Oh, Reddit! Why must you be so Reddity? As a reminder of how deeply shitty Reddit can be even outside the confines of the Men’s Rights and Red Pill and related subreddits, consider the following comment from AskReddit, in which a RedPiller responded to another comment trying to summarize the “Red Pill Philosophy” for those unfamiliar with it.
Cyralea, a dedicated Red-Pill popper himself, took issue with the notion that Red Pillers are angry. (Gosh, why would anyone think that?) “Some are, certainly,” he wrote. “Particularly former betas who are recovering and are just discovering the nature of the world.”
But, he added,
The philosophy follows that one shouldn’t be any more angry at a women for her behaviours than one gets mad at a dog for chewing things up. We encourage self-improvement and self-respect in light of this newfound information. Some men use the knowledge to pursue sex, but others use it within their relationships/marriages. Alpha behaviours lead to healthier, stronger relationships. The women we date end up more satisfied in the long run, so both parties benefit.
I think it’s easy to get distracted by the angry people in /r/theredpill. There has been a recent influx of subscibers, so there’s been a little more angst than usual. The philosophy absolutely doesn’t hinge on anger though, though the language used may suggest such.
Emphasis added. As of this moment, this comment has a net 7 upvotes, 11 upvotes and 4 downvotes. That’s right: 11 Redditors saw this comment suggesting that women are like dogs who chew up sneakers and thought, “I’d better reward this bit of timeless wisdom! UPVOTE!”
In a followup comment, Cyralea tried to explain why the word “bitch” pops up so frequently on the Red Pill subreddit. Amongst Red Pillers, he noted, “bitches” is
literally interchangeable with “women”. It does not have the negative connotation when used there, again the same way 4Chan uses “fag”. I can understand how this seems aggressive.
Oh, “bitches” is like “fags.” Well then, no problem, use the word all you want, my dear fellow!
The mods removed this followup comment (though it’s still visible in his comment history). Apparently, in AskReddit, explicitly comparing women to female dogs is fine, and will even win you some upvotes, just so long as you don’t actually use a word meaning the same thing.
Thanks to a reader for pointing me to this very Redditty discussion.
if women “acting up” or “not sleeping with me” is to these red pill folks the equivalent of a dog chewing shoes, then is there assholery the same as a cat scratching a new sofa?
just trying to make sense of their logic “brain fries”
No, no, because cats are adorable! That couldn’t be said of any red piller, ever.
Someone who wants a dog should get a dog*. “Dog” and “girlfriend” are not interchangeable characters.
*Except for the ones who seem really angry. They shouldn’t get dogs because they’ll probably abuse them.
Spending any time in a red piller’s company would tempt me to piss on his carpet, though.
why the fascination with ” red pills” anyway? yeah sure in the matrix Neo takes a pill to “free his mind”, but, well i’ll let this
http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6939394/if-the-matrix-was-realistic
say what I want to say.
Oh, it’s a “philosophy” now, is it?
Considering that earlier post on redpillers believing neither dogs nor women have feelings, I’m going to go with no, no they should not get a dog (or a girlfriend, for that matter). A tomagatchi is probably the safest bet.
kittehserf – ironically my (housetrained) puppy did just that over thanksgiving visits; it was hard not to be proud.
Aside – Hi all! I’m a longish-time lurker that (not creepily) has taken a liking to your community. Friendly waves and all that. 🙂
I thought you couldn’t get a date?
Yeah we got a grip.
So, is comparing women to dogs NOT dehumanizing because at least the ladies get to eat at the table?
CN antigay slurs
I think the 4chan usage of ‘fag’ to which Cyralea alludes is the one where it’s used as a suffix meaning “person”, “partisan” or “doer of”. So for example, a channer could post a thread complaining about how straightfags can hold hands in public, but if a gayfag does it he’s “flaunting” it. Another person would chime in complaining about Christfags, and a third poster would gripe about how atheistfags always hijack threads.
The development of this usage likely stemmed from console/competing video game wars, in which -fag has long been used as an insult along the lines of “You’re gay for Nintendo, Nintendofag”. I suspect that when enough partisans “reclaimed” labels following this pattern, the -fag suffix changed meaning accordingly.
(The words “fag” and “faggot” are also thrown around as an insult, but since Cyralea’s claim was that “bitch” wasn’t used as an insult, I assume it was this usage to which ze was referring).
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Of course, Cyralea’s comparison is an inept one. On 4chan, the suffix can be applied to anyone – see “straightfag” in my example above. On redpill, “bitch” remains for women only (afaict). You can’t argue that there’s been a semantic shift in your subculture when the only difference in usage is a more liberal application of the slur.
That explains it!
Funny you should post this, because I’ve just been thinking how it’s not FAIR to paint the red pillers as being arseholes. They just do the same old same old misogyny, without really giving it much thought. It’s Pavlovian – see a woman (or even the word ‘female’) and they start salivating hate. No point getting angry! Spewing hate is just this thing they do.
Actually, given how low an opinion these guys have of women, the comparison is insulting to dogs too.
These guys basically shouldn’t interact with other living creatures at all. If they get lonely they can have a pet rock, but only if they promise not to throw it around too much.
No silly …its because no matter how bad is SOUNDS its not a bad thing. In fact its a good thing!
I think they deserve to be stuck in a room together .(rocks have purposes superior to their “causes’)
Not only have they never had successful relationships with women, they’ve never had a dog.
You know the bit in old-timey country songs where the guy is talking about how his wife and his dog left him? They are that song, except nobody feels sorry for them because it’s obvious why both the wife and the dog left.
Ah, the red pillers; the sensible, non-hateful, realistic arm of the MRM!
in a way they are more odious than in-yr-face misogynists– they can even seem reasonable but in the end, it’s the same pile of poo– women exist primarily to be pretty, young, and pliant sex toys, not people in our own right.
And when we cease to be pretty and young, we must compensate for the loss by kissing ever-more-ass. While their “marketplace value,” of course, never drops. Snort.
Ugh.
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What irritates me is comparing patriarchy to the Matrix was my favourite way of trying to explain it to other privileged males like myself, and these fuckers have come along and stolen my metaphor.
And it was such a good metaphor too. “[The Matrix/Patriarchy] is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work… when you go to church… when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.”
If they got a Tomagotchi they’d just end up throwing it at the wall and breaking it the first time they weren’t getting the result they were hoping for.
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So, did your puppy pee on a red piller’s carpet? That would be cause for pride indeed. 🙂 I take it that’s your puppy in the pic? So cute!
I’m waiting to hear about the red piller whose pet rock left him.