So our old friend Roosh Valizadeh seems to have fully embraced the Matt Forney school of misogynist internet celebrity, posting over-the-top offensive posts in a transparent attempt to gin up controversy and blog traffic. And it’s working: he’s brought an avalanche of well-deserved hate down upon himself. But don’t worry: he’s still got some supporters — not only on his own blog but in the Men’s Rights subreddit.
The post that’s been keeping the servers hosting Roosh’s Return of Kings blog busy lately is a guest post by Tuthmosis with the title “5 Reasons To Date A Girl With An Eating Disorder.”
It’s pretty much as awful as you’d imagine. Reason 1: “Her obsession over her body will improve her overall looks.” Number 2: “She costs less money” because she’ll only order salads at dinner. Hilarious. It’s all so predictably “provocative” it’s not worth quoting in any more detail.
Roosh has responded to the controversy with an, er, “Publisher Response” that was clearly designed to further stir the shit. In it, he claimed that the original post
contains value for men who want to date thin women in America, a country that is currently facing a devastating obesity epidemic, which we recently highlighted with Fat Shaming Week.
He followed this by claiming that Return of Kings wasn’t promoting eating disorders, merely trying to help women struggling with eating disorders find happiness in love:
We are educating our masculine readers not to pass on eating disorder victims just because they have an illness, yet instead of receiving thanks, we’re receiving hate instead. If we all had cancer, and someone wrote an article titled “5 Reasons To Fornicate With A Man Who Has Cancer,” we would spread it far and wide to make fornicating with us a better proposition for women. We would not send death threats or calls for censorship like is happening to us now. I think a bit more graciousness is in order for our unorthodox method of outreach.
As a much less obnoxious internet celebrity once put it:
Despite setting out to offend as many people as possible, Roosh reacted with indignation when he discovered that someone on the Men’s Rights subreddit had dared to suggest that perhaps he had stepped over the line a bit.
https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/403290871854280704
What’s doubly ironic about this tweet is that he actually has a lot of defenders in that thread — and that the thread itself has gotten twice as many downvotes as upvotes. Only a few found the Return of Kings post offensive; the others dismissed it as clickbait — or agreed with it.
One commenter, posting under the name of a famous turn-of-the-twentieth centuryantifeminist and opponent of women’s suffrage, apparently sees Roosh as some sort of heroic defender of anorexic women:
Meanwhile, the ironically named LogicalDebater beamed us this message from his home planet:
And our old friend Demonspawn, quoting from a commenter on Return of Kings, blamed the outrage on fat, ugly feminists jealous because men would rather date thin women.
![Demonspawn [-1] 1 point 21 hours ago (8|7) This comment on the followup article nailed it to the wall: The anger was only thinly veiled by the eating disorder arguments. Ultimately the original article was about accepting women albeit with the benefit that she's thin and won't cost as much, but I think that is the rub. The feminist hate speech directed in the comments and emails to this site was latent anger at a man's desire to date thin women. Since feminism encourages the destruction of female beauty and femininity most feminists have a hatred toward anything that encourages or accepts women for these traits. The hate directed at this site under the guise of "eating disorders" is just that, the article hit a rough nerve with feminists who hate beauty and acceptance when it is defined by men.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/demon.png?resize=525%2C242&ssl=1)
Men’s Rights Activists often complain about being lumped together with pickup artists; here, many of them have chosen to associate themselves with Roosh at his worst.
The greatest human rights movement of the 21st century, folks!
EDIT: Belated thanks to Snork Maiden for pointing me to Roosh’s tweet and the Reddit thread!
Now you’re just making yourself look totally desperate to put Alice in the wrong.
alice,
I can handle criticism, but a complete distortion of what a wrote combined with irrational and hostile accusations lobbed at me for your mistake along with a complete refusal to engage in adult dialogue about it as well as your refusal to admit your were the one in the wrong (as kitteh noted) goes beyond ‘handling criticism.’ You were being a flagrant hostile troll if not a complete and utter drollish child. You wanted your way regardless of how inaccurate you were. You do not play fair. You don’t accuse someone of something they didn’t do because of your own mistake in reading comprehension and then refuse to allow them to explain.
Seriously alice, ignore my posts. You have the opportunity now to stop trolling on this forum, making it all about YOU and just do the adult thing and IGNORE my posts.
To a community that has plenty of neurotypical, disabled, etc. folks? How kind of you. Not.
I’m so confused and intrigued. Wouldn’t that just be a dildo? Or one of those plastic butts for sex? Or did you actually mean “flashlight” not “fleshlight,” like a butt-powered flashlight?
My mind is racing!
Aww, c’mon, Moma, you said this:
Don’t leave us hanging! Divulge these posts where she says she’s a guy! Pleeeeeease?
Because, Alice, if you ignore Mama’s posts, zie can call zerself the winner…
Citation needed!
baileyrenee – From what I know of sex toys off the top of my head, instead of a vaginal-shaped opening, it’s an anus.
Moma: The post prior to the one of mine you responded to was full of trollish intent. It reeked of it, in fact.
Moma: what makes you think you deserve to have a voice here?
And yes, please tell us how you got to Kittehs is guy.
Uh huh.
I wasn’t sure but that’s kinda what I thought Alice, thanks! Although I would think a big plastic butt would be better than a fleshlight anus? I guess those probably get pretty pricey though.
Hey Moma: did you write to David and tell on us?
Yeah, what happened to writing David? I’ve heard he is absolutely not going to be amused.
katz,
You jumped in defending alice, argenti and Cassandra who all accused me of being a racist in their degenerate posts. Either you like being hostile for hostiles sake or you identified with their “cause,” lacking both reading comprehension, critical thinking skills and a non-feral temperament. So yes katz you were indeed accusing me of being a racist and I bet youre so feral in temperament that you didn’t even bother to read my posts to even know what the fuck was going on.
Actually so Alice have YOU written david yet? I see that you’ve erroneously accused me of calling you mentally deficient. Is that not what stupid is? Did you not call me stupid? So does that not make you a hypocrite?
A set of attention-seeking, conflict-provoking disruptive behaviours, coupled with willfull ignorance and deliberate contortions of what others have said.
I’ve been trolling so I know it when I see it.
Thanks for the ‘fleshlight’ explanation. I never heard of that before. Agreed, sex dolls would be perfect solution for Roosh/Doosh and his ilk.
Some of Roosh/Doosh’s blogs are almost how to commit date rape and get away with it. He truly is one of the worst, IMO. Plus he’s so ugly himself both inside and out.
Also, Mona, none of us brought you up.
This was your first comment today: Link
It’s actually pretty obvious that you were still stinging because we said that your phrasing was racist.
This was your next comment: Link
My first post after you began posting today?
No mention of you at all, whether inferred or direct.
It was only when I made my second post that I even mentioned you, albeit indirectly, and it was only because your hatred and verbal diarrhea was getting irking.
Then you directly confronted me, here:
You then accused me of directing the conversation to be all about me here. But the evidence I’ve quoted so far does not support your claim. In fact, your very first post here today passively-aggressively called CassandraSays, Argenti, katz, and myself, among others, as a close-minded hivemind, and in effect, made yourself look like the lone crusader fighting for TRUTH™ and the Non-Politically Correct Way™.
I have the evidence. What do you have?
Yay, you’re still here! I was going to be so sad if you left before emailing David or proving that Kitteh was a guy or showing where I said you were racist! And now showing where I was defending Alice, Argenti, or Cassandra!
In fact I’d been playing Civ for 3 hours straight while you were having your little tantrum, so I only popped in right at the end and made exactly four comments: one suggesting you call the police, one reminding you of the flounce penalty, one linking to a picture of dancing snakes, and one bemused by your misgendering of kitteh.
There, I’ve linked to them all! Which of those said you were a racist?
Is “feral” the new insult? Is it supposedly preferable to be “domesticated”? And why would that be the case? /justasking
You should email David so he can ban all six of them before they ruin the board with meanie pants trolling.
Why does she only capitalizes Cassandra’s name? This has been pointed out before, but it stands out more when she lists half the board in one post.
Finally, I don’t think you read this, but in my second post defending myself the night before, I did address why I found your comment racist.
For purposes of transparency, link to the large post, of which this was one part of six.
So are we cats or vipers? Cat vipers?
MEOW, HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Mona, please link me to the post where I in any way implied that you were mentally deficient.
And yes, I did email David. But I don’t think you’re going to like what the text of the email was.
Can you please explain why you think kittehserf is male? You said you got it from his posts.