Over on the Red Pill Subreddit — where manly ALPHA MALES trade tips on how to totally dominate the ladies with their awesome ALPHATUDE — one enterprising fellow has a suggestion for aspiring lady-dominators: take a tip or two from professional dog trainers and treat your bitch like a bitch!
TRPsubmitter, an official Red Pill Subreddit Endorsed Contributor, explains how you can use the magic of Operant Conditioning to train your gal:
Training a loyal, well-behaved dog isn’t much different than training a loyal, well-behaved girlfriend/plate/FWB. Both substrates (dogs, women) have innate submissive/obedient tendencies that should be emphasized along with unwanted behaviors to be diminished and punished. If you know anything about dogs, you know that many “incidents” are often the fault of the owner failing to provide a proper outlet for a dog’s energy or natural predispositions.
Women have natural predispositions too: Attention-seeking, curious, emotional, irrational, solipsistic, unable to constructively deal with stress/criticism, likes to blame others, etc. Almost all of these can be subjected to a combination of operant conditioning.
Yeah, that pretty much describes all possible predispositions women might have. Because women are terrible!
Anyhoo, operant conditioning is all about rewarding or punishing behaviors after the fact as a way of encouraging or discouraging these behaviors. It’s easy to understand how that might work if your dog poops on your rug. But how might that work with your girlfriend/plate/FWB? Also, what the fuck is a “plate?” TRPsubmitter only answers the former question, alas. But he does so with some very helpful and completely realistic examples:
Problem: Some girl you’re sleeping with is getting uppity. You’ve had sex with her before several times…but this time she has arbitrarily decided to give LMR.
That’s Last Minute Resistance. In other words, she said “no,” and you don’t want to respect that “no.”
Analyze reason:
1) She may be trying to shift the power dynamic in her favor; too much “Sex & the city” lately or she had a girl’s night out and her hamster is all powered up for a confrontation now.
Yes. That’s probably right. I’m not sure why watching reruns of a show that was cancelled nearly a decade ago would cause a woman to not want sex, but this dude is an ALPHA so he must know. Does watching old episodes of Friends — which also went off the air in 2004 — have the same effect?
2) She may be trying to retroactively reclassify you as her beta provider or “bf material” by making you work for it or by not being as sexually available all of a sudden.
Or maybe she just doesn’t want to have sex?
3) She has been “thinking alot lately” about her future; she is insecure suddenly about the unique nature of your sexual relationship.
Or maybe she just doesn’t want to have sex? Like, ALOT?
No matter! For there is a SOLUTION!
Operant conditioning:
Positive reinforcement – Provide affection or recognition of her worth as a woman IF sex occurs.
Wait. Provide affection during and/or after sex? Sounds bizarre. But so bizarre it just might work!
Positive punishment – Provide active punishment. Tell her to GTFO or smoothly tell her that she can “rest a bit while I get some stuff done”, then leave her sitting on the bed alone.
Acting like a petulant child: the best way to show her you’re THE MAN.
Negative reinforcement – Remove active punishment. Be the bad boy that she wants to prove herself too. You’re not giving her validation from the onset and she is wondering “WHY?!”. Make her earn it and only remove this lack of attention if she does what you want. Maybe you’re both at a bar instead. Proceed to freely & cheerfully interact with other girls in front of her and stop this only if she does what you want (I think this one is best applied in the pickup phase).
Uh, I thought in this scenario you were about to have sex with her and she said no. Why are we at a bar now? Where is this bar?
Negative punishment – Remove active reward. You’re making out on the couch. She makes comment “not tonight”. Give her the cold shoulder. Proceed to remove all affection, attention or “bf-like behaviors”.
Then march off to your room, shouting “you’re not the boss of me! I wish I never was born!” Slam the door and sulk.
Who knew being an ALPHA was so much like being an emo teen?
Happily, TRPsubmitter got a lot of positive reinforcement for his post. Good alpha dog! ComplainyGuy — apparently speaking for many, given the several dozen upvotes he got — wrote enthusiastically:
THIS is a fucking great example of how we should be talking about women.
Bad: “Women have no value to anybody ever. Totally glad her mum died fuck bitches. Pffft I wish we still had chains and whips” (I have seen all these comments on here in the last week)
good:”Women have natural predispositions too: Attention-seeking, curious, emotional, irrational, solipsistic, unable to constructively deal with stress/criticism, likes to blame others, etc”
The difference? The first is angsty, immature males who bring down the quality of this subreddit.
The second is a man observing, from a mature, Self-confident, perspective, the real nature of gender dynamics.
Wow. So treating women like dogs is apparently a big step up for the Red Pillers.
(Thanks to mrsamsa in the Blue Pill subreddit for pointing me to this wondrous Red Pill fuckery.)
Maybe substitute “hypocrisy” for “irony” above, on 2nd thought.
Also, the game they were discussing in TRP (see my link) is legit fucked up & abusive, but also more or less what red pillers want to do to women so there’s that.
I know this sounds silly, but I always think how sad their sexual life might be… I mean, I don’t mean no sex. But… what sex is that they are having? I bet it is not pleasure oriented.
Sex for a PUA is when you manipulate a woman into doing something that she doesn’t want to do, which proves that you’re totes alpha. Who cares whether or not it feels good? It’s not about pleasure, it’s about keeping score.
“Now let me get my goldfish training book”
That might be easier than training an idiot, assuming you reward with food. I accidentally trained puff that way, he comes out the moment he sees the pipette and starts nibbling the end if nothing comes out, because damnit, why is the food dispensor not dispensing!
See, that’s where we dogmatic feminists go wrong – when someone says something we disagree with, we reason with them, but that’s impossible because we’re all closed minded, which is why none of us have changed our minds about anything at any point. What you should do is say “you’re closed minded and a bigot. Good day, sir! And then, if the other party attempts to continue the conversation, take out your finest riding glove, slap them across the chops, and demand satisfaction for the insult.
Well, we’ve certainly never had a case where a prominent member of our community took a position which was then disagreed with by various other community members, and after some respectful back-and-forth, changed zir mind based on the evidence given. That definitely didn’t happen just yesterday.
@cloudiah
The game is listed on Nickelodean’s website as “game>girl games>The Boyfriend Trainer” and training includes a taser and a dog leash?
Wow, way to contribute Nickelodean.
What does privilege mean, again? I thought I knew it… but I obviously don’t…
Apropos of nothing, does anyone know where the notches on the bedpost phrase came from? I’m wondering if it was actually ever a thing…
Where did this linguistic abomination originate? Every time I see it it’s like nails down a chalkboard.
SittieKitty: I believe it’s a derivative of ‘notches on a gun’, which in turn was a largely fictional concept popular in Westerns–having a fast-draw duelist who had several notches on the grip of his gun was a convenient shorthand trope for saying he was a badass; each notch was supposed to represent a kill. Not sure when the concept migrated to the bedpost, but if anyone ever HAS done it, they did it in imitation of the adage, not the other way ’round.
These guys would have no problem hitting a dog with a rolled up newspaper then calming that doing so made the dog faithful to them. Yuck.
interesting freemage, thanks!
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=notches+on+the+bedpost&searchmode=none
“score (v.)
“to cut with incisions or notches,” c.1400; “to record by means of notches” (late 14c.); see score (n.). Meanings “to keep record of the scores in a game, etc.” and “to make or add a point for one’s side in a game, etc.” both attested from 1742. The slang sense, in reference to men, “achieve intercourse” first recorded 1960. Meaning “to be scorekeeper, to keep the score in a game or contest” is from 1846. In the musical sense from 1839. Related: Scored; scoring.”
Ok, it isn’t that exact phrase, but I’d say it’s more likely that “notches on a bedpost” would have come from scoring in games, rather than notches on a gun. Since, according to this, people have been making notches/scoring things to keep a tally for centuries before guns were invented.
Woops, guns were invented in the 14th century – but it’s still centuries before the wild west.
Like there’s any other way to be entitled. This right up there with “irregardless” for me.
@Dvarg, I LOVE your rationalisation hamster pic! <3
@auggz: "Is it really hard for these people to understand that women are people?"
I don't think they want to. I doubt anyone could be that stupid. It doesn't suit these guys to acknowledge that women are people, not mysteriously misbehaving sexbotpets. I’m past giving them any benefit of the doubt, and that includes that they may genuinely be so fucking stupid as to not get that we’re human.
On the subject of plates, well, if I’m gonna be a plate it’s going to be majolica at the very least.
@pineapplecookies – wrt their sex lives, it’s like Cassandra said. I get the feeling that reaching orgasm inside a woman is all they care about with the act itself. If they get it inside someone who’s unwilling or unenthusiastic, that’s just bonus enjoyment.
An AVFM article I stumbled on had a link to the sort-of-PUA Doc Love. He’s an elderly advice columnist who gives lovelorn men advice and that advice is always “give me a hundred dollars” for The System(tm). I read a handful of the letters and my advice to Doc Love is if you are going to post fake letters from readers don’t write all of them in the exact same voice. And men under 40 don’t use the phrase “a nice young lady” these days.
Anyway, the letters were pretty amusing because they are horror stories from the friendzone that are only slightly more believable than the guy on Reddit who was spermjacked and moved to China to avoid paying child support. A 25 year old guy is best friends with a middle-aged single mother who beds strange guys while the friendzoner does major home repair for her for free? That’s totally real. For a change of pace, he also gets letters from men who bought The System(tm) but need a hint or two on how to harness all it’s miraculous benefits.
It reads like a parody but isn’t (I think), like much of the PUA/MRM stuff I’ve been fascinated with for the last few weeks. Thank a bunch for that Typhoid David.
I’m torn between laughing at and side-eyeing people who don’t know that irregardless is just a joke word (or should be).
The other ones that piss me off are disinterested when uninterested is what’s meant, and laying when it should be lying.
CassandraSays: it hurts met like ‘epic’ and ‘literally’
I tend to get annoyed by “over-exaggerate.”
@Ally
You wouldn’t want to under-exaggerate, would you?
@this one – How come you don’t like epic?
Athywren – That’s almost a Goldwynism. 🙂
So if women just ‘naturally’ act like that and we should ‘train’ them out of it, I suppose the MRAs won’t mind us trying to ‘train’ them out of acting like the natural rapists they all think they are?