This quote from the Men’s Rights subreddit was featured on the Against Men’s Rights subreddit a week ago, but I can’t resist reposting it here, since it’s such a marvellous distillation of Men’s Rights LOGICS at work.
![jabberwockysuperfly 60 points 7 days ago (93|33) We appreciate your solidarity. However, please refrain from making statements like "women are all crazy bitches" regardless of how true it might be; feminists mine this subreddit in the hope of finding this kind of statement so they can use it to discredit this movement. permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]lolyesok [S] 30 points 7 days ago (33|3) Woops, I'll edit that out when I get to a computer. permalink source save parent give gold [–]theskepticalidealist 15 points 6 days ago (19|4) They'll quote that too.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/crazybitches.png?resize=504%2C247&ssl=1)
That’s right: while we of course agree that women are all crazy bitches, we generally don’t like to say that sort of thing out loud, at least here in this subreddit, because our actual opinions are so foul they discredit us every time we say them out loud in public and the evil feminists cherry-pick our statements and reveal to the world WHAT WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE.
And jabberwockeysuperfly won himself 60 upvotes for that wondrous bit of SUPER STEM MANLOGICS.
Later in the discussion, our dear old friend Pecanpig clarified that even if there are some women who aren’t crazy bitches, they’re definitely a bunch of bad … oranges?
![dejour 13 points 7 days ago (29|16) It's not true though that all women are crazy bitches. So she shouldn't be saying that. For me the point though is that some women are and the legal system and public shouldn't assume that women=good, man=bad. permalink source parent save give gold hide child comments [–]Pecanpig 5 points 6 days ago (8|3) Depends on individual circumstances, if you eat 10 oranges and they are all bad then for all intents and purposes oranges are bad, that can be true despite contradicting your own experiences with oranges or whatever.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/badoranges.png?resize=502%2C234&ssl=1)
Orange you a strange one, Pecanpig.
We’re also now edging towards the conversation about why women consume less porn of the real people being filmed variety than men do. A lot of people think it’s because women are “less visual”, but honestly, I think it’s largely because for most het women there’s nobody on the screen who they’re attracted to. Male porn stars aren’t as butt-ugly as they used to be, but they’re mostly still a lot less pretty than their female counterparts. So, for women who aren’t attracted to women, what’s the point? In the few cases where there are male porn stars who are more conventionally attractive they tend to have a strong female following.
(This is also part of the reason why a lot of straight women watch gay porn featuring men.)
Bring back the porn star moustache, that’s what I say!
Yeah, if I was going to watch porn, it’d be gay men, but even then, I really doubt there are any vids floating around with the sort of guys I’d be interested in watching. My tastes are really specific and narrow – not “must be Sir’s twin” but the slim-ish, long haired, moustached and overall feminine-looking guys would be a must. (My own drawings filmed live, in other words.)
And after all that … the idea of watching porn any length of time just gets so boring. Even fantasies are ho-hum after a bit, and watching other people would hit my THIS IS SO DREARY button fairly soon.
Plus, mouth noises. Ewww.
Oh dear, I hope that wasn’t a TMI/notes from the boner comment. Apologies!
If it wasn’t for the mustache thing that wouldn’t be all that hard to find, actually.
But yeah, I really do think that the fact that the market isn’t catering to women in a deliberate way accounts for a lot of the difference, more than the whole “women aren’t visual” thing. It’s because I AM visual that the fact that most of the dudes in porn are not in any way sexually appealing to me is a problem.
@Katz
I have a vision of her poring over an Ikea catalog, flipping through it over and over because she can’t find where they list the fainting couches. Her confused disappointment continues when she can’t find an online finishing schools that offer a B.F.F. (Bachelorette of Feminine Femininity).
Is the constant repetition of the word “feminine” meant to be marketing? Because I keep wanting to smack her over the head with a copy of Eats, Shoots & Leaves.
Twinky gay gays (sans ‘stache): PURTY.
Industry-generated unrealistic piston boinking of any kind: BORING. And HORRID. Because rapey.
Why yes, I *am* a visual creature. I’m also a very picky one.
CassandraSays – I think the author needed to remind/convince zieself that zie’s writing about feeemale femininity. Hence the constant references.
I’ve been trying to think of anything that would fit the criteria that kittehs laid out and I keep running into the stache as the problem. Sans stache, tons of imagery featuring skinny pretty boys, but with stache I’m drawing a blank.
(And since skinny, pretty, and a bit feminine is my preference too it’s not like I don’t know where to look.)
@ Alice
The constant “masculine man” stuff doesn’t read well either. I would get it if she was trying to make a distinction between men who’re masculine and men who’re not particularly so, but she doesn’t seem to even be aware that women who might prefer men who’re not all that macho are a thing that exists.
“If it wasn’t for the mustache thing that wouldn’t be all that hard to find, actually.”
I don’t watch porn and I can think of a couple…wait, it’s movember. My ex-FWB currently fits that.
Dear blockquote monster – please release Kittehs from your diabolical clutches.
AAKKKK
I’m covered in blockquote monster spit
Okay, try this again, so people other than blockquote monsters can read it:
HELL YEAH. That “women aren’t visual” thing irks me no end.
::snickers again::
Ditto. Love that book.
NO NO must have moustache! (Small, neat, not like he’s trying to swallow a porcupine.)
Or that there are women actively turned off by macho men.
I just googled “pretty man long hair moustache” and while a few of the results were, yeah, okay, I wouldn’t want to see any of them minus clothes, let along getting all hot’n’heavy with anyone.
I think I’m going to have to stick to photoshopping pics, and goodness knows that’s challenging enough.
Duty calls: we have telly to watch, which means I have to provide a lap for Fribs. Niters, all!
I’m pretty sure it’s an SEO trick. She wants to pop up high (and so be seen as, “authoritative”) so people will plunk down $60US for her e-books.
If it is, she’a wrong. Newer algorithms account for that sort of word vomit. Now, I’m no SEO expert, but it is what I’ve been working on for the Borg so I’m inclined to guess my research is newer than hers!
$60 for an e-book on how to be a walking relic of the past? No thanks, I can pick up a dozen old copies of <emThe Total Woman (and other shit like it) for $1/lb.
Ecch, Italic Monster, do YOU need a burnt offering too? Here, have my ass.
On a forum I used to go to, the same types of questions would come up with discouraging frequency about breasts; someone once posted a link similar in purpose to the labia library (I haven’t actually looked at the latter, yet) but with a gallery of a variety of women’s breasts.
And I was like: Neat! A site to assure them that nothing is wrong! People can only benefit from seeing this site!
Cue the first response: “I can’t help but think this site wants me to feel guilty for liking to look at breasts.” And I despaired.
gelar, that’s … weird, and sad. Was that person feeling bad about even being curious about other people’s bodies?
Probably a whine about the site having a disclaimer that it’s not intended as porn?
I hope this sentence makes sense: If I remember correctly (and there’s a very good chance I don’t) it was more like the commenter felt guilty being confronted with just how prevalent that level of insecurity was (ex.: that people could honestly think they were hideous if one breast was larger than the other) when they liked to look at what everyone was judging themselves against.
Wah, the fact that I objectify women makes them feel bad, which makes me feel bad, so they should stop talking about how bad they feel because my feelings are more important.