Longtime readers of Man Boobz will have noticed that most of the pickup artists and “game” gurus I write about here are also vociferous slut-shamers.
This might seem a little odd and, well, counterproductive, in that you might expect that men who enjoy having no-strings-attached sex with a large number of women would in fact be kindly disposed towards women who enjoy having no-strings-attached sex with a large number of men.
Sadly, no. In fact, the “game” masters berate these women every chance they get. The best explanations I’ve come up with so far for this curious phenomenon are
- PUAs are hypocritical misogynist douchebags
- They attack “sluts” as a way of dealing with the massive numbers of rejections they get on a regular basis from women they want to fuck.
But now our old friend LaidNYC — the legendary “my seed is liquid gold” dude — has offered his own explanation for why he shames the very sluts he wants to sleep with. It involves an assortment of metaphors, so you know it has to be true.
LaidNYC first assures us that he has the mad skillz necessary to get laid even if all the women in the world suddenly became nuns:
I am an advocate for female virtue by day, but a pussy smashing player by night.
That isn’t a contradiction.
I’m confident in my ability to get laid no matter what the dominant level of female virtue (or lack thereof) in society.
Let’s just assume this is true, for the sake of argument. The question remains: why would a sex-loving dude shame women for doing what he himself loves to do? Well, apparently because the more sex a woman has, the lower quality she is?
If girls become less slutty I’m only helping myself… I’ll be fucking better quality.
I guess women only have a limited number of sex points, and the more partners they have sex with the more points they use up.
Consider a scenario where the harder a lock is to pick, the greater the treasure that lies within. It just so happens I have expert lock-picking skills and I don’t want any chump with a paperclip coming along and getting a share of my gold.
I don’t want it to be easier to get laid.
I want it to be harder.
So this way he gets all the sex gold for himself? You’d think someone whose sperm is already gold wouldn’t really need any more gold, but, you know, metaphors are hard.
Speaking of which, let’s meet the fellows who don’t slut shame, who don’t get any gold at all but are instead reduced to eating cheeseburgers. Off the floor. Which is covered in astroturf.
[S]ome guys aren’t able to compete on this grass, so they want to lay down astroturf. They want girls to be sluttier, not more virtuous. Their answer is not to improve themselves, it is to drag the girls down to their level.
These “non-judgmental” guys are dogs who can’t reach the table to eat so they are trying really hard to convince you to drop all the cheeseburgers on the floor.
So in summary, slut shaming is a kind of alchemy that transforms dirty cheeseburgers into sex gold.
I knew there was a simple explanation!
Nurse sharks are awesome. I have a fondness for them, due to a book of my childhood in which an aquarium worker described his experience scrubbing shark tanks. Needless to say, the nurse sharks were among the most docile; he accidentally SAT ON ONE’S HEAD and its response was to toss him off, swim a little away, and then park itself on the floor again.
RE: ez
What does penis size have to do with anything? I have never noticed a correlation between dick in size and dick in attitude.
RE: La Strega
I’m only twenty-five, but I LOVE Melanie! ‘Glory Glory Psychotherapy’ makes me laugh so hard! (For those who don’t know it, it’s a glorious takedown of Freudian psychology done to the tune of ‘Solidarity Forever.’ It’s AMAZING.) Also, I had no idea that ‘Brand New Key’ was sexual.
RE: Kittehs
Ah, Manboobz. Come for the mocking, stay for Darth Vader playing bagpipes on a unicycle.
You know, for the first time I think someone deserves the curse of Midus.
Happy Thanksgiving USians who celebrate it!
Well I’m forty-five and I still have no freaking clue what Brand New Key was about.
Happy Turkey Day to my fellow USians!
I’m not a fan of the whole ‘Thanksgiving’ thing, but I’ll take any opportunity to have a day for making a big meal and having a dinner party. I actually had my official Ersatz Poultry Consumption Holiday last Friday so that I could roast a bird and have stuffing and green bean casserole with friends before this week sucked everyone into Family Obligation Day. Today, I’m making poultry stock (turkey mostly, but I have a friend who comes over all the time, orders chinese food and would otherwise throw out his chicken wings except that I toss them into the freezer for just this occasion) and I have the makings for festive drinks later.
Enh. Not really doing Thanksgiving, per se, but I’m going to hang out with a friend so I don’t brood. My depression seems to have lifted a bit (thank god!), enough that I don’t feel like I’m walking through sludge, and I want to keep that up.
“I don’t do holidays” is my standard response to anyone who asks. The reason I say ‘do’ instead of ‘celebrate’ is because the latter makes me sound as if I have a philosophical objection to holidays. In fact, I’m just too lazy.
Thinking back to his ‘seed is liquid gold’ claim a while back, it really scares me to think that this guy might actually become a father some day. What if he has a girl? What if any of these douche bags have daughters? Admittedly a boy would be just as damaged by such horrendous attitudes, but at least a boy would considered to have more value beyond his looks. It makes me shudder.
Hey, folks, I’ve got a completely off topic (sorta) question. Does anyone know if there has ever been a demographic survey of MRAs? I know I read somewhere (maybe it was that Maclean’s article) that the ‘movement’ tends to be split largely between older, divorced men and high school/early college age guys, but I was wondering if anyone knew of a more rigorous study, rather than journalistic assertion. I’ve been looking but I’ve not found anything so far.
Speaking of Macleans, did y’all see this? http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/11/27/the-real-danger-for-women-on-campus/
gillyrosebee, there was one on reddit a while back. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1gp2u6/results_from_the_rmensrights_survey/
Then Argenti created one for us. http://manboobz.com/2013/07/17/the-man-boobz-survey-results-are-in/
The Reddit survey I don’t think captures the whole MRA demographic; it’s very much reflective of MRAs on Reddit, which is skewed young and white and techy, though FWIW men’s rights was a little whiter than REddit as a whole. Very few women.
The MRAs who showed up at that Toronto rally were a much older group.
I’m guessing the MRM in general is split between these two demographic groups, a bunch in their teens and early 20s, and a bunch in late 30s-40s-50s.
But then again maybe there are a bunch in their late 20s and early 30s as well, so the demographic is just white dudes 18-50s.
I think the dungeon crawl is the right metaphor for how PUAtypes view sex.
Defeat the monsters; the higher difficulty the monster has, the more points you will get (and should totally brag about). See, here are the leet skills your characters need to succeed so pay $$$ for instruction now. What you say”sexual pressure”? Never heard of it, get out (invective), this is the game.
@David, that’s my sense of it, but I got started working on a blog post that in the meantime expanded into an essay and is continuing to grow. I’d like to get real data if there were some out there, however so far it’s all stuff like the Reddit survey, which has a lot of selection bias.
Speaking of writing, how’s the book project coming along? I appreciate your writing and can’t wait to be able to order a copy!!
Even with the whole romance-novel-hero thing (great description, Kilts&Bagpipes) that term “pussy smashing” says to me this guy wants to hurt women. I can’t see any way to read that as not wanting to cause pain.
I’m’a go ahead and guess that the PUAs skew overwhelmingly younger and inexperienced, while the MRAs skew middle-aged and older, divorced or never married, and bitter.
Burglars and thieves pick locks. These guys are not into consensual sex. That’s why they hate women who freely choose their sexual partners. Women are objects, like a locked trunk to these creeps. They are the inconvenience between these men and what they want; access to a woman’s body against her wishes.
The idea that there are happy straight couples cohabiting and sharing their lives and love without abuse or sexism is unbelievable to guys like this, because the woman being happy and in control of the body she shares ruins their fun. Take abuse and degradation of women out of the sex and these guys lose their boners. It is in everything they write.
Hello! It feels like forever since I posted last. So I’m to take it these guys are angry that they’re being denied special snowflake points by not being the only men ladies will ever sleep with? Such fragile egos.
G’day coffeeyum!
Yup, that pretty much sums them up.
leatapp – exactly. It’s all about rape, however they hedge about the wording.
I was friends with a guy in university–he would have been about 26 at the time, and I’ve only recently realised that he was an MRA. I knew he hated feminists, but oh, I was ok. (I wasn’t identifying as a feminist at that point. I was still under the “hairy-legged man hater” delusion. Damn youth). He didn’t like women who slept around, and don’t even get him started on women’s clothing–or women not wearing shirts. I’ve also got to thinking that I may have “Friend-zoned him”, which may account for why he stopped talking to me once we graduated. I recently ran into someone from our program, who revealed that she knew a lot of girls in our program who had a crush on this guy. I laughed and so did she when I told her I was pretty sure he was an MRA and she dodged a bullet. It’s weird who you’re friends with…
They had a crush on him? Strewth, what did he actually have going for him?
There really needs to be a better zone for these douches than the so-called friendzone. “Orbiting the outer solar system zone” would be a start.
That was also a song by Ray Stevens done several years previously in 1984. Not one of his better-known pieces, so whether Heimel knew about it is an open question.
LOL!!!
I goggled, then I googled. According to Wikipedia, it wasn’t sexual.
She said she wrote it, thinking about learning how to ride a bike with her dad. I feel oddly comforted.
“He’s really not talking about sex. He’s taking about boasting to friends / contemporaries”
This is such a CORE factor in the whole MRA/PUA/Manosphere blergh community.
Even though it’s women they discuss, it’s THEIR FELLOW MEN they want to impress. I can’t stress this enough.
And it all/mostly comes from their jealousy of jocks and/or related teenage shite.
They hope that once they can find the unobtainable perfect 10, she will be the accessory that FI-NAL-LY allows them to sit with the cool kids.
And their ‘standards’ for women are also based on their interpretation of the standards of a 16yo quarterback…Le Sigh.
If only these guys would just retire to a locker room and wave their dicks in front of each other. It’d save so much hassle.