So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:
If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.
Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.
I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”
But then I started reading the comments.
Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.
As JoshTheAspie put it:
![JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2) ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense. 80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce? permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3) happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier. This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/joshasp.png?resize=527%2C234&ssl=1)
Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.
![uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5) Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection. Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children. permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0) The former would probably cause the latter. permalink source save parent give gold [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20) you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ permalink source save parent give gold [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1) gb2SRS plz. permalink source save parent give gold [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3) Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got? Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie? permalink source save parent give gold [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0) Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/uber.png?resize=525%2C583&ssl=1)
If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.
Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:
As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”
And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:
![Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2) Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men. permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3) Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men. Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/typhon.png?resize=526%2C228&ssl=1)
First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.
And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.
And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?
If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.
EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m, also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”
He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”
EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.
Same thing goes for the conscription thing – men are seen as more autonomous and capable of fighting, and that’s why they are considered to be ideal soldiers. Not because they’re seen as disposable.
I’ll bet this tosser also has a very odd definition of “males who do not employ that agency in a socially useful fashion”.
They’ve elaborated on that point before, I believe. Basically, that means that men are encouraged to use their agency only in a way that is approved by society. Like, for instance, men who don’t use their agency to get a job, go to school, etc. are seen as lesser. But again, this is explained by the fact that men are a default-human class and so they are expected to be the doers, the achievers, etc. That is not a lack of privilege.
“Look at me … I am poor cute fish … Look at my big sad fish eyes … You can’t expect a poor little fish to feed zirself …”
So true! He’s gotten so big, I found some pics from when I first got him and he was like the size of a pea with fins, little cutie is more grape size now (well, very grape sized right this moment as someone begged a few extra brine shrimp out of me!) I’m going to end up needing forceps to feed him when he’s full grown since grown-up-puff food is stuff like small fish and chunks of clam and those don’t fit in pipettes!
FTR, I trained the little one to eat from the pipette (well, that’s not quite true, trained implies here was work involved and he took to it like he takes to water!) — puffers are notorious messy eaters so it makes things easier if I can help ensure he isn’t collecting rotting food in his tank.
Meanwhile, over on http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/a-pig-wearing-lipstick/, Elam is referring to his movement as, “the finest institution of higher education in the world.” (4:58 comment). Are they curing cancer? Probing deep space? Discovering new ways to use energy? Preparing others to do that sort of thing? Really?
scarlettpipstrelle – But don’t you know that terrorizing women and crying about supposed misandry is THE most important field of study? Forget about probing deep space and curing cancer, those help those WIMMENZ, and besides, we should focus on DA MENZ!
I would wager it’s “the finest institution of higher education” in Elam’s opinion because it was created by and serves the only worthy human being in his mind (himself). :/
“they might actually get some work done towards helping the inordinate number of men who are homeless or who commit suicide.”
All men are brothers indeed but are we our brothers’ keepers?
“In other words if Men’s Rights Activists really cared about helping men and not just bashing on women, they’d be feminists.”
You keep on using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means…
You know trowing around idioms* and the Princess Bride quotes doesn’t make you witty.
* If I consider the biblical roots of said idiom it becomes especially ironic.
“All men are brothers indeed but are we our brothers’ keepers?”
If you’re claiming to be part of a movement that fights for men’s human rights, then yeah, you’ve self-appointed yourself to the role. One of the primary points of any social justice movement is that it takes care of the most vulnerable members of its focus demographic.
Trans lesbians don’t exist!? What what!? *panics, runs to bedroom*
My Beloved is GONE!
Or hiding under the covers from the evil lights. Probably never existed though, seems more likely. *mopes*
David may be taking on more than he can handle, Chris3992m (“Unapologetically Cis, Straight, White, NT and Male”) took AP US History and learned poor people exist. He’s a veritable intellectual titan.
Mejas delivers such riveting and insightful commentary that I had to catch my breath.
I’m guessing zie is a joy to be around IRL.
Ah yes, the University of Fucking Their Shit Up. Cleverest of the Clever, and all that jazz.
(Hi to quequoi!)
[squints]
Dafuq does that even mean?
[squints a little harder]
Nope, still can’t make any sense out of it. Anybody got a Fuckhead-to-English dictionary I could borrow?
I can think of a few schools that would like to have a word with him. What does he call it–Confirmation Bias U?
And the “slave privilege” thing? BARF. ALL the barfs.
@Bina I’ve heard that claim before, although not about ALL white people. The argument is usually about white indentured servants, and claims that they were often worked to death because the person holding their debt had a limited time to get maximum use out of them, while black slaves were considered a long-term investment and were thus apparently not worked as hard or treated better or something, so therefore slaves had it better than a handful of white people.
@mejas
So you admit that MRAs are mostly in it for themselves?
Mejas: The MRM (oh, wait, ‘sorry’, the “MHRM”) claims to be about caring for the needs and rights of men, so yes, they’ve pretty much got two choices:
1: Be their brother’s keeper;
2: Be lying, hypocritical douchebags.
Thanks for clarifying for us which it is.
Every time I read some variation of ‘slaves weren’t really that badly off’, I have an unworthy urge to see the writer subjected to it. Not for life – I’m talking twenty years tops. The ‘not all whites were slaveowners’ is almost as bad. I always get the feeling that such people would be more comfortable with my owning my husband than my being married to him.
A good friend of mine once summed it up well: “the crime of slavery in the United States was not that slaves were badly treated, although they certainly were. It was that it existed at all.”
Still scratching my head over that…because I don’t recall hearing a thing about how many indentured servants were actually worked to death, let alone stolen from their homes, force-marched to the sea, imprisoned, shipped across an ocean (which many didn’t survive), yoked, flogged, forcibly “bred” (raped), forced to eat shit (literally), etc.
In other words, this dude is historically illiterate. He would have to be, wouldn’t he?
Of course not. Helping other men would involve work and it’s apparently far easier to simply yell at women for not doing it for you, than to do it yourselves.
I find it really disheartening that it’s the 21st century, and there are still people who don’t think that slavery is bad.
And is mejas pretty much admitting that the MRHM doesn’t exist to help men (“not our brother’s keeper”), but to bash women & feminist (whatever ze’s trying to say with that mangled meme)?
I thought it would be interesting to make that exchange about feminism instead in order to show how terrible Mejas’ comment is.
To clarify, I’m not saying that feminism doesn’t focus on reproductive rights or opposing the culture of abuse against women. I’m just pointing out more evidence that MRAs shouldn’t be considered actual social justice advocates.
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