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Men’s Rights Public Relations: Don’t call all women crazy bitches, even if they totally are, because feminists might catch you.

This quote from the Men’s Rights subreddit was featured on the Against Men’s Rights subreddit a week ago, but I can’t resist reposting it here, since it’s such a marvellous distillation of Men’s Rights LOGICS at work.

jabberwockysuperfly 60 points 7 days ago (93|33)  We appreciate your solidarity. However, please refrain from making statements like "women are all crazy bitches" regardless of how true it might be; feminists mine this subreddit in the hope of finding this kind of statement so they can use it to discredit this movement.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]lolyesok [S] 30 points 7 days ago (33|3)  Woops, I'll edit that out when I get to a computer.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]theskepticalidealist 15 points 6 days ago (19|4)  They'll quote that too.

That’s right: while we of course agree that women are all crazy bitches, we generally don’t like to say that sort of thing out loud, at least here in this subreddit, because our actual opinions are so foul they discredit us every time we say them out loud in public and the evil feminists cherry-pick our statements and reveal to the world WHAT WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

And jabberwockeysuperfly won himself 60 upvotes for that wondrous bit of SUPER STEM MANLOGICS.

Later in the discussion, our dear old friend Pecanpig clarified that even if there are some women who aren’t crazy bitches, they’re definitely a bunch of bad … oranges?

dejour 13 points 7 days ago (29|16)  It's not true though that all women are crazy bitches. So she shouldn't be saying that. For me the point though is that some women are and the legal system and public shouldn't assume that women=good, man=bad.      permalink     source     parent     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Pecanpig 5 points 6 days ago (8|3)  Depends on individual circumstances, if you eat 10 oranges and they are all bad then for all intents and purposes oranges are bad, that can be true despite contradicting your own experiences with oranges or whatever.

Orange you a strange one, Pecanpig.

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CassandraSays
6 years ago

We’re also now edging towards the conversation about why women consume less porn of the real people being filmed variety than men do. A lot of people think it’s because women are “less visual”, but honestly, I think it’s largely because for most het women there’s nobody on the screen who they’re attracted to. Male porn stars aren’t as butt-ugly as they used to be, but they’re mostly still a lot less pretty than their female counterparts. So, for women who aren’t attracted to women, what’s the point? In the few cases where there are male porn stars who are more conventionally attractive they tend to have a strong female following.

CassandraSays
6 years ago

(This is also part of the reason why a lot of straight women watch gay porn featuring men.)

kittehserf
6 years ago

Bring back the porn star moustache, that’s what I say!

Yeah, if I was going to watch porn, it’d be gay men, but even then, I really doubt there are any vids floating around with the sort of guys I’d be interested in watching. My tastes are really specific and narrow – not “must be Sir’s twin” but the slim-ish, long haired, moustached and overall feminine-looking guys would be a must. (My own drawings filmed live, in other words.)

And after all that … the idea of watching porn any length of time just gets so boring. Even fantasies are ho-hum after a bit, and watching other people would hit my THIS IS SO DREARY button fairly soon.

Plus, mouth noises. Ewww.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Oh dear, I hope that wasn’t a TMI/notes from the boner comment. Apologies!

CassandraSays
6 years ago

If it wasn’t for the mustache thing that wouldn’t be all that hard to find, actually.

But yeah, I really do think that the fact that the market isn’t catering to women in a deliberate way accounts for a lot of the difference, more than the whole “women aren’t visual” thing. It’s because I AM visual that the fact that most of the dudes in porn are not in any way sexually appealing to me is a problem.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

@Katz

Oh deary me, look what a sweet little delicate flower you are!

I have a vision of her poring over an Ikea catalog, flipping through it over and over because she can’t find where they list the fainting couches. Her confused disappointment continues when she can’t find an online finishing schools that offer a B.F.F. (Bachelorette of Feminine Femininity).

CassandraSays
6 years ago

Is the constant repetition of the word “feminine” meant to be marketing? Because I keep wanting to smack her over the head with a copy of Eats, Shoots & Leaves.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Twinky gay gays (sans ‘stache): PURTY.

Industry-generated unrealistic piston boinking of any kind: BORING. And HORRID. Because rapey.

Why yes, I *am* a visual creature. I’m also a very picky one.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

CassandraSays – I think the author needed to remind/convince zieself that zie’s writing about feeemale femininity. Hence the constant references.

CassandraSays
6 years ago

I’ve been trying to think of anything that would fit the criteria that kittehs laid out and I keep running into the stache as the problem. Sans stache, tons of imagery featuring skinny pretty boys, but with stache I’m drawing a blank.

(And since skinny, pretty, and a bit feminine is my preference too it’s not like I don’t know where to look.)

CassandraSays
6 years ago

@ Alice

The constant “masculine man” stuff doesn’t read well either. I would get it if she was trying to make a distinction between men who’re masculine and men who’re not particularly so, but she doesn’t seem to even be aware that women who might prefer men who’re not all that macho are a thing that exists.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

“If it wasn’t for the mustache thing that wouldn’t be all that hard to find, actually.”

I don’t watch porn and I can think of a couple…wait, it’s movember. My ex-FWB currently fits that.

kittehserf
6 years ago

But yeah, I really do think that the fact that the market isn’t catering to women in a deliberate way accounts for a lot of the difference, more than the whole “women aren’t visual” thing. It’s because I AM visual that the fact that most of the dudes in porn are not in any way sexually appealing to me is a problem.

HELL YEAH. That “women aren’t visual” thing irks me no end.

Her confused disappointment continues when she can’t find an online finishing schools that offer a B.F.F. (Bachelorette of Feminine Femininity).

::snickers again::

Is the constant repetition of the word “feminine” meant to be marketing? Because I keep wanting to smack her over the head with a copy of Eats, Shoots & Leaves.

Ditto. Love that book.

Twinky gay gays (sans ‘stache): PURTY.

Industry-generated unrealistic piston boinking of any kind: BORING. And HORRID. Because rapey.

Why yes, I *am* a visual creature. I’m also a very picky one.

NO NO must have moustache! (Small, neat, not like he’s trying to swallow a porcupine.)

The constant “masculine man” stuff doesn’t read well either. I would get it if she was trying to make a distinction between men who’re masculine and men who’re not particularly so, but she doesn’t seem to even be aware that women who might prefer men who’re not all that macho are a thing that exists.

Or that there are women actively turned off by macho men.

I just googled “pretty man long hair moustache” and while a few of the results were, yeah, okay, I wouldn’t want to see any of them minus clothes, let along getting all hot’n’heavy with anyone.

I think I’m going to have to stick to photoshopping pics, and goodness knows that’s challenging enough.

CassandraSays
6 years ago

Dear blockquote monster – please release Kittehs from your diabolical clutches.

kittehserf
6 years ago

AAKKKK

I’m covered in blockquote monster spit

Okay, try this again, so people other than blockquote monsters can read it:

But yeah, I really do think that the fact that the market isn’t catering to women in a deliberate way accounts for a lot of the difference, more than the whole “women aren’t visual” thing. It’s because I AM visual that the fact that most of the dudes in porn are not in any way sexually appealing to me is a problem.

HELL YEAH. That “women aren’t visual” thing irks me no end.

Her confused disappointment continues when she can’t find an online finishing schools that offer a B.F.F. (Bachelorette of Feminine Femininity).

::snickers again::

Is the constant repetition of the word “feminine” meant to be marketing? Because I keep wanting to smack her over the head with a copy of Eats, Shoots & Leaves.

Ditto. Love that book.

Twinky gay gays (sans ‘stache): PURTY.

Industry-generated unrealistic piston boinking of any kind: BORING. And HORRID. Because rapey.

Why yes, I *am* a visual creature. I’m also a very picky one.

NO NO must have moustache! (Small, neat, not like he’s trying to swallow a porcupine.)

The constant “masculine man” stuff doesn’t read well either. I would get it if she was trying to make a distinction between men who’re masculine and men who’re not particularly so, but she doesn’t seem to even be aware that women who might prefer men who’re not all that macho are a thing that exists.

Or that there are women actively turned off by macho men.

I just googled “pretty man long hair moustache” and while a few of the results were, yeah, okay, I wouldn’t want to see any of them minus clothes, let along getting all hot’n’heavy with anyone.

I think I’m going to have to stick to photoshopping pics, and goodness knows that’s challenging enough.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Duty calls: we have telly to watch, which means I have to provide a lap for Fribs. Niters, all!

pecunium
6 years ago

I’m pretty sure it’s an SEO trick. She wants to pop up high (and so be seen as, “authoritative”) so people will plunk down $60US for her e-books.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

If it is, she’a wrong. Newer algorithms account for that sort of word vomit. Now, I’m no SEO expert, but it is what I’ve been working on for the Borg so I’m inclined to guess my research is newer than hers!

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

$60 for an e-book on how to be a walking relic of the past? No thanks, I can pick up a dozen old copies of <emThe Total Woman (and other shit like it) for $1/lb.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Ecch, Italic Monster, do YOU need a burnt offering too? Here, have my ass.

gelar
gelar
6 years ago

I find it really depressing that there are people wandering around wondering if their ladybits are “normal”.

On a forum I used to go to, the same types of questions would come up with discouraging frequency about breasts; someone once posted a link similar in purpose to the labia library (I haven’t actually looked at the latter, yet) but with a gallery of a variety of women’s breasts.

And I was like: Neat! A site to assure them that nothing is wrong! People can only benefit from seeing this site!

Cue the first response: “I can’t help but think this site wants me to feel guilty for liking to look at breasts.” And I despaired.

kittehserf
6 years ago

gelar, that’s … weird, and sad. Was that person feeling bad about even being curious about other people’s bodies?

CassandraSays
6 years ago

Probably a whine about the site having a disclaimer that it’s not intended as porn?

gelar
gelar
6 years ago

I hope this sentence makes sense: If I remember correctly (and there’s a very good chance I don’t) it was more like the commenter felt guilty being confronted with just how prevalent that level of insecurity was (ex.: that people could honestly think they were hideous if one breast was larger than the other) when they liked to look at what everyone was judging themselves against.

CassandraSays
6 years ago

Wah, the fact that I objectify women makes them feel bad, which makes me feel bad, so they should stop talking about how bad they feel because my feelings are more important.

gelar
gelar
6 years ago

That’s actually the only reason I remember the thread at all, that the point of such a site was so spectacularly missed.

Though since then, I’ve never given much thought to whether there were other sites like it, but it’s reassuring to know there are!

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

“I can’t help but think this site wants me to feel guilty for liking to look at breasts.”

Boob-gawker shaming is MISANDRY!!!

CassandraSays
6 years ago

Thing is, I like looking at breasts too, but I can still tell the difference between situations where boobs are being presented for me to look at in a sexual way and a situation where boobs are just, you know, a thing that exists. When dudes start waaah-ing about how guilty women are making them feel by not wanting to present their boobs in a sexual way 24/7 I just want to tell them to grow up. If a person has guilt about their own sexual feelings that’s their shit to deal with, and limiting one’s expressions of appreciation for someone else’s appearance to those situations where they will be welcomed is just good manners.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Oh, wow, I had a massive brain fart over that comment! I thought it was a woman feeling bad ‘cos she was enjoying looking at the pics.

So, just another man whining. If he likes breasts, FINE, just don’t treat women as nothing but breast-and-vagina support systems, or like we’re failures if we don’t look like porn stars. Oh and BTW don’t keep looking at our breasts, especially when you’re talking to us, mkay?

vaiyt
6 years ago

“women aren’t visual”

The fact that women don’t enjoy looking at stuff that doesn’t cater to their visual tastes is proof that they don’t enjoy looking at ANYTHING. QED.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Except kittens!

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

vaiyt – MEN LOGIC! QED. *nod*

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

auggziliary – Blockquote monster went on an acid trip. *nod*

kittehserf
6 years ago

LOL acid trip is right. I’ve no idea how that happened!

katz
6 years ago

I thought it was a woman feeling bad ‘cos she was enjoying looking at the pics.

That’s what I thought, too. Why would a guy who likes looking at breasts feel bad because of a site with pictures of breasts?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Of course we’re not visual creatures, that’s why Kittehs’ encounter with Stoned Blockquote Monster didn’t make any of our eyes hurt. Amirite? MISANDRY!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Stoned Blockquote Monster is my band name.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I’m gonna call mine Ms. Andry and Her Evul Feminazis.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

Women aren’t visual. Which is why the comments at the romance book review site that posted the http://deshommesetdeschatons.tumblr.com/ wasn’t filled with comments like, “It’s a cat tumblr? I didn’t see any cats.” And why none of the male-attracted women on this board browsed the whole damn thing, and not (just) for the kitties.

kittehserf
6 years ago

I think I found a pic I used for Mr Kittehs sitting in the tub on that tumblr.

(It goes without saying that my version’s a great improvement on the original.)

lana
lana
6 years ago

We agree with you all women are crazy bitches. But we can’t say that here because the whole idea is we are supposed to have “legitimate concerns” about men’s rights. You can’t be out right calling them bitches and ho’s because you cant get laid.

Stick with: “women still get to decide to have sex or not with you even after you marry her. So marriage isn’t worth the risk.”

And :”women rape men too ”

Just don’t say what a crazy bitch .K?

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