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Men's Rights Redditors try to call out misogyny, fail (BONUS BIGOTRY: The misogyny caller-outer posts to the White Rights subreddit)

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So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:

If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.

Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.

I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”

But then I started reading the comments.

Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.

As JoshTheAspie put it:

JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2)  ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense.  80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce?      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3)  happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier.  This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.

Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.

uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5)  Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection.  Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0)  The former would probably cause the latter.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20)  you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1)  gb2SRS plz.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3)  Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got?  Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie?      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0)  Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.

If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.

Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:

knucker2 6 points 1 hour ago (7|1)  I agree. I think the phrase "its offensive* is an extremely weak criticism. It's more accurate and more persuasive to criticize this post for being unconstructive, intentionally inflammatory, and poorly communicating his point.  People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking reference and ignore the valuable points about double standards. If you are going to be inflammatory, then at least do it in a way that keeps people on topic. This is distracting.

As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”

And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:

Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2)  Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3)  Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men.  Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...

First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.

And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.

And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.

EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m,  also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”

He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”

EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.

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kittehserf
10 years ago

MRA school would define toxic masculinity as the poisoning of the system when women don’t do what they’re supposed to.

If a woman doesn’t:

feed;
clean;
breed (when required);
have abortions (when required);
provide whatever sort of sex the man wants;
become invisible when she doesn’t sexually appeal to any given man;
provide sex to any man she gives a boner;
be faithful to the man who owns her;
bring in an income without losing any time she should be attending to the man;
raise the children (ditto);
hand over the children when the man chooses to leave;
make sure the children know their father is their parent and she is just their incubator and servant; and
do all this telepathically, so that the man doesn’t need to waste breath talking to her,

then she is failing him and creating toxic masculinity, in which it is impossible for a man to thrive as he would if women behaved correctly.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

“Question? How does the Manboobz kittytariat feel about the word “guys”?”

Personally, I call my friends “guys” all the time when speaking/writing to them one or more at a time, whether or not any or all of them are not male. You know, “Hi guys!” or “I love you guys,” that sort of thing.

Then one of my friends posted a FB status complaining that a host in a restaurant had greeted her group of friends as “guys” when they were, in fact, ladies. I thought to myself “Oh. I call my female friends ‘guys’ all the time. Maybe I should not do that.”

My resolution was not to call that *particular* friend a guy (or a group “guys” if she’s part of it) but it’s still my habit with everyone else. Hopefully if anyone else minds they’ll speak up (I have no problem being called “guy” myself, in the Electric Company “Hey you GUUUUYSS” sense).

kittehserf
10 years ago

LBT – ah, apologies, I hadn’t read all the earlier comments.

New definition of waste of time: pairing youtube comments with benefit of the doubt. 🙁

serrana
serrana
10 years ago

cloudiah, I’m late, I know, but I was just reading the “how feminism lead to two world wars” thing and I caught myself literally making this face.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: auggziliary

When in doubt, use what the person said they were. If Titica says she’s a trans woman, no asterisk, then no asterisk is necessary.

RE: Kittehs

Yeah, I have yet to see a Youtube comment where someone misgenders someone and takes it with good grace.

Ally S
10 years ago

RE: auggziliary

When in doubt, use what the person said they were. If Titica says she’s a trans woman, no asterisk, then no asterisk is necessary.

Yeah, this is a good rule of thumb. Also, some trans people don’t like the asterisk to be used all the time. In fact, some of them oppose it entirely for reasons I don’t quite understand.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

The article is a mere teaser for his 500 page study:

An Introduction to
The Tyranny of Ambiguity
being an account of the development of the system of behaviour analysis called
Procedural Analysis

The Tyranny of Ambiguity is a true narrative account of an in-depth study of Amsterdam society by an independent scientist. It is an at times amusing, at times searching adventure of discovery into human sexuality.

And, yes, when he says “in-depth study” he means a bitter middle-age man ruminating on his mostly failed attempts to pick up women in public. And, yes, his scientific breakthrough is actually an endless rant about females, including how they make males “neurotic” by giving “sex signals” and then withholding sex.

Signals include almost any physical movement, activity or tic, so avoiding eye contact and deliberately making eye contact are both signals. Also if a woman “jostles” into a man on a crowded train or “accidentally” drops something on the ground, she is signaling her attraction to a specific male observer. Science!

His “study” includes an epic hissy fit over F25D3 (remember she’s a “test study”):

MALE PRIORITY. Of course, another immediately obvious explanation for F25D3’s flitting off while I was still in mid-sentence exists. It is that my conversation was unbearably boring and F25D3 had withdrawn to escape the tedium, or there may have been some other defect in my presentation. By way of response I state explicitly here that:

[…]Compared to the utter trivia which seems to circulate in the minds of all but a tiny proportion of females, almost anything was an improvement. […]

[…]As a male I was a wealth creator rather than (as the female) a net consumer, and reasoned that as such my desires should have priority over those of females.[…]

The relatively safe and comfortable society from which females were now unreservedly taking benefit had been created by my male forebears, people like me, and their success demonstrated that my desires had more validity. The females were taking advantage of male efforts as blithely and unthinkingly as someone who believes that the blowing of a whistle is the power which sets a train in motion.

Whether by the medical research I had done, the organization I ran or by this study I was contributing in at least a small way to the advancement of humankind. Not only did this reinforce my conviction that my male desires should be honoured, in preference to those of females, but in addition I resented the pressure I was clearly under to indulge in dishonesty and trickery in order to fulfil my desires, especially since such dishonesty of thought, for example by selective perception and distortion of truth, was directly antagonistic to such advancement.

TL/DR: see MAMMOTHS, SLAIN BY MEN

And if his misogynist rage didn’t turn women off, his disgust over white women coupling with “non-occidental aliens” (especially “Negros”) and his rancid, bottomless hatred for Jews should repel all of humanity. I hope some Dutch women innocently suggested he check out the Anne Frank Museum while in Amsterdam, because that conversation would be very awkward at best.

quequoi
10 years ago

The Electric Company “Hey you GUUUUYSS” sense is exactly how I feel about it, but I have a hell of a lot privilege as a cis-woman, and I absolutely do not want what I think is OK to override someone else’s feelings, especially in a space I enjoy so much.
There was an SRS Discussion thread about non-gendered group addresses that was pretty interesting, I may have to dig that up now.

lana
lana
10 years ago

Science fact!

I have a penis so I want ta doo it wit lots of females.

Lots of females want ta do it wit me cuz day have bajinas!

See ? I told ya!

quequoi
10 years ago

Oh sweet Hera on a cloud, Brooked, that guy’s written diarrhea is truly caustic and disgusting.
I need cookies to wash that taste out of my mouth. I’m sharing too if anyone needs some too.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I wonder what the Dutch for “Fuck off, creepy dude” is? Sounds like there’d be a market for tee shirts with that printed on them in Amsterdam.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

I wonder if a woman telling him to go away is also a sign of interest.

lana
lana
10 years ago

Thus females tend to minimize large differences between the races

You mean women pay attention to details ?

Wow they are doomed. So are you because yo mama was a woman.

lana
lana
10 years ago

I wonder if a woman telling him to go away is also a sign of interest.

It depends. Does she giggle when she says it ?

cloudiah
10 years ago

I would like a cookie. Also, I would like for creepy, racist men to stop making elaborate tables claiming my behavior while riding the bus demonstrates that I secretly want them to sex me.

serrana
serrana
10 years ago

I wonder if dumping a cup of hot coffee in his lap is a marker, or a token?

serrana
serrana
10 years ago
CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

This dude’s babbling reminds me of that modesty survey where the young fundamentalist guys were complaining that girls doing stuff like bending over to pick things up and wearing crossbody bags was an unbearable temptation that the girls should prevent by, um, not moving?

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

MALE PRIORITY. Of course, another immediately obvious explanation for F25D3′s flitting off while I was still in mid-sentence exists. It is that my conversation was unbearably boring and F25D3 had withdrawn to escape the tedium, or there may have been some other defect in my presentation.

No, dude, stop right there. You are one boring motherfucker.

Of course, if you’re going to go the “some other defect” route, may I suggest that you are one BIGOTED boring motherfucker?

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Aw, and he says flat out that he’s a man, so his shit should have priorities over women’s. SOMEBODY’s grouchy over women being people, isn’t he?

Also, wow, guys, I’ve got cyborgs coming out of my ears! I still have two animals unclaimed so far, and the claimed animals are as follows: wombat, tiger, Rex cat, donkey, and clown loach fish. Anyone else have any preferences?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

I would guess that, other than the fact that his raging misogyny shows through no matter what he’s saying, there’s a distinct possibility that the “defect” in his presentation may be his face (or lack of good grooming, or other appearance related issue). Giving a perfect speech isn’t going to make a woman want to have sex with you if she finds you physically unappealing.

Which is of course misandry.

lana
lana
10 years ago

The other “disturbing ” thing is if men are (is it hard wired) to have sex with as many “reproductive” females as possible but she (female) is only interested in one solid mate to sick around . Who the hell are all these “females” hes fucking ?

Is that a little rapey or what?

MACE!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

That whole way of framing things boils down to the idea that one sex can’t have what they want, so he’s decided that it should be women.

quequoi
10 years ago

I so want to make Hippo sugar cookies right now. *squee*

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Hippo cookies? O_o

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