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Logo contest! Win $300!

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There’s just one little catch: You have to design a logo for A Voice for Men.

But the logo contest is a real thing, as is the prize. Go here for the details.

You can see my first attempt above. Post yours below! And maybe even submit it to the official contest.

Also, read the comments over at AVFM to see Mr. Elam bring the banhammer down on a graphic designer who offers to do the logo for free. No, really.

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kittehserf
8 years ago

Yay!

I’d guess a lot of the AVfM’s alleged staff need those sixteen-hour days. It’s not easy to pound out ragefroth screeds when you type with two fingers at most.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Woooo!

And. Uh. Is it sad that I look at that logo, and feel a little better about not being the best designer in the world? <.<

Also, I wrote up another story for someone I'm ASSUMING is a Boobzer named Tracy Bradley. Tracy, give me a ring! I wrote you a thing according to your prompt about Hugo Schwyzer being reincarnated as a shark!

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

Argenti – Huzzah!

Damn it. I need to finish my article then. 😛

moldybrehd
8 years ago

Darn it, I came in late to this. I made my logo, and not only is it too late to submit but…

Yeah, it’s a typo – it’s counter-humanist theory.

I got ninja’d.

http://imgur.com/2qB9Gr5

AIT
AIT
8 years ago

I love the rant that alek goes into every time he responds to the professional’s comments. I wanted to say the pot and the kettle, except this time the kettle happens to be ceramic. The dictionary definition of rant doesn’t include being redundant, but I feel like it should.

Nezumi
Nezumi
8 years ago

I noticed the original contest post referred to “MRHAs” instead of “MHRAs.” I now hold that this stands for “Men’s Rights Hovering Aardvark”, and the only think that can persuade me otherwise is something better for the M and R to stand for.

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

@Nezumi
“Mandible Removing Hate Atronach”

kittehserf
8 years ago

Hovering Aardvark! Love it … but it’s way too cute for this lot.

http://rebeccaschoenecker.com/images/rebecca_schoenecker-aardvark.jpg

If MRHA does stand for Men’s Rights Human Activists … I want to know what the not-human ones are. Are MRAs lizard people after all?

Draconius
Draconius
8 years ago

“Are MRAs lizard people after all?”

That is absolutely offensive to actual lizard folk. 🙁

kittehserf
8 years ago

You are correct, and I apologise unreservedly to lizard folk.

Nezumi
Nezumi
8 years ago

Perhaps they’re sapient brine shrimp?

kittehserf
8 years ago

Sapient? MRAs?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

LBT: Housing! Wonderful!

I think that deserves a roun of applause:

katz
8 years ago

Wait, how did AV4M end up spending $499 if they only paid the winner $300? Does the contest cost $199 to run? Wow, what a shitty service; 67% overhead for a service that doesn’t actually do any of the design.

And if you want business cards, it’s $150 extra.

katz
8 years ago

And the winner was none of the types of logo they initially requested.

cloudiah
8 years ago

@katz, They’re working 16-20 hour days over there! I feel like I should drop a few f-bombs on you just for hinting at criticism of Paul E and his crew.

katz
8 years ago

All I can say is that, when I needed a logo, I posted on DA offering to pay just $100 because it was a low-income nonprofit and I got dozens of responses from professional designers who did far better work than any of those logos. I picked one and he made a design that looked awesome and I love it. I paid 1/5 as much, I got a better logo, and no designers got stiffed into working for free.

(Given that 16 designers entered the AVFM contest, the per-contestant pay comes out to just $18.75.)

CassandraSays
8 years ago

I really don’t like the 99 designs business model. They sell themselves as offering a service that’s great for both designers and clients, but the designers are mostly working for free and the clients aren’t necessarily getting a great design out of it either.

katz
8 years ago

Come to think of it, you’re beholden to pick a design even if none of the entries are any good (I wonder if you’re beholden to use it?) and so it’s actually more touch and go than looking through portfolios until you find a designer who does work you really like.

Seranvali
Seranvali
8 years ago

LBT:

I’m so happy you found a place!

Also: yeah, they were really hard on that designer. He seemed to me to just be saying that he wanted to do the work but couldn’t accept the prize. Do I have that wrong because their response was a huge and ridiculous over-reaction and made them look even sillier.

Honestly, these guys couldn’t run a bun fight in a bakery!

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago
Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Seranvali — that’s how I read it too, and then they got all huffy about how people say they will and then never do. Which is just painful to me of the volunteering sort.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Bodsy, you’ve outdone yourself. XD

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

@ cloudiah – why thank you!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: katz

Wait, how did AV4M end up spending $499 if they only paid the winner $300?

Where did this data come from? I’m kinda perplexed and curious. What the hell is this “99 designs business model”? I mean, I figured that the contest happened, people would host images on imageshack or something, and then AVFM would choose the best. But instead they had this place they had to pay a couple hundred bucks for? What? What the hell is this?

I’m so confused. I mean, I designed a logo for a podcast for about $20, $50 last year, and I was happy, but it was the first arty job I had! I’m so confused at how this contest was run. It seems to have been a raw deal for everyone!

katz
8 years ago

LBT: It’s a specific design contest hosting site.

I expected it to just be a platform: You choose the prize amount, pay the winner when it’s over, and the site takes a cut of 5% or something like that. But it isn’t. Instead, you buy a contest package from the site, different packages have different prize amounts (and maybe other hazily specified benefits, I don’t know), and then when the contest is over and you’ve picked a winner, the site pays them.

CassandraSays
8 years ago

99 Designs is a company. This is what they do, posting logo/design competitions and getting (presumably not otherwise employed) designers to offer up designs for clients to pick from.

http://99designs.com/about

(They’re local, which is why I know this.)

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

O_o

Well. That sure seems a bit skeezy. What the hell. AVFM only had about a dozen contributions, right? Would it have been so hard to host and do it themselves? This just seems so weird to me. Like, I’d get it if they had literally hundreds of submissions to go through, but for just one dozen? It seems to have been a huge waste of money for substandard product, when surely a site as big as them could’ve just hired a pro designer for the same cost.

CassandraSays
8 years ago

They’re a product of the same kind of mindset that also produced a company that promised to organize your dry cleaning over the internet, imo. There were lots of companies like that about in the Bay Area back in the day. I do feel like it’s institutionalizing the idea that creatives should work for free and only get paid if and when the buyer feels like it.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Like, I get what they’re doing… but a ‘designer marketplace’? For CONTESTS? I’m a working artist, man, I want to be PAID for my work, not competing against maybe hundreds of other people for pay! Not to mention such a huge overhead.

Seriously, this just sounds like a whole lot of trouble gone through, and just… am I missing something here? What the hell? I mean, I’m going to design header animals for Feminist Borg, at $20 an animal. BOOM. I’m happy, the borgs are happy, and presumably I’ll make something people like. PROBLEM SOLVED.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: CassandraSays

I do feel like it’s institutionalizing the idea that creatives should work for free and only get paid if and when the buyer feels like it.

Uh, yeah. Definitely. Food doesn’t buy itself; unless you’re a friend of mine and I’m feeling generous, I don’t work for free. That’s why they call it work. WTF.

CassandraSays
8 years ago

What annoys me is when people try to frame things as if it’s a privilege to be able to compete for monetary scraps and folks should be thankful for the opportunity. Sorry, guys, you’re not doing anyone a favor.

katz
8 years ago

I just don’t get why anyone would pay $500 to pay someone else $300.

Then again, these are the same people who were going to do the “Misandry in Video Games” web series, where they were going to donate all their Indiegogo money to charities (because they claimed they didn’t need any money to create content), and people actually donated money to that campaign for the purpose of someone else supposedly donating it to charity after part of it went to Indiegogo fees, so masters of money management they are not.

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

katz – How dare you suggest that MRAs are irrational? Men are the most rational of genders!

[/sarcasm]

Julie
8 years ago

I don’t see ‘hate for women’ in this logo activity and I’m starting to feel sorry for Paul Elam. I am sure it’s normal when mobs start to single out people and bully long term. The person being attacked starts to take a human identity and witnesses start to question the ring leader.

Perhaps you can extend your blogroll if you are struggling to find women haters so things don’t turn on you. Just a thought, otherwise, thanks for holding people accountable. Just don’t forget power corrupts and to keep yourself in check.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Those logical men over at AVfM seem to get taken in by every con, don’t they?

katz
8 years ago

Honestly, it’s tempting to create a scam targeting them because they donate $100,000 a year to people who do absolutely nothing. It’s got to be the world’s easiest cash cow.

CassandraSays
8 years ago

It’s kind of funny in light of all the accusations that Sarkesian was running a scam. At least she eventually made something, even if people didn’t like the product.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Yeah, it’s so weird and convoluted and just seems a really rotten set-up.

Like, I do writeathons. I have sold out every one so far, and I’m pretty sure I’ll do fine with this one too, but it’s always kinda chancey. But I build them KNOWING that; I only write the rough drafts, and once the money comes in, THEN I do the edit job. And if I ever end up with a bunch of orphaned stories, then once I have enough of them together, I have a half-price story sale. But a logo… you can’t sell it half-price at a later date like a story. It’s specifically FOR a certain group. It’s a colossal waste!

(Which reminds me, this is actually the LAST DAY for folks’ donations to count towards the bonus free writing count on Spookathon! Just a heads up if anyone was lollygagging!)

CassandraSays
8 years ago

The only advantage I can see (other than for the middleman who’s collecting the fee) is a slight increase in convenience for the client, since they don’t have to bother going out and looking for a designer. The decrease in quality and increase in cost kind of make any minor increase in convenience worthless though, imo.

katz
8 years ago

I’m sure for $200 you could hire someone to find you a designer.

katz
8 years ago

OMG, have you guys seen how the new logo looks on the site?

Somehow they made a vector logo look fuzzy and low-res. And the edge of the Y is cut off.

CassandraSays
8 years ago

Like I hinted earlier, it’s a case of companies existing to make money for the founders rather than to fulfill an actual need.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

http://www.super-mv.com.sg/

This is a pretty popular stock image that has been used many times over the years. Dink around with it, and do it in red black and white, cuz everything looks good in red black and white, and ta da.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

It kinda looks like a giant V penis between two stubby legs.

katz
8 years ago

I’m redrawing my AVFP logo; should I make it handwritten like the current AVFP logo, or should I make it a vector?

ignotussomnium
ignotussomnium
8 years ago

I hadn’t been on AVFM’s site proper and checked to see what the logo was like. Thought it looked pretty boring (not to mention badly sized), so it made sense that they would pay money for something better… except apparently the one I was looking at is the one they paid for. So. Good job whoever was in charge of that.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Wouldn’t it be nice to think someone actually trolled ’em with a crap logo AND got paid for it?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

LBT — just please make them have edges and not be a rectangle? Sketchy is fine, and I can remove the paper white background no problem, but if you do smoke or anything, please ink it?