Dalrock, a manosphere traditionalist with a great love of charts and statistics and other accoutrements of SCIENCE, has managed to figure out a way to stretch “don’t be so picky, ladies, or you’ll get old and ugly and no man will ever want you” out to 1500 words.
Here are a few of them:
Men foot the searching costs in the marriage and sexual marketplace (MMP & SMP). This means bearing most of the risk of rejection and expending the bulk of the resources to facilitate the process of meeting and getting to know one another.
Oh dear. We’re off to a very unpromising start here.
As the ones who bear the costs of courtship, men have a strong incentive to minimize the number of women they court and the overall duration of time spent in the process. However, as the consumers of courtship, women have an incentive to draw the process out as long as possible and to receive courtship from as many men as possible.
Here’s some surveillance footage of an average American woman being courted by several men.
But now — get this — the ladies are waiting longer to marry!
Just think about what this does to the dude navigating the marriage market hoping to “maximize his Pareto efficiency,” if you know what I mean and I think you do.
He needs to manage risk vs reward. When courting, there are two fundamental risks. These are the risk of wasting resources on the wrong women, and the risk of rejection harming the man’s reputation/MMV.
So watch out, ladies, because if you wait too long, guys are going to decide you’re not much of a bargain!
For a man who is managing the risks of courtship outlined above, the age of a woman is very important. The older a woman is, the more likely it is that she is very picky and/or not seriously looking for a husband.
Exactly! Because women never change their mind because they’re, you know, in a different stage of their life or anything.
Older women also are less attractive from a courtship perspective because they have used up more of their most attractive/fertile years, and while their attractiveness for marriage has declined their expectations for courtship have only increased.
This reminds me of that famous joke, you know, where that woman approaches Winston Churchill at a party and says, “Sir, you are drunk.”
And he replies: “And you, Bessie, have used up your most attractive/fertile years. But I shall be sober in the morning, and you will still have used up your most attractive/fertile years.”
That Churchill, what a card!
Consider the 25% of current early thirties White women who still haven’t married; unless they are terminally unattractive an awful lot of courtship has almost certainly been wasted on them.
Are there really a lot of guys who look back on the women they dated in their twenties and think, “boy, I wasted a lot of courtship on those gals! I mean, I wasted nearly 14 courtship on Jessa alone!” (Also, who knew that the women are always the ones to blame when heterosexual couples in their twenties break up?)
They aren’t just bad bets for courtship today, but (in retrospect) they clearly were bad bets for courtship for the last 15 years. …
Put simply, the extended delay of marriage by women has placed marriage minded men in a dilemma; older women are (generally speaking) known bad bets for courtship, but half of early twenties women are also poor bets for courtship.
Well, you could always marry a dude.
There are only two logical ways men can respond to women’s extension of courtship.
Wait, really? Please, please, please, let one of the ways be “marry a dude.”
The first logical choice is to recognize that these women are debasing marriage, and decide to “court” for sex and not marriage.
Damn. Anyway, sexual relationships are fine, but you are aware that there are other kinds of relationships — sorry, “courting” — besides sex and marriage, right?
Ok, we still have one more. Marry a dude. Marry a dude. Marry a dude.
But while “courting” for sex is a logical choice, it is not a moral choice, and we still do see men courting for marriage. For these men, having a fairly low age cutoff makes a great deal of sense.
That’s your, er, “solution?” Marry a teenager? Or a woman at most in her early twenties?
As Dalrock knows, but doesn’t want to believe, those who marry when they’re very young are much more likely to divorce than those who marry when they’re older. For evidence, see this chart, which I found elsewhere on Dalrock’s own blog:
But hope springs eternal for modern misogynistic manospherian marriage market minded men (MMMMMMM).
This will be by final post on this man hating website. I was unable to respond earlier because I agreed with my girlfriend that I would not post. She had found these posts and was upset with me. In any case this will be my last post. It’s simply an “I told you so post”. Afterwards I have agreed with my girlfriend I will no longer post on these sites as it is doing me no good and is a non-productive waste of my time because I cannot get a single person on this website to glimpse reality let alone acknowledge reality.
You people called me a liar when I told you I was in fact, an attorney with a law practice, making 178k per year, living DIRECTLY on the beach in Los Angeles, CA, driving a high end luxury car, and hooked up with a model material female (in my opinion), far younger than me, with the same BMI height, weight as Kate Moss. Not forgetting the fact I spent a week in a Penthouse in Charlotte, NC with her which had a published rate of $800.00+ per night.
The bitter Spinsters, divorcees, women past their prime who reject nice guys in the prime of their youth, and white knight mangina’s on this website all called me a liar; claiming I was some unattractive low income loser troll in my mother’s basement. Why? Because you emotionally disagreed with me and it sit well with you to know a man of my education, income and means, is in fact the product of a feminist society, who went through involuntary celibacy while observing the behavior of young women in their prime in our post-feminist morally defunct society and is now, highly successful independent male who doesn’t need to date women in their 30’s who spent their twenties with everyone else but me. I am the representation of the consequences of feminism you don’t want to believe exist.
Again, all of you called me a lair and all of you were wrong.
This will be my last post as I have agreed with my girlfriend not to post anything more on this website.
Enjoy your SPINSTERHOOD and denial ladies.
Promise?
LOL LOL I bet Mikey’s really popular if he’s ever in court and carries on with repetitive shouting like he does here.
NOTE: Lest anyone be tempted to take Michael’s “last post” altogether seriously, I should note that many of the deleted comments in this thread contained ample evidence of Michael lying about all sorts of things.
I should also note that he tried to post here recently with a sockpuppet account under the name of “Jim.”
His IP — well, the one he was using earlier — does suggest he may indeed LIVE ON THE BEACH, though not literally in Los Angeles. In the Los Angeles metro area. And if Qwerty did decide to stick with him, that he does indeed have a thin girlfriend in her 30s who (from all indications) could do a LOT better than him. Like, seriously, a LOT.
Well, at least he admitted that he’s a lair (but of what? dun dun dun!)
Piss off, Mikey, you pathetic asshole.
Cloudiah, it’ll be his last post. He’s banned, but I let through this post for old times sake.
Heh. He doesn’t fit the slang meaning of lair – a flashy show-off (he’s got the show-off, but I bet he’s a sartorial disaster).
He could well be a lair in the old sense of a tomb.
What I find funny is that Mikey never gets that he’s being laughed at. You’d think a lawyer would be better at reading comprehension.
Maybe he’s got too much sand in his eyes and ears from living DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH.
This is the only downside of Qwerty’s comments being deleted – Michael seems to think he can use the fact that they’re no longer here to make it seem like she never called him out on his bullshit, and she totally co-signs everything he’s been waffling about.
snortgigglechoke
He’s a lair into which any woman unfortunate enough to wander may never emerge. I hope Qwerty already decided to DTMFA.
I hope MIkey’s “she found these posts and was upset with me” is dudebullshit for “that was the final straw and she’s kicked my miserable arse to the kerb”.
Volcano lairs are the best lairs. Think how much you’d save on power bills.
Ah, Mikey. Pathetic ’til the end, I see.
Nthing everyone about Qwerty. I hope she dumped this pompous, laughable, willfully-ignorant pissant.
Kim – the cooling bills could be scary if the thing started acting up, though! 😛
I wonder how many cases Mikey loses because of his obtuseness? I can’t imagine yelling MY ASSFAX SAYS IT’S SO is going to impress anyone.
It’s funny how he can’t see that having lots of money and a place DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH doesn’t mean you can’t also be an arsehole and a loser.
They aren’t mutually exclusive Mikey.
I love the way living DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH (even though David shows he doesn’t) is supposed to impress anyone. I mean, okay, so he pays through the nose for his property? Big deal. I don’t even like beaches much, and I can’t say LA would be my first choice of places to live in the US (no offence, LA persons, I’d just rather live on the east coast and somewhere not so car-dependent).
It’s like someone bragging they live in Toorak, here. Yeah, big fucking deal, so do a lot of drug dealers.
Auggz – oh noes, that means Mikey’s a SPINSTER!
I would really, really like to know how Mikey managed to pass the LSAT. From what he’s written here, he has absolutely no grasp of logic, reasoning, evidence, or even how to make a coherent argument.
And I still feel sorry for the judges he argues in front of. And his client. And the opposing attorneys and their clients. And the jury. Basically, I feel sorry for anyone who is in the same room or same general vicinity as Mikey.
Imagine the rant if a traffic cop wanted him to give way to another car … especially if the traffic cop was a woman.
It’s like he hits CTRL V every time he writes.
A day or two ago in one of the other threads there was a discussion about using the word “stupid” as an insult. Someone in that thread said something about IQ really not measuring intelligence or how smart a person is, but how that person would do in school. Mikey’s a perfect illustration of that. Someone who’s managed to go through the required schooling to be a lawyer, but who’s as dense as a ton of bricks.
Hey, big baller shot caller. This is still the most pathetic thing out of all the pathetic things Mikey has written.
I can honestly say I’d rather stay in hostel in NYC than what passes for a penthouse in Charlotte.
I keep wondering what proof there is that he’s a lawyer. We can’t read Qwerty’s posts now, but I remember her saying how he lied and deceived her about other stuff, so unless she saw evidence of it, who’s to say it isn’t a bullshit story?
I think I remember her saying that he was a lawyer. But, who knows? Liars tend to lie about all kinds of things.