Dalrock, a manosphere traditionalist with a great love of charts and statistics and other accoutrements of SCIENCE, has managed to figure out a way to stretch “don’t be so picky, ladies, or you’ll get old and ugly and no man will ever want you” out to 1500 words.
Here are a few of them:
Men foot the searching costs in the marriage and sexual marketplace (MMP & SMP). This means bearing most of the risk of rejection and expending the bulk of the resources to facilitate the process of meeting and getting to know one another.
Oh dear. We’re off to a very unpromising start here.
As the ones who bear the costs of courtship, men have a strong incentive to minimize the number of women they court and the overall duration of time spent in the process. However, as the consumers of courtship, women have an incentive to draw the process out as long as possible and to receive courtship from as many men as possible.
Here’s some surveillance footage of an average American woman being courted by several men.
But now — get this — the ladies are waiting longer to marry!
Just think about what this does to the dude navigating the marriage market hoping to “maximize his Pareto efficiency,” if you know what I mean and I think you do.
He needs to manage risk vs reward. When courting, there are two fundamental risks. These are the risk of wasting resources on the wrong women, and the risk of rejection harming the man’s reputation/MMV.
So watch out, ladies, because if you wait too long, guys are going to decide you’re not much of a bargain!
For a man who is managing the risks of courtship outlined above, the age of a woman is very important. The older a woman is, the more likely it is that she is very picky and/or not seriously looking for a husband.
Exactly! Because women never change their mind because they’re, you know, in a different stage of their life or anything.
Older women also are less attractive from a courtship perspective because they have used up more of their most attractive/fertile years, and while their attractiveness for marriage has declined their expectations for courtship have only increased.
This reminds me of that famous joke, you know, where that woman approaches Winston Churchill at a party and says, “Sir, you are drunk.”
And he replies: “And you, Bessie, have used up your most attractive/fertile years. But I shall be sober in the morning, and you will still have used up your most attractive/fertile years.”
That Churchill, what a card!
Consider the 25% of current early thirties White women who still haven’t married; unless they are terminally unattractive an awful lot of courtship has almost certainly been wasted on them.
Are there really a lot of guys who look back on the women they dated in their twenties and think, “boy, I wasted a lot of courtship on those gals! I mean, I wasted nearly 14 courtship on Jessa alone!” (Also, who knew that the women are always the ones to blame when heterosexual couples in their twenties break up?)
They aren’t just bad bets for courtship today, but (in retrospect) they clearly were bad bets for courtship for the last 15 years. …
Put simply, the extended delay of marriage by women has placed marriage minded men in a dilemma; older women are (generally speaking) known bad bets for courtship, but half of early twenties women are also poor bets for courtship.
Well, you could always marry a dude.
There are only two logical ways men can respond to women’s extension of courtship.
Wait, really? Please, please, please, let one of the ways be “marry a dude.”
The first logical choice is to recognize that these women are debasing marriage, and decide to “court” for sex and not marriage.
Damn. Anyway, sexual relationships are fine, but you are aware that there are other kinds of relationships — sorry, “courting” — besides sex and marriage, right?
Ok, we still have one more. Marry a dude. Marry a dude. Marry a dude.
But while “courting” for sex is a logical choice, it is not a moral choice, and we still do see men courting for marriage. For these men, having a fairly low age cutoff makes a great deal of sense.
That’s your, er, “solution?” Marry a teenager? Or a woman at most in her early twenties?
As Dalrock knows, but doesn’t want to believe, those who marry when they’re very young are much more likely to divorce than those who marry when they’re older. For evidence, see this chart, which I found elsewhere on Dalrock’s own blog:
But hope springs eternal for modern misogynistic manospherian marriage market minded men (MMMMMMM).
I would say there was a bit of stoner philosophy going on too (women are, like, a total paradox, dude), but Mikey is way too high-strung.
I mean on the one hand they kind of look like people and they’re allowed to vote and stuff, right? But on the other hand, they’re women! Women who don’t seem to understand how impressed they should be by my condo at the beach. I ask you, is that not totally confusing?
See, they’re a paradox.
It’s the Mikey paradox. The more he talks about how great he is, the better being single looks.
Wait, that’s not a paradox. That’s just common sense.
I suspect it’d be a waste of weed if Mikey ever tried it. Can you imagine him mellowing out? I can’t. He’d try it and then start sceaming THIS WEED IS NO GOOD IT’S TOO OLD IT DOESN’T WORK FOR ME I HATE WEED IT’S A PARADOX’SARGHLEHWARBLE
Maybe this is him stoned and without it he’d be even more excitable?
Still think he’s drunk commenting, though. At not quite 3:30 in California.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck if this is Mikey stoned …
I like the way he’s still looking for someone in her twenties as he hits 32, 42, 52 …not happening, dude. Even if you’re slammed with a dose of self-awareness, decency and personality, it’s not going to happen. Though of course if you did get hit with all those, you wouldn’t be chasing young women as if they’re things you should have as a natural right.
Says the hateful awful racist sexist. Excuse us if we don’t believe anything you say. [mic drop]
If Mikey thinks women shouldn’t sleep with losers, he should be happy, ‘cos nobody’s likely to be sleeping with him anytime soon, unless he pays them from that splendid totes true lawyer’s salary.
On the other hand, Mikey’s yet another who thinks “loser” or “jerk” means “every man but me”.
Still, Mikey and his kind serve a couple of purposes: they give us something to point and laugh at here, and they’re constant reminders of those of us in happy relationships that we’re not stuck with bitter, stupid men like them.
But SPINSTERS! Don’t you realize that this one word renders everything you say invalid? SPINSTERS!!!!!!!!!!
(I’m just waiting for him to call Auggz a spinster, then this thread will be complete.)
True, because even being married doesn’t save you from being a SPINSTER!
@ David Futile
“Fun fact: Michael’s story (the one posted in the comments at Dalrock) is listed in the sidebar of the Red Pill subreddit, as the ultimate “women are terrible so you better become an alpha asshole” testimonial.”
I honestly don’t know what your talking about. It’s on DALROCK. I did NOT post anything on Reddit or any site which is sexist .
Besides what’s your story David? What’s up with this blog? What’s your motivation for this forum?Are you just here to support whatever women define for you as correct or are you just the Urban Dictionary’s Definition of a Cuckhold? Which is it? Just wondering..
@Michael
Gee Mikey, I wonder what’s nasty about that story? Maybe this part (warning for violence):
All that because he hadn’t had sex in 12 years, well boo-fucking-hoo, that’s no reason to wish violence and death on people you asshole. All these “nice guys”, you included, fail to see that the real problem with them is that THEY AREN’T NICE! They’re awful, awful people, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
I’m going to guess that part of the reason he hasn’t had sex in 12 years is that most women would prefer not to be alone with someone who fantasizes about slicing their face up.
Hmmm, so what does that mean a lifelong virgin could do to him, on his scale of violence?
There wouldn’t be much left of him afterward.
@ auggzilliary AKA low IQ, uneducated, tax-the-rich, socialist, envious, low income, easily brainwashed, self loathing, overweight, SPINSTER
-How does it feel to have accusations thrown at you? I’m sure more than a few of those stick if by none other than than association.
“Mikey thinks women shouldn’t sleep with “losers”, but he hates the women that ignored him in college because he was “poor”(which is BS, you spoiled rich brat).”
-I hated their behavior. I hated what they did. How they lowered themselves. I hated the fact I would “judge” (and we all do it weather you admit it or not) girls as special, unique, good people, girlfriend material, possible future wife, only for them to prove me wrong again, and again.
“He thinks men are meant to fuck loads of young women, but if a young woman fucks men she’s a slut and no one wants her.”
Again. It’s the APEX Fallacy. Men and women are NOT the same. Men and women are NOT equal. Please allow me to waste my breath explaining to you SPINSTER: Men are biologically programed and genetically predetermined to “fuck loads of young women” AKA spread the seed. The are billions of sperm. There is only ONE egg. WOMEN ARE THE GATEKEEPERS OF SEX. There have been millions of articles written about “if a guy sleeps around he’s a stud but if a women does it she is a slut! and I’m not going over them. I don’t support guys or girls being sluts but women who sleep around ARE SLUTS. That’s how it is and always will be you old expired SPINSTER.
“But if she fucks no one, who are those “peak” men supposed to fuck?””
-Peak men fuck peak women or whoever else they can. There is a feminist writer named “Susan Walsh” who writes a blog called “hooking up smart”. One of the topics covered is a study about how 20% of men at a University are fucking 80% of the women. This sample is similar across all college campuses and it was dam similar in my college. Women were part of “soft harems” and getting passed around while (it would appear based on the study) the majority EQUALITY QUALIFIED guys like myself went starving. Again – you don’t know how men think or FEEL and you don’t care! But the facts are these women SPENT THEIR YOUTH and now, based on the statistics on Dalrock (all stats have a bibliography/references you can see them yourselves I’ m not going to bother answering the other women’s questions – even if I did she would just deny the validity of the statistics or label them as sexist or some other “ist” – sound familiar to you Auggzillary the IDIOT SPINSTER?”.
“He thinks women should marry under 30, but if they do they were “wasting their time”, since all men hate 30 year old women, and will dump them once they get a wrinkle.”
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
If the majority of women married during the peak of their youth and fertility as they did during the 1950’s the divorce rate would go DOWN. Most men, good men, have something called “Wife Goggles” (quoted by another commenter on Dalrock’s website).
To quote Howard Stern (who’s wife divorced HIM) ending from his movie “Private Parts” regarding the constant pussy thrust in his lap everyday which always comes with fame and fortune:
“”You know, I could get this girl. I know I could get her. And this is the hell that’s my life. I mean, think about it. What would it be like to have sex with her? It would be amazing. But Im not going to act on it. You know why? Because Id be a schmuck. No, because I love Alison. She stuck with me through the whole thing, you know? You gotta respect that. I think you have to respect that. You have to respect that.””
Do you understand NOW? you entitled past your expiration date bet all my chips on the wrong Horses, used up SPINSTERS?
Hm? Idiots? Hm? No? Then say hello to the back of my hand..
Most women probably react to him roughly the same way they react to the, um, let’s say “family” in The Hills Have Eyes.
Calvin is literally the first character that came to mind when I read this part of the comment.
Augzz, did no one tell you that you are supposed to marry the first 32 year old that comes a-courtin’?
I knew it would happen eventually. You go with your SPINSTER fixation, hilariously pissy dude.
Maybe editing would be a good idea, though. Remember that comedic skits work best if they’re short!
Wow, that’s the strangest collection of random insults.
Welcome to today’s edition of Biology for Clueless Dudes. Today we will discuss women’s egg. Not eggs, egg. They only get one, you see, which is why it’s very important that they never leave the house, because they need to guard the egg.
Well, Mikey, if we’re the gatekeepers, then sucks to be you, because you’re not gonna be getting past any gates. We don’t owe you sex and you can’t actually make anyone have sex with you unless you’re planning on being (or already are) a rapist.
Such a strange, sad little man you are.
Cuckold, Mikey. Not “cuckhold.”
And Howard Stern does not equal peer reviewed research.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You hate women because they won’t sleep with you. We already know this. Why do you keep repeating it?
There’s no such thing.
You are quite stupid, aren’t you? Just because you say something IN ALL CAPS doesn’t make it true. You need to post links to peer-reviewed research. Peer reviewed research. Do you even know what that is?
What study? Link the citation, you moron!
Why are you so afraid to link the studies? Is it because there is no studies? Link the studies, you moron!
Cassandra wins. He just referred to auggzillary as a “SPINSTER.”
Please note that an 18 year old is “expired”. Thanks for admitting you’re a pedo, Mikey.
Apparently he is also a cannibal. Is there no end to this man’s perversion?
Well Cassandra, to the best of my knowledge neither of my children hit the alcohol but the youngest had a habit of grabbing the coffee of anyone who left it unprotected. Nothing quite like trying to talk down a 3 yr old who is tweaking from too much caffeine.
To Michael & all of the MRA who post these stories as motivation. Do you not see why this is scaring aware good women? Telling me that you want to slice my face up does NOT make we want to spread my legs for you! Telling someone you want to cause harm to them because you think your life was worse if one of the fastest ways to get your self blocked!