So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:
If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.
Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.
I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”
But then I started reading the comments.
Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.
As JoshTheAspie put it:
![JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2) ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense. 80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce? permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3) happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier. This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/joshasp.png?resize=527%2C234&ssl=1)
Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.
![uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5) Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection. Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children. permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0) The former would probably cause the latter. permalink source save parent give gold [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20) you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ permalink source save parent give gold [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1) gb2SRS plz. permalink source save parent give gold [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3) Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got? Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie? permalink source save parent give gold [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0) Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/uber.png?resize=525%2C583&ssl=1)
If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.
Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:
As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”
And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:
![Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2) Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men. permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3) Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men. Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/typhon.png?resize=526%2C228&ssl=1)
First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.
And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.
And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?
If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.
EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m, also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”
He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”
EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.
“Why does Mejas hate men?”
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself
“R means having a ton of kids with little to no care(like fish and Mosquitos).”
Hey now, some fish put lots of effort into parenting! Google “mouth brooders” if you doubt it!
LBT, et al — aww, a clown fish borg! Thanks guys 🙂 (hilariously, they kinda already are — alpha fish that the rest school around, pretty borg like)
Ok, now to catch up completely. And then to the Mandela thread :'(
Oh for FUCKS sake Mejas, go to hell. Now. But while you’re on the way, think you could drop some of these paper cranes off at my ex-FWB’s brother’s grave? Because men totally just need to “man up” and stop being suicidal, it’s a totally natural and required part of life, just like butterflies need to work to escape to get their wings working.
FUCK YOU!
Ok, now that that’s out of my system…
I’ve been working on a resources section for the Borg, and thus have some links…
“And I suggest starting with military suicides” // “Military suicides are awful. I have a few veterans in my family (all men) who served in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, and the things they suffer being back home are indescribably awful.”
http://servicewomen.org/resources/ — ignore the “women” in the url, they have resources for all active // former service members, including one for people who have served or are expected to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan — http://www.thesoldiersproject.org/ (stole this one from the sidebar here actually)
http://veteranscrisisline.net/Default.aspx — more veteran // active duty resources, including online chat and resources for friends and family
http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html — international suicide hotlines
http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/GetHelp/LifelineChat.aspx — US online suicide chat and hotline number
“I wonder if dumping a cup of hot coffee in his lap is a marker, or a token?”
Waste of coffee!
Why have an MRM? Simple. Because misery loves company, and MRAssholes are pure, unadulterated misery. And they’re desperate for company.
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation because existence is suffering as life is nasty and brutish and short
That’s the mass of people, you dolt. Fixed it for ya.
I have no idea why Mejas wants to play Hobbes/Thoreau quote mashup all of the sudden, but okay:
“Leisure is the mother of three chairs in my house; one for solitude, two for friendship, three for society.”
How is that? Did I make more or less sense than Mejas?
Listing fictional tropes as if they were real-life advice is not really the best kind of defence you can do for your argument, bucko.
Life imitates art far more then art imitates life – Oscar Wilde
yawn
“The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never be sure of who said what” – Oscar Wilde
“Be yourself, everyone else is already taken. Unless you’re an asshole, in which case try to be someone who’s less of an asshole” — Oscar Wilde (the first sentence anyways, maybe)
Oh are we throwing out random Oscar Wilde quotes now?
“It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors.”
-Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray
“All art is quite useless.”
-Oscar Wilde The Picture of Dorian Gray
Kinda sounds like Mr. Wilde wouldn’t be down with using pop culture references to argue for something.
http://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray
Oscar Wilde would probably piss himself laughing at the thought of the MRM and their constant tantrums.
Hey, Mejas:
“Better to keep your mouth shut and have people wonder if you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.”
@hellkell
I bet he would write something satirical (the webster’s definition, not the mra one) about them.
“Is the torrent in spate? He must ford it or swim.
Has the rain wrecked the road? He must climb by the cliff.
Does the tempest cry halt? What are tempests to him? 15
The service admits not a “but” or an “if.”
While the breath’s in his mouth, he must bear without fail,
In the Name of the Empress, the Overland Mail”
The Overland Mail (Rudyard Kipling)
————
“To live on charm, one must be courteous.
To live on others’ love, one must be loveable.
Some get away with murder being beautiful.”
She Bitches About Boys (Marilyn Hacker)
————–
“With sand in my heart and clouds in my head
I thought about us both and the lives we’ve led
From pages in a book and pictures on a screen
We make ourselves like clay from someone else’s dream
Not My Slave (Oingo Boingo)
————
Let’s break the attempt a bit, here’s some Danish poetry.
“Den blaa Nat er saa stille. Jeg ligger søvnløs.
Stilheden vider sig og klinger.
Det er Lyden af tusinde Miles Tomhed.
Det er Rummets Monologer, hvis Ringe mødes med
Tidens tonløse Cirkler.”
=
“The blue night is so silent. I lie sleepless.
The silence expands and clangs.
It is the sound of thousand miles of void.
It is the monologues of space, which rings, meeting
Time’s tuneless circles”
Intereferens (Johannes V. Jensen)
OR THIS ONE, WHICH IS FUCKING BRILLIANT!
det er ikke let
de fleste synes ofte
at det hele simpelthen bliver for meget
og standser midt i deres aktiviteter
fordi det ikke er let at være dem
og hvis bare de andre foretog sig lidt mere
og hvis der bare var lidt mere drøn på dem
så var det ikke altid så nødvendigt
at man selv kørte det hele…
…
=
it’s not easy
most people often think
at everything just gets too much
and they stop during their activities
because it’s not easy being them
and if there was just a bit more spark to everyone else
then it wouldn’t be so neccesary
to do the driving yourself…
….
Dan Turell, For Det er Ikke Let
http://www.post-boks.dk/praediken/det_er_ikke_let.htm
Get a translation of that one somewhere. It’s lovely.
hellkell said:
I would love to see Oscar Wilde rise from his grave and take on the MRM. Teach them what real satire is 🙂
You owe me a cup of coffee, auggz!
RE: serrana
Do we have any reptiles or amphibians among our borg creatures?
Not yet; it’s all been mammals, a bird, and a fish thus far.
RE: wordsp1nner
When you say you’re going to do a Rex cat, do you mean Devon Rex, Cornish Rex, or one of the smaller breads like Selkirk rex?
I honestly hadn’t thought that far ahead; I just meant one of those wrinkly hairless cats, because I thought they’d be a good candidate for Borgdom. Devon Rex is as good as any, I suppose!
RE: Alice
I’d still be amused if kangaroo rats end up being Borged™. *nod*
Well, there’s still one that hasn’t been claimed yet; Brooked I think requested a non-kangaroo rat.
RE: Argenti
Yes! Since you put in so much work to make the site, it seems only fair you get a cyborg clown loach! And there’s still one animal up for grabs; would you like a cyborg puffer or some other fish you really like? And serrana was mentioning a reptile or amphibian…
Anybody got a Fuckhead-to-English dictionary I could borrow? I am so stealing this
Thanks LBT! I agree that turtles are cute, and puff’s a green spotter puffer if you go that route, but idk if I have much of an opinion on this one, my insomniac brain is too fried.
Why yes, yes we do.
Argenti, I loved that video you put in the other thread. Fascinating and sort of disturbing, in the sense of “What would I think the shop was aiming at, if I saw the mannequins with no context?”
Oooh, that leopard gecko is lovely!
Kitteh — out of context I think I’d still be pleased. But I could model supposedly, until I take my shirt off. My back is nowhere near as bad as hers, but the curve is obvious without a shirt to cover it. So there’s a certain “people with spines more twisted than mine can be suitable models? So my topless form isn’t too bizarre?” (Also, holy fuck the amount of pain she must be in)