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Dalrock on why men should avoid women who’ve wasted “a lot of courtship” and “used up their most attractive/fertile years.”

Woman with surplus courtship
Woman with surplus courtship

Dalrock, a manosphere traditionalist with a great love of charts and statistics and other accoutrements of SCIENCE, has managed to figure out a way to stretch “don’t be so picky, ladies, or you’ll get old and ugly and no man will ever want you” out to 1500 words.

Here are a few of them:

Men foot the searching costs in the marriage and sexual marketplace (MMP & SMP).  This means bearing most of the risk of rejection and expending the bulk of the resources to facilitate the process of meeting and getting to know one another.

Oh dear. We’re off to a very unpromising start here.

As the ones who bear the costs of courtship, men have a strong incentive to minimize the number of women they court and the overall duration of time spent in the process.  However, as the consumers of courtship, women have an incentive to draw the process out as long as possible and to receive courtship from as many men as possible.

Here’s some surveillance footage of an average American woman being courted by several men.

But now — get this — the ladies are waiting longer to marry!

Just think about what this does to the dude navigating the marriage market hoping to “maximize his Pareto efficiency,” if you know what I mean and I think you do.

He needs to manage risk vs reward.  When courting, there are two fundamental risks.  These are the risk of wasting resources on the wrong women, and the risk of rejection harming the man’s reputation/MMV.

So watch out, ladies, because if you wait too long, guys are going to decide you’re not much of a bargain!

For a man who is managing the risks of courtship outlined above, the age of a woman is very important.  The older a woman is, the more likely it is that she is very picky and/or not seriously looking for a husband.

Exactly! Because women never change their mind because they’re, you know, in a different stage of their life or anything.

Older women also are less attractive from a courtship perspective because they have used up more of their most attractive/fertile years, and while their attractiveness for marriage has declined their expectations for courtship have only increased.

This reminds me of that famous joke, you know, where that woman approaches Winston Churchill at a party and says, “Sir, you are drunk.”

And he replies: “And you, Bessie, have used up your most attractive/fertile years. But I shall be sober in the morning, and you will still have used up your most attractive/fertile years.”

That Churchill, what a card!

Consider the 25% of current early thirties White women who still haven’t married;  unless they are terminally unattractive an awful lot of courtship has almost certainly been wasted on them.

Are there really a lot of guys who look back on the women they dated in their twenties and think, “boy, I wasted a lot of courtship on those gals! I mean, I wasted nearly 14 courtship on Jessa alone!” (Also, who knew that the women are always the ones to blame when heterosexual couples in their twenties break up?)

They aren’t just bad bets for courtship today, but (in retrospect) they clearly were bad bets for courtship for the last 15 years. …

Put simply, the extended delay of marriage by women has placed marriage minded men in a dilemma;  older women are (generally speaking) known bad bets for courtship, but half of early twenties women are also poor bets for courtship.

Well, you could always marry a dude.

There are only two logical ways men can respond to women’s extension of courtship.

Wait, really? Please, please, please, let one of the ways be “marry a dude.”

The first logical choice is to recognize that these women are debasing marriage, and decide to “court” for sex and not marriage.

Damn. Anyway, sexual relationships are fine, but you are aware that there are other kinds of relationships — sorry, “courting” — besides sex and marriage, right?

Ok, we still have one more. Marry a dude. Marry a dude. Marry a dude.

But while “courting” for sex is a logical choice, it is not a moral choice, and we still do see men courting for marriage.  For these men, having a fairly low age cutoff makes a great deal of sense.

That’s your, er, “solution?” Marry a teenager? Or a woman at most in her early twenties?

As Dalrock knows, but doesn’t want to believe, those who marry when they’re very young are much more likely to divorce than those who marry when they’re older. For evidence, see this chart, which I found elsewhere on Dalrock’s own blog:

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But hope springs eternal for modern misogynistic manospherian marriage market minded men (MMMMMMM).

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kittehserf
10 years ago

I wonder if Mikey has any memories of joyful sex? Or joyful anything, for that matter? Has he ever been happy? Evidence so far suggests no to all three.

Not that I feel any pity for him, because it seems entirely self-inflicted.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Mikey probably spends a lot of time talking to his hand.

leatapp
leatapp
10 years ago

Thanks, Kittenserf.
You all rock my socks off.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I can’t believe Mikey tried to give us the “talk to the hand” over the internet. What a maroon.

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

I doubt Mikey has ever had any sort of meaningful relationship or friendship with either gender ever.

Guys like him just do not seem to understand anything about cultivating character and building relationships and friendship…it is all about them, and like the toddlers they are, they think everyone should cater to them.

Welcome to reality, Mikey. People are not here to mommy you, you need to just grow the fuck up.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

I honestly don’t know what your talking about. It’s on DALROCK. I did NOT post anything on Reddit or any site which is sexist .

This made me chuckle. Why DO you capitalize CERTAIN words? It doesn’t MAKE sense which ONES you chose.

Besides what’s your story David? What’s up with this blog? What’s your motivation for this forum?Are you just here to support whatever women define for you as correct or are you just the Urban Dictionary’s Definition of a Cuckhold? Which is it? Just wondering..

What’s up with this weak call out? Cuckhold? Not even CUCKOLD? I guess it’s not that much fun yelling at a man when there are women to squawk at.

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

I doubt Mikey is able to discern that he isn’t anywhere near the peak…he isn’t even near the fucking base camp if you ask me.

leatapp
leatapp
10 years ago

Welcome to reality, Mikey. People are not here to mommy you, you need to just grow the fuck up.

Quoted for truth

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Not even the best sherpa could get Mikey to the peak.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
10 years ago

Speaking as a character in a Jane Austen novel, I cannot disapprove with sufficient vehemence to the use of the words sp*nster or c*ckh*ld. For shame! This Michael is clearly a ne’er-do-w*ll of the first water.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

I’m still not seeing what’s so alpha about shrieking at women on feminist blogs in a futile attempt to force them to care about your opinion.

Well, it might be alpha in the world of poop-flinging baboons and howler monkeys, but among humans it will get you looked at like you’re unevolved. Maybe he’s the Missing Link?

While I was out walking my dog, I realised why Mikey commented on dog walking as a spinster activity rather than the traditional cat ownership. It’s because sole reason women walk dogs is the same as going to the supermarket – to meet men! It was in a movie once, so it must be true.

Oh dang, you mean that when I had a dog, I did it wrong by just taking him out for exercise and to poop? Because mine was a big shepherd/husky cross who looked like the love child of a timber wolf and a grizzly bear. Looked fierce, but was a total suck. The only males who came near me when I walked him were little kids, who all wanted to hug my “doggie”. They weren’t fooled. Grown men, on the other hand, just passed me with a nervously respectful hello and a wide berth around the dog…and I was lucky to get that much out of them. I just have to laugh. My dog might have licked them to death, but that’s about it. My cats, on the other hand, were always the real rulers of the roost.

I had to actually venture to Reddit to see it for myself. Mikey’s a celebrity and hero to men everywhere, thanks to his experience story.

That must be why he’s so shrieky here. Celebriturds and their entitlements…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Now I want to know what a “bod job” is.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

@ Cassandra’s Kitty

She is not 18. Nobody 18 could be that stupid and brainwashed…

Unless things are actually WORSE in this society.then I’ve imagined in my worst nightmares…

I missed this earlier. Yup, the SPINSTER APOCALYPSE is even worse than you and Dalrock have imagined. Auggz foretells our collective doom! Look on Manboobz’ works, ye mighty, and despair!

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Nobody 18 could be that stupid and brainwashed…

…says the stupid, brainwashed man over 30.

Pitiful.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

There must be a band somewhere called Spinster Hitler. It has to happen.

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

@auggz I’ll take that bet and bet you $20 that he is an Ayn Rand fan.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

She is not 18. Nobody 18 could be that stupid and brainwashed…

Oh dear. D’you hear that, auggzillary? Mikey from the Internet knows how old you are and you don’t because Mikey from the Internet would know better than the actual person who actually is having those birthdays.

Holy fucking shit. I really didn’t anyone could be that stupid. Applause for you Mikey. Congratulations. This is the stupidest comment I have ever read, ever. You win the the stupid contest, Mikey.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Now I want to know what a “bod job” is.

So do I, but I doubt Sir Bodsworth’s going to tell us.

MIkey’s more peaky than peak.

I wonder if he meant cockhold rather than cuckhold? I know there’s no such word but gods, would it apply to him.

SPINSTER MEGA SLUT – girly death metal band?

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“I really didn’t think anyone could be that stupid.”

OMG! The stupid is catching!

kittehserf
10 years ago

I think Shrieky Mikey’s out to win Troll of the Year. He’s certainly more persistently bizarre and lulzy than any we’ve had in ages.

kittehserf
10 years ago

auggz – nah, 400+ is when they start to peak. 😉

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

And by the way you almost made me throw up all over my keyboard. For a second I imagined the words “my gates” instead of “any gates”. You FOOL.

You’re dressed in a Dr. Doom costume, right? You can’t say “you FOOL” if you aren’t in villain costume and waving your gloved fist in the air. It’s poor form.

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

Nah…400+ is just when we are starting to get wise to the ways of the world, it takes a good 2000 years until we are actually ripe.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“Well, Mikey, if we’re the gatekeepers, then sucks to be you, because you’re not gonna be getting past any gates. We don’t owe you sex”

Actually your wrong.

Oh, so very wrong. Thank you MRM

I don’t need to “make” anyone have sex with me. Least of all my girlfriend. Perhaps you missed that part while you were busy seeing what you wanted to see. I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND.

You’re a liar, Mikey. Lying isn’t very moral. If you were having lots of sex with your hot Kate Moss-like girlfriend, you wouldn’t be spewing rage over the comment section of a blog night after night.

Why haven’t you answered any of my questions? You are miserable, aren’t you? You are afraid of being a spinster, aren’t you? And you are filled with rage from having your ass so consistently handed to you by a bunch of people who consider contemptuous. Right? I’m right, aren’t I?

And Susan Walsh from that “Hooking Up Smart” blog, that you held up as evidence of you being right, directly contradicted you. You going to acknowledge that?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Auggz is actually 72. That’s why she’s the ultimate spinster.

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