Apparently some of the folks at A Voice for Men are afraid that, amidst all the eulogies for one of the greatest freedom fighters of our age, people may lose sight of the fact that Nelson Mandela was, in fact, a man. Not a man in the fallible human being sense, as he was and all of us are, but a man in the not a lady sense.
So AVFM Managing Editor Dean Esmay felt it necessary to remind the world of this fact:
The Horseless Hun decided to rub it in a bit:
Kukla, meanwhile, wasn’t all that impressed.
This, again, is a site that thinks of itself as the locus of the “Men’s Human Rights Movement.” It’s also a place where the death of a real human rights icon becomes just another excuse to talk shit about women.
No matter who dies, if it’s someone our society reveres, MRAs gotta find some way to make it relevant to them. It’s a lot like conservatives claiming credit for the abolishing of slavery. In 50 years they’ll all be claiming credit for advancing LGBT rights.
*That* was the most racist thing that ever happened to her?
There’s a reason why Santy’s name became a nickname for excrement foam. Everything that comes out of his mouth is shit.
I once had the privilege of seeing Mandela give a speech in 1990, when Apartheid was still in force. He made the point of mentioning the significance of women in the anti-Apartheid struggle, commented on the importance of gender equality and even made a point of mentioning that his speechwriter was a woman.
Strangely, he failed to mention friendzoning or spermjacking.
Buttsploodge needs to have his mike confiscated, and a hard chair planted under his behind.
As for Racist Flyer Girl…cool story, bro-ette.
Because Obamacare is exactly like apartheid.
But it’s true! Most oppressed of all are the invisible people. Then come the visible ones, and teh menz are top of that list.
Nelson Mandela has earned his rest, more than most. I refuse to address the scum on this one, be they exploiters or haters.
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I got this and leave it for those needing a bit of brain bleach:
http://i.imgur.com/OLsxKda.jpg
RE: auggziliary
I once met a white supremacist rad vegan/animal rights activist.
I am completely unsurprised by this. But then again, I have a friend who’s a pagan in a division where apparently Neo-Nazis are a big problem.
RE: grumpycatisagirl
males are abused more than any other visible group of people
Aha! So the INVISIBLE people take the cake for abuse! All those people crashing into them…
RE: Sir Bodsworth
I once had the privilege of seeing Mandela give a speech in 1990,
OMG. I feel such envy. How did you end up getting to see this?
First heard about Mandela’s death on the SPLC site. He certainly will be missed by many. Myself included. ='(
@auggzillary:
“I’m sure there are a few racist feminists out there. There’s some really odd combinations in bigotry and political beliefs. I once met a white supremacist rad vegan/animal rights activist.”
Yeah, it’s not that common, but it does happen. For example, I’ve come across a few bigoted “all white people are racist/only whites are racist” POC feminists myself(or at least, persons who claim to be feminists anyhow) during my time in this field. (They’re rarer than hen’s teeth, though, thankfully.)
And speaking of *white* feminists with issues, anybody run into Diana Boston at any point? She was really nasty to this one Chicana feminist who I happen to like a lot(Divinity33372 on YouTube, btw.), including calling her a “chola” and other nasty things. I never liked her much to begin with, but after hearing about that…..
“I’m not saying it really matters to me. It’s just bizarre as fuck when you meet someone who’s a total crank on one issue(usually uber conservative) and pretty ok on another.”
I agree with you on that, btw. But then again, there’s always a few people who just can’t help it, ya know?
RE: alternatesteve90
all white people are racist
There are white people who AREN’T? I was kind of under the impression that if you’re white and raised in a society that privileges you, it’s pretty much a safe assumption you’re going to have a lot of racist shit to unpack, myself included.
I’m kinda side-eyeing the folks who seem boggled by the idea that feminists can be racist. Do they not know about Ida B. Wells? White feminism in the US at least has a HUGE racist history behind it, and it’s best to accept that, not pretend it totally never happened or has any impact now.
I was born pretty much a month before Mandela was released, and grew up admiring him. He was an inspiration to all who faced hardship and struggle. he will be missed.
i’ll point out that it is comforting to know that after a lifetime filled with hardship and struggle, he passed away peacefully, at his home, in the company of his family.
Cage match between Forney and Esmay?
Off-topic, but apparently men have to rule their families for the state to be restrained: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/12/06/paternalism-not-matriarchy-is-the-problem/
Okay, I just got the most grotesque mental image of two doughy dudes having a slap-fight to see who can out-racist/sexist the other.
RE: Bina
A fight like that is like having a screaming match with a llama: even if you win, you’ve accomplished nothing but annoying everyone around you.
Do llamas scream? I was of the impression that when angry, they simply regurgitate a cud of green goop, and spit.
Same general principle.
I asked the all knowing google and got this as a response:
What sounds does a llama make?
The hum-m-m-m-m-m-m is the most common sound. It is a sign of contentment when they greet you with kisses at the fence or a mother with her newborn. A high-pitched hum, or a whine, is an expression of distress. The alarm call is similar to a horse whinny. This tells the herd to be alert. Something dangerous or unfamiliar has been spotted. Llamas will group together after hearing the alarm call and will all be looking in the same direction. Many times, the cause for alarm may be a dog or coyote. A clicking noise made with the throat is a sign of irritability or aggression. Males fighting for their territory make an unmistakable shrieking scream.
from here:
http://www.beecreekfarm.com/pages.php?page_id=13
“There are white people who AREN’T?”
Well….yeah.
“I was kind of under the impression that if you’re white and raised in a society that privileges you,”
Well, the only issue I have here is that here in the U.S. at least, it’s not so much that white people are OVERprivileged, it’s that People of Color are UNDERprivileged. (Although it can be pointed out
“it’s pretty much a safe assumption you’re going to have a lot of racist shit to unpack, myself included.”
I dunno. TBH, it’s certainly true that there are a fair share of white folks who have had their struggles with issues in general, even if not with racism but with other things; I myself have had to struggle with issues of my own(not with racism, though, but definitely with other stuff; I used to be pretty fervently anti-Zionist for one). But then again, there’s also those out there who really don’t have that baggage.
“I’m kinda side-eyeing the folks who seem boggled by the idea that feminists can be racist.”
Well, and again, it’s pretty rare these days, for whites or anyone else(especially the latter). That’s why.
“Do they not know about Ida B. Wells?”
Sadly, this great African-American feminist icon does seem to be a tiny bit
“White feminism in the US at least has a HUGE racist history behind it, and it’s best to accept that,”
The problem is, while out-and-out racis,, was indeed a problem, it was not quite a *huge* problem, even in the 1900s, let alone today(though *cultural* prejudice certainly was.); TBH, I have to point out that the “[Outright] Racism was universal amongst early feminists” is a myth and one that has been largely propagated by conservatives at that(think: FOX News, teabagger types).
“not pretend it totally never happened or has any impact now.”
Nobody really is, though; even white mainstream feminists aren’t denying the imperfections of the movement’s early days, or even those of today(though in the case of the latter, it can certainly be admitted that many still don’t understand the full extent of the problems that do exist, particularly that of Eurocentric cultural prejudice). But things were more complicated than what you insinuated here, though, is all I’m saying.
Also, does anybody know how to do blockquotes on here?
“I was born pretty much a month before Mandela was released, and grew up admiring him. He was an inspiration to all who faced hardship and struggle. he will be missed.
i’ll point out that it is comforting to know that after a lifetime filled with hardship and struggle, he passed away peacefully, at his home, in the company of his family.”
Indeed so! Mandela was a truly honorable man who not only fought hard against Apartheid and the institution racism of the old regime, but also forgave his enemies and sought to move his nation forward, in spite of the odds once against him. An example for us all. =)
Did you get your Welcome Package, alternatesteve90? Argenti’s left a how-to for blockquotes etc. in the comments. 🙂
@Bob Dole: I’m not surprised, btw: The Spearhead’s always been one of the screwiest MRA bullcrap machines, and this is just one more example of why.
@kittehserf: I musta missed it somehow. Thanks for the heads up, though. 🙂