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Men's Rights Redditors try to call out misogyny, fail (BONUS BIGOTRY: The misogyny caller-outer posts to the White Rights subreddit)

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So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:

If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.

Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.

I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”

But then I started reading the comments.

Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.

As JoshTheAspie put it:

JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2)  ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense.  80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce?      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3)  happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier.  This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.

Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.

uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5)  Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection.  Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0)  The former would probably cause the latter.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20)  you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1)  gb2SRS plz.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3)  Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got?  Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie?      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0)  Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.

If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.

Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:

knucker2 6 points 1 hour ago (7|1)  I agree. I think the phrase "its offensive* is an extremely weak criticism. It's more accurate and more persuasive to criticize this post for being unconstructive, intentionally inflammatory, and poorly communicating his point.  People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking reference and ignore the valuable points about double standards. If you are going to be inflammatory, then at least do it in a way that keeps people on topic. This is distracting.

As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”

And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:

Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2)  Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3)  Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men.  Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...

First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.

And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.

And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.

EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m,  also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”

He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”

EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.

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vaiyt
vaiyt
11 years ago

“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!” – Magus

kittehserf
11 years ago

We don’t have those gadgets in shoe stores here, at least not general ones. If someone needs custom insoles they’re gonna end up at a podiatrist, getting them measured. Otherwise it’s just basic arch support stuff of the Dr Scholl kind from a pharmacy.

I tried one of those machines when I was in Illinois. I wasn’t buying shoes but it was fun to have a play on it. I never could wear standard arch supports, because my feet are flat and roll in (pronation, is that the word?) and arch supports just hurt like hell. I used to rip arched insoles out of my shoes and put flat liners in. Thank goodness for my custom orthotics, that’s all I can say!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I can’ tat and arch support either, but for the opposite reason — nothing besides my socks (and frequently not even them) touches inside my arches, they’re that high. So those arch “supports” just barely touch and it drives me up a wall because I’m so not used to it that it’s downright painful after awhile.

And I roll out, not in, it’s part of what I love about my boots, very hard to roll your ankles when you’ve got leather up to your knees!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I can’t stand (autocorrect)

kittehserf
11 years ago

I wear ankle boots for much the same reason (apart from liking warmth around my ankles in cool weather); they’re good support.

Distraction! There’s a cat squirming around on her back under the kitchen chair and doing Cute. She’s also pushed herself upside down to her bowl and is now looking like “Why won’t someone give me some food so I don’t have to stand up?”

Okay, gotta dash, later!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Yes, go feed the starving kitty before you suffer Cat Anger Consequences!

Unimaginative
11 years ago

Thank goodness for my custom orthotics, that’s all I can say!

+1! Inward pronation (knock-kneed), heel spurs, and plantar fasciitis. And I really, really need the arch support because (based on the sharp pains I periodically experience) my arches are falling.

kittehserf
11 years ago

I had plantar fasciitis too – OW that’s bloody painful. I think I’ve a spur on one of my knees, but heel spurs and knock knees from pronation sounds really nasty.

I’ve had flat feet all my life, as far as I remember.

We were spared Cat Anger Consequences – poor starving cat managed to drag herself upright and eat some nibbies.

Bina
Bina
11 years ago

“A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite and A WOMAN who MORALIZES is usually PLAIN”

And a TROLL who breaks out the ALL FUCKING CAPS to SHOWCASE his MISOGYNY is a BORING FUCKING LOSER.

PS: Mejas, you’re forgiven. Go now, and wank no more.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Wank no more? But how will he survive if he gets bluerageballs?

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

I thought that was what raging on the Internet is for?

kittehserf
11 years ago

But that is ragewank, isn’t it?

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

It’s virtual ragewank! Virtual ragewank doesn’t count. *nod*

kittehserf
11 years ago

Ah, I see.

Just as well. Ragewank plus keyboard … ewww.

Bina
Bina
11 years ago

I’m’a guess he goes through a lot of keyboards. Oy.

kittehserf
11 years ago

No computer repair shop would agree to clean ’em up, that’s for sure.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

As someone who used to work in the orthopedic shoe business, I approve of this conversation.

Also, speaking of shoes, Mir took advantage of me being out cold a few weeks ago and bought us some expensive secondhand boots. They look a bit (but not quite like) these. And now our feet are safe from slush and snow! (Our other shoes right now are some mesh sneakers with holes in them; water goes right through them.)

kittehserf
11 years ago

WHOA those boots are gorgeous!

Way to go, Miranda. Buy ’em good shoes when they’re not looking.

It must be the year for warm footwear to be A Thing: Sir’s finally succcumbed to wearing soft suede ankle-boot thingies that he totally insists aren’t slippers. (No, they’re not Uggs – shudder.)

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Kittehs

They really are. They were $100 secondhand, but they looked practically new, and they’re safe and warm and dry! Man, it’s nice to have good boots. And they are SO COMFY.

Sneak has some pink argyle wool slippers packed in a box somewhere. Zie looks greatly forward to getting to wear them again after our move.

Mejas
Mejas
11 years ago

“PS: Mejas, you’re forgiven.”

I forgive you too.

“Go now, and wank no more.”

With women like you? No problem at all!

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

Oho, Mejas is so clever! Because we are UGLY and not even worth wanking over!

Except he keeps coming back for more. In public, even! I guess Mejas is having a hate-affair with us.

Bina
Bina
11 years ago

Poor Mejas. He thinks he’s a wit, but he’s only half right.

Also, the scent of Jergens lotion is strong with this one.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Mejas thinks the “t” in twit is silent and invisible.

sparky
sparky
11 years ago

Oscar Wilde has another quote for Mejas:

“Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go.”

pecunium
11 years ago

Argeniti:. My limp is pretty imperceptible if you aren’t looking and aren’t in, idk, a related field? Narcissist ex had a chiropractor friend who spotted it. Pecunium, before I did the show and tell, could you tell?

With a bag, and in those boots? Sort of. I don’t know that I would be able to pick you out of a crowd by your walk, but there is a sway to it, could be your back, could be the knees, but you aren’t a dead even walker.