
If you’re an MRA and in love, you’ll be told to get over the idiotic naivety, because all women are soandsoevil… while if you’re an MRA and out of love, because Bitches, amirite?, you’ll be told that it’s still possible to hold out for a waifish, innocent (christian?) girl to come along, if you but follow these simple guidelines…
Central to it all is that love corrupts, and that women are nasty. Either you’re a fool, or you’re “Bitter, and evil, and what can I do? I have to be an asshole…!”
@Argenti Aetheri:
I was referring to the horrific, sadistic rape experienced by the woman in the video I saw. Anyone who thought that those actions were somehow okay, probably has some issues. So, Carpenthier probably is unaware of the video I’m talking about, so it is kind of a stretch for me to say that. Even if you believe in “traditional marriage,” the idea that a wife should go along with these things is pretty messed up.
I guess it was a stretch for me to say that the guy has a mental disorder. You can’t really tell what someone’s like without meeting them face-to-face. I’m also not trying to be mean to those with mental illnesses. There are two personality disorders that tend to make the sufferer not a nice person, however.
Fibinachi – soooo true.
What they never acknowledge, of course, is that they are simply not lovable. Hell, they’re not even likable.
How suggesting this usually seems to go (in an extremely simplified way):
“We don’t need you, anymore; without chores, food, and childcare, that just leaves sex, and even then I could just see a prostitute.”
“So, do it.”
“… How dare you!”
Seriously, a RealDoll would be cheaper for these idiots and would reduce harm to actual women.
They need to buy RealDolls.
Sex workers have enough to deal with without adding MRAs to the mix. (well more than they are already)
@Fibinachi:
I used to debate Red Pillers on the topic of psychopathy. They often would tell me that being “kind” got them nowhere and since they embraced the “Dark Triad,” every woman wants them. I would then tell them that that wasn’t the case. The person often cannot see the psychopathic partner for what they are until they are in a relationship with them. When I reminded them that such people are incapable of love, they would tell me that that was a “stereotype,” and “dehumanizing.” They were assured that they would find love as a psychopath.
@gelar, I’m pretty sure that’s the history of the origins of the MRM in a nutshell.
Mnemosyne – that’s curious; my (probably inaccurate) impression was that a psychopath or sociopath could neither feel love, because they simply haven’t the empathy with other beings, nor would want it anyway. Very good at faking it, some of them, but it’s all manipulation.
This is from very general reading and I won’t be surprised to be told it’s all wrong. But I’m also remembering reading a comment by a social worker who’s dealt with sociopaths, and noted that they are not nice people at all. This was in response to a horribly self-aggrandising piece by someone claiming to be a sociopath, which opened with the charming description of her drowning a baby possum that had fallen in a swimming pool.
I don’t understand this idea of the Dark Triad.
Wikipedia says Machivellianism, narcicism and psycopathy, but MRA’s and PUA’s and MGTOW’s and ABC’s and other such lettersoup labels seems to think it means being aggressive, assertive and aloof.
“I got laid when I became an asshole!” really seems to mean “I started getting dates and sleeping with people when I started being honest about that being what I wanted instead of spending weeks and weeks pretending to be kind to someone to cheat them out of their safety and into my bed!”
Which, y’know, all the more power to someone for being true to their real identity… but… erh… Yeah. That’s less “I discovered the truth to female arousal” as it is “I stopped being a lying, conniving fool”.
Oh, well, of course! Who wants to marry someone you love and respect and want as a partner for life? That’s just banaynay!
You answered the question, right there. There’s no fun in it for them if they’re not hurting a woman. I wouldn’t mind betting if these guys do go the RealDoll path, they’re the ones who end up returning the things for repairs after slashing the breasts and genitals with knives.
Saying random, ridiculously hyperbolic stuff does not actually make it true, kittehserf.
I have sad news for these guys…even if they could afford a “well-trained call girl”, there is still the salient fact that she doesn’t want them any more than the next (unpaid) woman does. She’s just a better actress. Period.
You’re back DefJam!
No one said it was actually true. Just making a joke because they’re really fucking angry people who hate women. If you need proof of that, just go read shit they write.
The Dark Triad sounds like Batman’s got triplets.
I just read that book! The one about the sociopath drowning the opossum. She was pretty self-aggrandizing. She claimed to feel love, sort of, where “love” = (in my paraphrase) “I like having them around, and intellectually I am impressed at their continued niceness to me”.
I thought the MRM’s view on love was that men could feel real love, it was only women who were incapable and viewed things as transactional. Therefore, in dealing with women, you (the MRM guy) had to be transactional too.
@ cendare I think you’re right, they view women as asexual beings only interested in status achievement via hypergamy! hmm.. does that mean if your wife isn’t having sex with you, maybe it’s your fault because you aren’t offering her anything of value in return?
Says the guy who’s done nothing but say random, ridiculously hyperbolic stuff.
I’m surprised that DefScum hasn’t tried to shill that stupid site on this thread, too. Never mind that this thread is all about that stupid site.
Ew, I thought that you were too good for us DJ? Guess not.
DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WIENER!!!
Er, winner.
1. You don’t know how hyperbole works, do you?
2. RealDolls being returned for repairs because of being slashed does happen. Connecting that sort of rage with the men who want marital rape to be off the books, or women to be beaten (like your hero Elam), is hardly a stretch.
3. Saying something not making it true is funny coming from an MRA. You lot trot out bullshit 24/7. Squealing about misandry doesn’t make it a thing.
Plus, if she’s the sort of high-end worker they’re fantasising about, even if they could afford her services (unlikely) she’d be in a position to turn them down.
cendare – did the book get worse? I read an excerpt in the Good Weekend and felt unclean/furious afterward. If she made up the possum story, then she’s done a great job of depicting herself as a loathesome person who should live on a deserted island. If she really did that … fuck, I’m not even going to finish that sentence.