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Dalrock on why men should avoid women who’ve wasted “a lot of courtship” and “used up their most attractive/fertile years.”

Woman with surplus courtship
Woman with surplus courtship

Dalrock, a manosphere traditionalist with a great love of charts and statistics and other accoutrements of SCIENCE, has managed to figure out a way to stretch “don’t be so picky, ladies, or you’ll get old and ugly and no man will ever want you” out to 1500 words.

Here are a few of them:

Men foot the searching costs in the marriage and sexual marketplace (MMP & SMP).  This means bearing most of the risk of rejection and expending the bulk of the resources to facilitate the process of meeting and getting to know one another.

Oh dear. We’re off to a very unpromising start here.

As the ones who bear the costs of courtship, men have a strong incentive to minimize the number of women they court and the overall duration of time spent in the process.  However, as the consumers of courtship, women have an incentive to draw the process out as long as possible and to receive courtship from as many men as possible.

Here’s some surveillance footage of an average American woman being courted by several men.

But now — get this — the ladies are waiting longer to marry!

Just think about what this does to the dude navigating the marriage market hoping to “maximize his Pareto efficiency,” if you know what I mean and I think you do.

He needs to manage risk vs reward.  When courting, there are two fundamental risks.  These are the risk of wasting resources on the wrong women, and the risk of rejection harming the man’s reputation/MMV.

So watch out, ladies, because if you wait too long, guys are going to decide you’re not much of a bargain!

For a man who is managing the risks of courtship outlined above, the age of a woman is very important.  The older a woman is, the more likely it is that she is very picky and/or not seriously looking for a husband.

Exactly! Because women never change their mind because they’re, you know, in a different stage of their life or anything.

Older women also are less attractive from a courtship perspective because they have used up more of their most attractive/fertile years, and while their attractiveness for marriage has declined their expectations for courtship have only increased.

This reminds me of that famous joke, you know, where that woman approaches Winston Churchill at a party and says, “Sir, you are drunk.”

And he replies: “And you, Bessie, have used up your most attractive/fertile years. But I shall be sober in the morning, and you will still have used up your most attractive/fertile years.”

That Churchill, what a card!

Consider the 25% of current early thirties White women who still haven’t married;  unless they are terminally unattractive an awful lot of courtship has almost certainly been wasted on them.

Are there really a lot of guys who look back on the women they dated in their twenties and think, “boy, I wasted a lot of courtship on those gals! I mean, I wasted nearly 14 courtship on Jessa alone!” (Also, who knew that the women are always the ones to blame when heterosexual couples in their twenties break up?)

They aren’t just bad bets for courtship today, but (in retrospect) they clearly were bad bets for courtship for the last 15 years. …

Put simply, the extended delay of marriage by women has placed marriage minded men in a dilemma;  older women are (generally speaking) known bad bets for courtship, but half of early twenties women are also poor bets for courtship.

Well, you could always marry a dude.

There are only two logical ways men can respond to women’s extension of courtship.

Wait, really? Please, please, please, let one of the ways be “marry a dude.”

The first logical choice is to recognize that these women are debasing marriage, and decide to “court” for sex and not marriage.

Damn. Anyway, sexual relationships are fine, but you are aware that there are other kinds of relationships — sorry, “courting” — besides sex and marriage, right?

Ok, we still have one more. Marry a dude. Marry a dude. Marry a dude.

But while “courting” for sex is a logical choice, it is not a moral choice, and we still do see men courting for marriage.  For these men, having a fairly low age cutoff makes a great deal of sense.

That’s your, er, “solution?” Marry a teenager? Or a woman at most in her early twenties?

As Dalrock knows, but doesn’t want to believe, those who marry when they’re very young are much more likely to divorce than those who marry when they’re older. For evidence, see this chart, which I found elsewhere on Dalrock’s own blog:

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But hope springs eternal for modern misogynistic manospherian marriage market minded men (MMMMMMM).

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

If Mikey ever got anywhere near kittehs’ “gates”, this is what would happen.

Actually that goes for all of us.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Women don’t “owe” anyone sex. They “owe” it to themselves, society and the future babies of this world do do the right thing. It’s that simple. When you ignore winners, when you say the nice guy is a creep and the creep is the nice guy, when you fuck 50 losers, become a single mother, or beat the odds and marry an innocent victim at 30 before your looks slide off a cliff, initiate divorce, falsely accuse men of stalking or domestic violence, take half or more of his assets, extort him for child support and alimony, so can you dress up in trendy clothes, buy 100 pairs of shoes, get a bod job and and PRETEND than you’re a “successful independent women”, all your doing is hurting nice guys, stealing from taxpayers, greasing the wheels of the corrupt legal system, ruining children’s lives, rewarding evil and proving women’s equality is a mistake..

Mikey, why the fuck do you care about any of this, even if it is as commonplace as you seem to think it is? You’ll never even meet the majority of the women you’re passing this stupid judgment on and trying to “warn” with the worst fucking advice ever. Luckily for us, we all have minds of our own and don’t care what you think. And so do all the women you’re aiming your lectures at. Give it up, already…LOSER.

I don’t need to “make” anyone have sex with me. Least of all my girlfriend. Perhaps you missed that part while you were busy seeing what you wanted to see. I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND.

COOL STORY, BRO. STOP YELLING. YOU SOUND LIKE A RAGING PSYCHOPATH.

I would never personally do this.

And yet, you knew where to look for that pimp agency. You fucking hypocrite.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Oooh, I nearly made Mikeykins puke? WIN!

Nah…400+ is just when we are starting to get wise to the ways of the world, it takes a good 2000 years until we are actually ripe.

Crumbs, my guy must be an early developer! 😛

Okay, train time for me, I’ll leave you all to swat the chewtoy around. Later!

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

My emphasis:

…beat the odds and marry an innocent victim at 30 before your looks slide off a cliff, initiate divorce, falsely accuse men of stalking or domestic violence, take half or more of his assets…

Yet more proof that Michael can’t conceive of women owning money, just being kept with their husband’s money. This is why he thinks “spinsterhood” is such a dire threat, and why Cassandra’s question about an unmarried woman owning the sort of property he (supposedly) owns wouldn’t even make any sense to him. Here’s a clue, pal: if they were married, it was their money. You’d think a lawyer would be able to figure that out.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Especially one who claims to live in a community property state.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Mikey probably spends a lot of time talking to his hand.

…among other intimacies, assisted by Jergens lotion and sweatsocks.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

When you ignore winners, when you say the nice guy is a creep and the creep is the nice guy, when you fuck 50 losers, become a single mother, or beat the odds and marry an innocent victim at 30 before your looks slide off a cliff, initiate divorce, falsely accuse men of stalking or domestic violence, take half or more of his assets, extort him for child support and alimony, so can you dress up in trendy clothes, buy 100 pairs of shoes, get a bod job and and PRETEND than you’re a “successful independent women”, all your doing is hurting nice guys, stealing from taxpayers, greasing the wheels of the corrupt legal system, ruining children’s lives, rewarding evil and proving women’s equality is a mistake..

I have to admit this one amazing (and amazingly long) sentence. You manage to hit every MRA talking point in one awkward fell swoop, before crashing into the ground below.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

He even included the famous MRA double period!

kittehserf
10 years ago

I wonder if it’s ever passed through his mighty lawyerly brain that women pay taxes?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

He really is the junior Meller, and it’s hilarious. Long may he shriek.

FromAfar
FromAfar
10 years ago

My favorite part is “stealing from taxpayers”. Cause no women pay taxes on anything ever. I certainly don’t. Especially not when I bought all of those shoes (that I actually don’t have). Or when I pay property tax on my home and my rental properties…

I’d be willing to bet his default ‘taxpayer’ is a straight white dude -_-

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
10 years ago

Ninja’ed by kitteh 😀

Robert
Robert
10 years ago

Wait. I just realized.

How much do pro dommes charge for ‘feminist abuse online’?

And Mikey’s been getting it here for free?!

What a trickster.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ auggz

Seriously, that part reminds me of a short lived ex. I couldn’t even look at a black dude in public without him spinning into a jealous rage! Spelled the end of that shit fest of a relationship, especially since several of my friends and coworkers are black and male.

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

He lives in a Gorean or Ayn Randian fantasy world or both, people. The reality that women are actual human beings who do own property and pay taxes and deserve the right of self-determination do not fit within his fantasy world. He is what we call in some circles…deluded.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Seriously, I think we should send Michael a fruit basket in recognition of the entertainment he’s provided us with.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
10 years ago

“Seriously, I think we should send Michael a fruit basket in recognition of the entertainment he’s provided us with.”

http://media.screened.com/uploads/1/12920/497269-fruitsbasket_new002.jpg

DONE!

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

@cassandra Would a flaming bag full of dog shit on his front porch suffice in lieu of a basket of fruit? Because that is exactly what I think of his contribution to this blog.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

I have to admit this one amazing (and amazingly long) sentence. You manage to hit every MRA talking point in one awkward fell swoop, before crashing into the ground below.

Dude fell out of the Stoopid Tree and hit every branch on the way down.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

I can’t believe he keeps coming back for more. But I like it.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Let’s encourage him. Michael, please explain what made you think that auggziliary must be a spinster, and why you believe she’s lying about her age.

Also please explain what a “bod job” is.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

I can’t believe he keeps coming back for more. But I like it.

Given that he drops a lot of money, like thousands (or so he says) on chicks in platforms, and that he linked to a dominatrix specializing in “feminist abuse”, I’m guessing he’s a card-carrying masochist. And he’s looking for a free, um, RIDE.

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

“Given that he drops a lot of money, like thousands (or so he says) on chicks in platforms, and that he linked to a dominatrix specializing in “feminist abuse”, I’m guessing he’s a card-carrying masochist. And he’s looking for a free, um, RIDE.”

I was thinking the same thing.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Also how the hell is 30+ a mans peak? That’s usually when men start to go “downhill”, health wise, and 30 was sort of old. A 20 year old dude would be way better. Far less risky. Much more healthy and agile. Less likely to get weak in a few years or have illnesses. Also they have higher fertility. Also way cuter, IMO.
(Btw I don’t actually buy into evo psych. It’s just fun to apply their caveman logic to their lives).

He never did address my pertinent questions about andropause and Viagra. Or “Just for Men” hair dye, either. I feel so unloved. >sniff<

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