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CDC: MRA claims that “40% of rapists are women” are based on bad math and misuse of our data

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Feminists often complain, with considerable justification, that Men’s Rights Activists try to turn every conversation about women’s issues into a game of “what about the men?” You’re talking about female rape victims — well, what about the male rape victims?

The trouble with this strategy, from the point of view of the Men’s Rights Activists anyway, is that this little “gotcha” is much less of a “gotcha” then they’d like it to be.

In the case of rape, for example, feminists are well aware that men are raped as well: the “Don’t Be That Guy” ad campaign, which sent so many MRAs into hysterics, focused on male victims as well as female ones. The emergency room rape advocate organization that a friend of mine volunteers for  provides advocacy for victims regardless of gender.

So many MRAs have started playing another game: trying to twist the conversation around in order to cast women as the villains. Rape is a bit tough for them here, since the overwhelming majority of rapists are male. So MRAs talk about the alleged epidemic of female false accusers instead. Or they change the topic entirely and make dead baby jokes (see my post yesterday).

Recently, MRAs have tried a new strategy, seizing on data from The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, a massive study conducted in 2010 under the aegis of the Centers for Disease Control, to claim that “40% of rapists are women.”

This is a claim repeated by numerous MRAs on numerous websites; see, for example, this post by A Voice for Men’s Typhonblue on the blog GendErratic. Here’s the same claim made into an “infographic” for the Men’s Rights subreddit.

Trouble is, this claim is flat-out false, based on an incorrect understanding of the NISVS data. But you don’t have to take my word for it: the NISVS researchers themselves say the MRA “interpretation” of their data is based on bad math. It’s not just a question of different definitions of rape: the MRA claims are untenable even if you include men who were “made to penetrate” women as victims of rape (as the MRAs do)  rather than as victims of “sexual violence other than rape” (as the NISVS does).

I wrote to the NISVS for clarification of this matter recently, and got back a detailed analysis, straight from the horse’s mouth, of where the MRA arguments went wrong. This is long, and a bit technical, but it’s also pretty definitive, so it’s worth quoting in detail. (I’ve bolded some of the text below for emphasis, and broken some of the larger walls of text into shorter paragraphs.)

It appears that the math used to derive an estimated percentage of female rapists … is flawed.  First, we will summarize the assertion and what we perceive to be the basis for the assertion.

According to the web links, the “40% of rapists were women” was derived from these two steps:

1)      Combining the estimated number of female rape victims with the estimated number of being-made-to-penetrate male victims in the 12 months prior to the survey to conclude that about 50% of the rape or being-made-to-penetrate victims were males;

2)      Multiplying the estimated percentage (79%) of male being-made-to-penetrate victims who reported having had female perpetrators in these victims’ lifetime with the 50% obtained in step 1 to claim that 40% of perpetrators of rape or being-made-to-penetrate were women.

None of these calculations should be used nor can these conclusions be correctly drawn from these calculations.

First the researchers clarify the issue of definition:

To explain, in NISVS we define rape as “any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.”

We defined sexual violence other than rape to include being made to penetrate someone else, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences. Made to penetrate is defined as including “times when the victim was made to, or there was an attempt to make them, sexually penetrate someone without the victim’s consent because the victim was physically forced (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threatened with physical harm, or when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.”

The difference between “rape” and “being made to penetrate” is that in the definition of rape the victim is penetrated; “made to penetrate” by definition refers to cases where the victim penetrated someone else.

While there are multiple definitions of rape and sexual violence used in the field, CDC, with the help of experts in the field, has developed these specific definitions of rape and other forms of sexual violence (such as made to penetrate, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences). We use these definitions to help guide our analytical decisions.

Now the researchers get into the details of the math:

Regarding the specific assertion in question, several aspects of mistreatments of the data and the published estimates occurred in the above derivation:

A.      While the percentage of female rape victims and the percentage of male being-made-to-penetrate victims were inferred from the past 12-month estimates by combining two forms of violence, the percentage of perpetrator by sex was taken from reported estimates for males for lifetime (a misuse of the percentage of male victims who reported only female perpetrators in their lifetime being made to penetrate victimization).  This mismatch of timeframes is incorrect because the past 12-month victimization cannot be stretched to equate with lifetime victimization.  In fact, Table 2.1 and 2.2 of the NISVS 2010 Summary Report clearly report that lifetime rape victimization of females (estimated at 21,840,000) is about 4 times the number of lifetime being made-to-penetrate of males (estimated at 5,451,000).

B.      An arithmetic confusion appears when multiplying the two percentages together to conclude that the product is a percentage of all the “rapists”, an undefined perpetrator population.  Multiplying the percentage of male victims (as derived in step 1) above) to the percentage of male victims who had female perpetrators cannot give a percentage of perpetrators mathematically because to get a percentage of female rape perpetrators, one must have the total rape perpetrators (the denominator), and the number of female perpetrators of this specific violence (the numerator).  Here, neither the numerator nor the denominator was available.

C.      Data collected and analyzed for the NISVS 2010 have a “one-to-multiple” structure (where the “one” refers to one victim and the “multiple” refers to multiple perpetrators).  While not collected, it is conceivable that any perpetrator could have multiple victims.  These multiplicities hinder any attempt to get a percentage of perpetrators such as the one described in steps 1) and 2), and nullify the reverse calculation for obtaining a percent of perpetrators.

For example, consider an example in which a girl has eight red apples while a boy has two green apples.  Here, 50% of the children are boys and another 50% are girls.  It is not valid to multiply 50% (boy) with 100% (boy’s green apples) to conclude that “50% of all the apples combined are green”.  It is clear that only 20% of all the apples are green (two out of 10 apples) when one combines the red and green apples together.  Part of the mistake in the deriving of the “50%” stems from a negligence to take into account the inherent multiplicity: a child can have multiple apples (just as a victim can have multiple perpetrators).

D.      As the study population is U.S. adults in non-institutional settings, the sample was designed to be representative of the study population, not the perpetrator population (therefore no sampling or weighting is done for the undefined universe of perpetrators).  Hence, while the data can be analyzed to make statistical inferences about the victimization of U.S. adults residing in non-institutional settings, the NISVS data are incapable of lending support to any national estimates of the perpetrator population, let alone estimates of perpetrators of a specific form of violence (say, rape or being-made-to-penetrate).

E.      Combining the estimated past 12-month female rape victims with the estimated past 12-month being-made-to-penetrate male victims cannot give an accurate number of all victims who were either raped or being-made-to-penetrate, even if this combination is consistent with CDC’s definition.

Besides a disagreement with the definitions of the various forms of violence given in the NISVS 2010 Summary Report, this approach of combining the 12-month estimated number of female rape victims with the 12-month estimated number of male victims misses victims in the cells where reliable estimates were not reported due to small cell counts failing to meet statistical reliability criteria.  For any combined form of violence, the correct analytical approach for obtaining a national estimate is to start at the raw data level of analysis, if such a creation of a combined construct is established.

So you’re going to need to go back to the drawing board, MRAs.

What is especially distressing here is that the NISVS data could have been the starting point for a serious discussion of male victims of sexual assault by women, which is a real and often overlooked issue. Unfortunately, MRAs have once again poisoned the well by misusing data in an attempt to exaggerate the purported villainy of women and score cheap rhetorical points.

NOTE: A regular in the AgainstMensRights subreddit approached the NISVS researchers with this same question some months back. Unfortunately, the statement they got back from the NISVS contained an incorrect number. The statement I’m quoting here corrects this number and adds more context.

I can provide contact info for the NISVS representative who got back to me on this to any serious (non-troll) person who requests it.

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Ally S
11 years ago

Check out this:

Most female victims of completed rape experienced their first rape before the
age of 25 and almost half experienced their first completed rape before age 18.

Half before 18 is a pretty sizable number.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Thanks Ally, must’ve found it right as you posted that! The genders, that looks off? That’s also just about the population as the US is 49%~ female and 51%~ male.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I think, from the data on page 35, that that means half of rape victims who experienced their first rape before age 25 (check out that pie chart for why). But either way, given the sample ages, that’d make most rapes not in the last year.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

But yeah, from what I’m seeing here, this is correct (minus the naive part, since plenty of us don’t speak teh maths and nothing wrong with that!) — “That explanation could explain the lifetime numbers being higher than you’d naively expect based on 12 month numbers.”

titianblue
titianblue
11 years ago

@Tamen, not bleak at all. I’d be thrilled to bits if the Illuminati turned up to comment.

You may have noticed that we get a lot of trolls commenting – any newcomer is going to be regarded as a potential chew toy and I couldn’t tell if you were in earnest in your arguments or just trying to either distract from the MRA’s poor maths or cast doubt on the CDC’s stats.

Must be frustrating for people with a genuine argument to make but that’s what happens when you come onto a mockery site to make that argument, rather than to a serious scoial justice site.

Ally S
11 years ago

This is only tangentially related to the topic at hand, but one of things I love about this place are all of the statistical takedowns of MRAs. I never thought statistics could be fun until I began frequenting this place and started seeing Argenti’s math stuff.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Does anyone here happen to comment on The Guardian? Because this dude is making me feel exceptionally stabby.

http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/28380115

Every comment he’s made so far is infuriating, but this bit was particularly so.

And I do take your point about ‘society norms’ and how it can get into girl’s heads that it’s somehow their fault, but that’s precisely why we need to say, as a society, ‘she did a silly thing, but he committed the heinous criminal act’. Now, to deal with it, let’s move on and dismiss her actions as inconsequential to the allocation of blame and punishment, let everyone know it is inconsequential, and then bring the full force of the law down on the rapist.

Wouldn’t that be more sensible than saying a woman, wearing very skimpy clothing, drunk and passed out in an alley at 2am was actually acting in a perfectly reasonable and normal way?

Given that we know that most rape victims are raped by people who they know…gosh, those women who’re hanging out at home with their boyfriends, or that old friend from college who’s in town on business, or who’re sharing a taxi home from a work event with a coworker, are so silly. And the ones who were raped by family members? Well, they should have had the good sense to be orphans, obviously.

Ally S
11 years ago

I really want the “She shouldn’t have done X because that’s why she was raped but I’m totes not blaming her for being raped!” folks to fuck off forever.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Getting stabby is the appropriate response to that craptastic thinking.

Falconer
11 years ago

@Cassandra: Yep, let’s make sure everyone knows the victim has been duly judged, and then magnanimously let it drop.

“Stabby” doesn’t begin to describe it.

Falconer
11 years ago

“Chip a dagger out of obsidian and play hide-and-seek in an exceptionally lumbering manner” might begin to describe it.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
11 years ago

The best part is that he admitted himself that most rape victims know their rapist and that the stranger-in-alleyway scenario is the exception rather than the rule…and then went on to write eleventy billion words about what women can do to avoid rape based in stranger-in-alleyway as the norm.

freemage
11 years ago

Yeah, I’ve got “I’m not victim-blaming, but…” in the same mental box as “I’m not a racist/misogynist, but…”. I just immediately assume they are what they’re denying until I have evidence otherwise.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
11 years ago

Someone who’s not doing X doesn’t need to start their comment with “I’m not doing X, but…”

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Athywren — “I’m also really bad at keeping email conversations going… but I’m sure you haven’t noticed that!”…I really hadn’t.

You wound me, ser! You wound me!

But, as you know, I’ve been writing a WP theme from scratch and mmm PHP. It’ serving to keep me distracted (and I have yet to get the white page of death! [bad PHP all too often results in a white page, no errors like HTML or JS, no way to color code your way to finding your fuck up like CSS, nada, nothing, white page of death])

Of course you don’t get an error – there’s nothing to return an error unless it prints something, and it won’t print unless it’s properly coded… damn you, semicolons!
I used to use cpad, which did colour code most things, and made sure to keep things well tabbed so it didn’t get too confusing to scan through… but this is probably teaching you to suck eggs, so I’ll hush up now. Of course, it gets confusing when they get too nested.
I’d offer to help with that, but it’s almost a decade since I used php with intent, and code is like cooking – too many cooks, etc etc. Though, if you do have any pieces you want to outsource for any reason, you know where I am. 🙂

Now, I’m trying to picture a scenario in which AVfMers are able to convince Paul Elam to reconsider his position on x, through thoughtful discussion and reasonable arguments.

:: laughs so long and hard that she ruptures stomach muscles ::

And this is why I love this place so much — and why MRAs/AVfM deserve only mockery.

It’s funny, isn’t it? When we agree, it shows we’re dogmatic. When we disagree, it show we’re dogmatic. When we discuss our disagreements and come to an agreement, it shows we’re dogmatic. It’s almost as if their conclusion is more important than the evidence. 😛

Falconer
11 years ago

@athywren: We can’t be dogmatic, we’re weasels in cat suits in a David suit. Dogs would go crazy anywhere near us.

titianblue
titianblue
11 years ago

It is so frustrating reading the comments after the article that @cassandrasays links to.

Article: We can raise boys not to be rapists and here’s the evidence.
Comments: We’ll completely ignore that because we’d rather discuss victim-blaming.

Aaagh

Falconer
11 years ago

@titianblue: Didn’t you realize? The Internet Poo-Flinging Howler Monkeys give clicks. Clicks mean revenue, right? That’s not an outdated business model at all. Anyway, since clicks = revenue, IPFHMs (copyright 2013 CassandraSays) now Own Your Ass and you will write about what they want you to write about.

cf. all those trolls who come in here demanding David write about their pet issues, when they’re not saying “Call yourself a journalist?!”

cloudiah
11 years ago

Falconer, Love your new (?) avatar.

Falconer
11 years ago

Thank you! It’s Halloween, I thought I ought to honor the occasion. Does that make me weasels in cat suits in a David suit in a rubber suit? SUITCEPTION!!

Last year I “dressed up” my avatar as Minsc from Baldur’s Gate, briefly. I don’t recall anyone noticing, and then I had second thoughts because Minsc is neuroatypical.

katz
11 years ago
Falconer
11 years ago

Sweet!

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Someone who’s not doing X doesn’t need to start their comment with “I’m not doing X, but…”

Let’s test this theory.

“I’m not a cannibal, but you have to agree that people taste pretty darn good if you cook them right.”

“I’m not a goblin, but you certainly must agree that stealing babies in the night is the most rewarding hobby ever.”

“Now, nobody could ever accuse me of being an elf, but you have to admit that pointy ears are the best kind of ears. And bows are awesome.”

Hmm.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“You wound me, ser! You wound me!”

Nawh, I didn’t notice cuz I do the same. And I code in notepad/TextEdit and dear gods yes to fucking indents!

Also WP’s comments.php functions are hellish.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Ehh…

“I’m not a woman but I like skirts”? Stuff with gender roles could break that template.

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