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Men's Rights Redditors try to call out misogyny, fail (BONUS BIGOTRY: The misogyny caller-outer posts to the White Rights subreddit)

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So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:

If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.

Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.

I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”

But then I started reading the comments.

Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.

As JoshTheAspie put it:

Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.

If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.

Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:

As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”

And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:

First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.

And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.

And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.

EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m, also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”

He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”

EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.

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lana

11 years ago

There are male and female genes ? You mean like at the Gap?

vaiyt

11 years ago

Cargo cult science at its finest.

Ally S

11 years ago

My rule of thumb: the more self-assured a person sounds, the more full of shit they must be. Not that it’s hard to tell in this case.

Dunning-Kruger effect!

lana

11 years ago

@Iana
I don’t know the source or specifics of 72% of divorces initiated by women factoid, because I don’t particularly care about divorce statistics, but, wow, it clearly haunts the dreams of a lot of MRA types.

Booked,

I don’t care either except I have to look it up because I have been hearing it spewed for several years now and I like knowing its not pulled out their ass.Like women making a profit on divorce(cash and prizes) while men sleep under a bridge is a lie.

But yes. They are red eye rage filled bursting vessels in their necks because women aren’t legally forced to stay with them .Which is the only way they could keep one with them.

They have to actually posses some traits that are interesting or endearing to a woman for her to be attracted to him besides 5 inches hard and they don’t have it .So they make up conspiracy theories that she is after his 40 K a year .

lana

11 years ago

Cargo cult science at its finest.

So many genes to choose from too little time to spare.

Fibinachi

11 years ago

The optimal male policy for the furtherance of his genes is to impregnate as many reproductive females as possible, while the optimal female policy is to secure a single, long-term mate of exceptional fitness who will remain with her and provide for her while she rears children.

The optimal male strategy is the have a lot of children…
“Okay, right!”
The optimal female strategy is to have a lot of children, but only with the kind of person we get to call “exceptionally fit”.
“Wait, what?”

… If the optimal strategy of both sexes is to have a lot of children, it’s a matter of maximizing child-output per life. How to do that is any given thing that works, but you’re already looking at a flawed premise when you assume that women need someone to remain with her and provide for her.

Why? She could get a lot of people to do it. She could be a 2-3 year prostitute. She could invest in combined child-rearing with other women (as humans have done since the beginning of time ).

Besides, didn’t the author in the section above just make the claim that everything was about equal transmission of characteristics (to build into: Alpha males), and here it is (Exceptional fitness (alpha males)), but for some reason, the optimal male strategy is still to just impregnate as many people as possible, without taking into account their fitness level. If a spawn isn’t viable, you’re looking at a loss in this useless pretense as logic, so why don’t the hypothesis take that into account? (Because the hypothesis is stupid).

What a bunch of malarky. It was wrong from the first sentence. Not a lot of stuff gets that bloody well wrong.

“

Jones, the King’s jockey, and Emily Davison both lie unconscious after Davison walked onto the course during the Derby of 4 June 1913

”

She didn’t “Walk onto the course”, she ran to grab the fucking reins of the fucking horse while the race was in the initial phase.

If the newspaper writes “Fibi walked in front of a tank, and got driven over” and my actual activity was “Running up to the the armed, armored weapon of war to spray paint it peace symbols”, I’d like to suggest there might be some artistic freedom at play in the journalist piece.

God.

Tables, tables, I’m going to focus on the tables before my brain dripples out my ears.
—

“

Token: when one thing means another. examplesAn invitation for a cup of coffee: traditionally, this is an invitation to share in the ritual of its preparation, and to talk

emphasis mine

…. hahahaha. Hahaha.
Hahahah.
Hahahahahaha.
Asking someone out for a cup of coffee is now a “token”, because you have to make the coffee before they can drink it. Asking someone to have a cup of coffee with you is a token because you have to make the coffee first. Sweet rotating tire irons.

Damn you cloudiah, this is intoxicating.

Okay, what about DSoD (“Dee-sod”; Dishonest Submersion of Difference) Theory…

… Uhuh. So “

This contrast in the perception of difference is also a function of gender. Theorem 3 in PA is the DSoD Theory (Table 2), so-called because it formalizes females’ erroneous perception and, although they do not see it as such, their dishonest nature to some extent. According to this theory, females make small differences larger and large differences smaller. Thus females tend to minimize large differences between the races, between men and women and between humans and animals. (One might compare females’ insistence that these great differences are small with their meticulous examination of fine details while shopping.) An example quoted in my book is of someone who insisted that any female over the age of 14 be called a woman but who described herself as a “self-identified political lesbian non-separatist heterosexual.”

sorry about just getting mind leakage all over the thread.
Table 2 says…

AMSoSD: The Actual Male Submersion of Small Differences
EFPoSD: The Enhanced Female Perception of Small Differences
IMAoLD: The Inordinate Male Amplification of Large Differences
DFSoLD: The Dishonest Female Submersion of Large Differences

… So males have actual submersion and amplification, but those dastardly lying women have “Enhanced” and “Dishonest”.

God-dammit, why must you always get the racism with the fucking misogyny? Can’t it ever just be plain old woman-hate? No, no, women are dishonest exactly because they think there is no difference between races. Males are awesome because they’re willing to die for these things!

Also, as a note on Science and all, ignoring large differences but getting worked up over very small ones? That’s kind of a big, big deal when you’re trying to construct data-sets and dealing with relative numbers. Males who are oh-so-logical and oh-so-smart who ignore tiny calculations and amplify big ones make airplanes that won’t fly and elavators that take you past the top floor.

Now it’s not funny. Now it’s just sad. : (

lana

11 years ago

I don’t even get why the fuck they’re so obsessed with breeding.

I don’t think they are .I think they are obsessed with their penises and where they feel entitled to stick it and can’t because they need the permission of the receptacle.

Howard Bannister

11 years ago

Speaking of X/Y gene dimorphism, did you know that no matter how many X genes you happen to have (one or two or in some cases three or four) only one of them is turned “on”? There are special little switches on it that keep it from expressing itself too freely. We’re all really one-X gene possessors at that level.

That’s a fun factoid that I learned the other day when somebody was going on a long tirade about how that extra X gene really makes women stupid. I mean, the whole “genes equals gender” thing was fail enough, the misogyny was fail enough, but then to find out that their science was just as empty and full of holes? Oh, it was priceless.

This has been your Science Moment! Courtesy of the Home-schooled kid, learning new stuff all the time.

lana

11 years ago

The optimal male policy for the furtherance of his genes is to impregnate as many reproductive females as possible,

Hide your daughters . Even the daughters of the seed that gened her .Oh and I suggest his mother and sisters should hide too .(and his grandmother and his aunts that are “reproductive”)

lana

11 years ago

All I know is if a man impregnates a woman and the woman has a girl baby then the woman’s “genes” beat the man’s genes. OR it could be the man who impregnated her is actually a girl

Because a man has male genes and a woman has female genes.

right?

lana

11 years ago

This goes back to Biblical times . When the thinking was the man “deposited” a baby into the woman’s womb.

lana

11 years ago

So if a man impregnates 100 women .But each of those women only have one baby (his) then there are more male gene children between them than female gene children .

GOT it! Clear as mud.

Bina

11 years ago

Once again, I am reminded of two sayings:

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts,

and

The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

Applies to Mr. Yay-I-Make-My-Own-Science, liberally. Lather, rinse, repeat…

kittehserf

11 years ago

There are male and female genes ? You mean like at the Gap?

And they never bloody well fit!

LOL at all those sad Rich Men being ripped off by their wives – all those Rich Men who can’t get access to a lawyer, poor things. World’s smallest violin.

Nepenthe

11 years ago

@Howard Bannister
Careful, it’s the chromosome that gets “turned off” (packaged tightly into a Barr body), not the genes.

Ironically, because we* have two X’s, typical chromosomal females are significantly less likely to be developmentally or intellectually disabled. Even if a typical chromosomal female carries one broken allele for one of the genes on the X chromosome linked to such disabilities, half of the cells in their body will express the functional allele.

I guess male/female genes could almost make sense if you’re talking about inherited methylation; usually only one sex’s methylation state is inherited over the other, IIRC. Something tells me that that’s not what our MRA friends are referring to.

*Yes, I’ve been karyotyped and I’m 46, XX

cloudiah

11 years ago

Nelson Mandela has died.

lana

11 years ago

Another thing ? If men are so inclined to spread their seed around to many reproductive females to ensure his male genes ? Then why do so many of them masturbate like rabbits wasting their genes all over the place ? Do they think a baby (their male genes) will sprout out of the shower drain or grow on a wall or in a tissue?(or a sheet?)

And I guess women when they masturbate they are aiming for immaculate conception .

Look its all science .Sorry to tell you .

Ally S

11 years ago

Nelson Mandela has died.

Shit, really?

RIP :{

lana

11 years ago

Nelson Mandela has died.

Rest in peace . (((HUGS))))

Brooked

11 years ago

The essay will attempt to address the underlying mechanisms – the big picture rather than the fine details – and makes the following assumptions: that humans evolved and that their characteristics must be expressed both individually and collectively to be evolutionarily viable.1
1. In the terminology of evolutionary biology, traits must satisfy the criteria for being an evolutionarily stable strategy (ESS); equivalently, they must have a reason to exist (i.e. be advantageous) and have a means to exist (be heritable).

His entire world is comprised of unwarranted assumptions and goofball hypotheses, which he must explain in excruciating detail. His other “articles” focus less on sciency specifics and go heavier on pure hate.

@Fibinachi

God-dammit, why must you always get the racism with the fucking misogyny? Can’t it ever just be plain old woman-hate? No, no, women are dishonest exactly because they think there is no difference between races. Males are awesome because they’re willing to die for these things!

The author bounces between passionate anti-feminism, endless Holocaust “revisionism” (aka Holocaust denial + anti-semitism + ZOG references) and general, virulent bigotry. Simon is a renaissance man and a real peach.

FYI, Simon is a recording engineer from Hull, England and his personal essays includes stories about the recording of Peter Gabriel’s third album. He thinks the song “Biko” is musically impressive, but dislikes the lyrical content (surprise!), and he flat out ignored Kate Bush in a conversation because he refused to “dress up our highly technical discussion in flowery girlie talk for her benefit”. Wow, not only is this guy is a raging crank and a bigot, he was a dick to Kate Bush. He can fall into ditch of Legos and remain there for all eternity.

Brooked

11 years ago

After hearing Nelson Madela, I’m going to stop wallowing in crazy bigotry for a while. A sad day.

kittehserf

11 years ago

Vale President Mandela, travel well.

cloudiah

11 years ago

The anti-Apartheid movement was my first intro to political activism, and I still remember where I was when I found out Mandela was getting out of prison.

Bina

11 years ago

Just to spite Simon the Bigot:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg-8Jxi5aE&w=480&h=360]

RIP, Madiba.

LBT

11 years ago

I am so bummed to hear about Mandela. He seemed such a fixture, I have a hard time BELIEVING the dude actually died. 🙁

RE: Argenti

I’ve fallen down a reddit rabbit hole about how trans* lesbians can’t exist.

Kate Bornstein, I’m sure, would argue with him. So would my old roommate, come to think of it. (And speaking of Kate Bornstein, guess who SOLD A COMIC TO HER YESTERDAY? 8D)

RE: they socially emasculate males

I really wish that people would stop using emasculate to mean anything but actual emasculation.

Also, unless anyone buys one of the orphaned Spookathon prompts, it looks like I’m ready to go for the cyborg critters for Feminist Borg! Now all that remains is deciding which animals to cyborg first — a kitty, of course, but what about the other? A fishy for Argenti?

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