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At A Voice for Men, dead baby jokes are a form of “men’s human rights activism.”

Just because it's you baby doesn't mean it's your trash. Don't be that girl.
Men’s Rights “humor” at its finest.

The self-described ‘Men’s Human Rights Activists” at A Voice for Men have shown time and time again that they have approximately zero interest in actually promoting human rights, but would rather devote their time (and the more than $100,000 the site collects in donations annually) to attacking feminists and women in general.

The latest bit of evidence? The “meme” above, designed not to actually raise awareness of child abandonment but as a sort of “gotcha” aimed at one of their favorite targets, the “Don’t Be That Guy” anti-rape campaign that has been credited with significantly bringing down the incidence of rape in at least one major Canadian city.

AVFM’s Paul Elam introduces the “meme” with this little bit of vitriol:

For those unfortunates who did not get the memo that the Don’t be That Guy meme campaign was offensive because it painted all men as potential rapists, then perhaps this meme will drive that point home. Remember, Don’t be That Hypocrite.

If we pretend for a moment that AVFM’s meme is intended to address a real social problem — child abandonment — do Elam’s claims of hypocrisy make any sense?

Rape is widespread; roughly 1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. Men (outside of jail) also face the risk of rape, mostly from other men, though the numbers are much lower; the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign addressed that issue as well. (Incarcerated men  — and women — face a much higher risk of rape, at least in the United States, where prison rape is treated as a joke; LGBT prisoners are disproportionately targeted.) Most rape victims know their attackers, making the “date rape” focus of the awareness campaign doubly appropriate. RAINN reports that there are more than 200,000 victims of sexual assault in the US every year.

While the number of rapes is obviously higher than the number of rapists, there’s still a tremendous number of rapists in the general population — and a lot of people who witness rapey behavior, and who might be inspired by the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign to step up and step in to stop it.

Child abandonment, while horrific, is not widespread. While solid data on the actual number of babies abandoned is scanty, the numbers reported tend to be in the hundreds, not the hundreds of thousands, per year. One 2011 story in the New York Times, for example, noted that 63 babies were abandoned illegally in Illinois over the previous ten years. One article I found on the Columbia Journalism School website cited “an unpublished 1999 report by the Department of Health and Human Services [that] found that 108 infants were abandoned in 1998 out of 4 million births.”

In any case, anyone who was truly interested in reducing the numbers of babies illegally abandoned, quite possibly leading to their deaths, would have provided information about “safe haven” laws (which exist in all 50 states in the US) that allow parents to legally give up their babies while ensuring that they will be cared for.

Rape is a crime of entitlement; child abandonment is a crime of desperation. Providing young mothers who are feeling overwhelmed to the point of panic about an alternative to dumping their baby illegally seems a somewhat more sensible approach than shaming them. AVFM’s meme graphic of course provides no such information.

That’s no surprise. As Elam’s intro makes clear, he and his fellow “Human Rights Activists” don’t actually give a shit about abandoned babies. The comments about this new meme are, well, instructive in this regard. For most of the commenters, it seems, this dead baby joke of a graphic is a most hilarious form of human rights activism.

Some selections from the comments:

baby1baby2baby3baby4

And apparently only the thought of me “twisting” their words kept some of them from making even more blatant dead baby jokes.

baby5

Truly the most important Human Rights Movement of the 21st Century.

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titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Paul has your outstripped in Alexa.

although I’m not a fan of strip poker or other stripping games so I think we should leave this element out. Otherwise, run with it. I think this fantasy novel/game thing could work. /silly

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

He regularly outmaneuvers you with his pithy blog posts, flicking aside your “rebuttals” as if they were nothing more than a fly.

Oooh, I see where you’re going here. Instead of rolling dice, we use skill at tiddlywinks to determine damage etc. I like it – a mixture of skill & luck. This is a great idea.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Stick a fork in it, David.

Does this mean there’ll be cake? Tell me there’ll be cake. A fantasy roleplaying game, including transformer weapons, crossed with tiddlywinks plus added cake. Where do I sign up?

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

titianblue: I think I prefer Dread‘s use of “pulls” from a Jenga tower. Of course, that’s a horror RPG, and the idea is to steadily amp up the tension by making it harder and harder to succeed.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

@freemage Jenga would work too. Just need to keep it well away from the cake. Jenga-squashed cake – not a good thing. 😉

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

Well, unless you did it a little differently… I’m now imagining a Jenga tower made of Kit-Kat segments. You’d need to keep the room chilly, though, or melting chocolate would make pulls get a LOT harder, fast.

cloudiah
6 years ago

And now I want cake. Thanks, troll! ::growls::

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Adds “Multipack of kitkats” to shopping list …

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

Oh my stars and garters…. Pharyngula has linked to another MRA site, and it’s… glorious in it its pomposity. Gentlefolk, I give you… Thumotic!

For extra fun, look at this takedown of the very name of the site, by Pharyngula’s excellent poster, cartomancer:

Slightly later, Plato conceived of thumos as a wild black horse, alongside the equally wild white horse eros (desire), both of which needed to be controlled by logos (reason), their charioteer. Thumos was absolutely not something to revel in – it was dangerous, and needed a steady rein. To Plato a group styling themselves as ardent devotees of thumos would be pitifully inadequate as men, because men have a rational faculty and should know better. Throughout archaic, classical and Hellenistic Greek thought, thumos is consistently presented as something to be wary of and keep a lid on – useful only when deployed with care and circumspection.

katz
6 years ago

But if the kit kats were melty enough, the goo might help hold the tower together.

SittieKitty
6 years ago

But then the tower will topple if you try to pull one out. The game wouldn’t last long if it melted. It also wouldn’t be great because you can’t eat them during the game ;_;

katz
6 years ago

Freemage: I love that site already. David hasn’t written about that beautiful graph yet, has he?

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

katz: I don’t think so, though I know some folks here mentioned the original Pharyngula article about it.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

How did a miss that gem of a post from Kronos?

He [Paul fucking Elem] regularly outmaneuvers you with his pithy blog posts, flicking aside your “rebuttals” as if they were nothing more than a fly.

Pithy?

Thanks for the laughs Kronos and have a Happy Halloween!

Shadow
Shadow
6 years ago

Hi David,

So I take it that, according to you, we shouldn’t address problems that are less common than others? Nice try, but your pathetic “logic” is anything but.

Paul has your outstripped in Alexa.

He had you outgunned, with his staff.

He regularly outmaneuvers you with his pithy blog posts, flicking aside your “rebuttals” as if they were nothing more than a fly.

Stick a fork in it, David. Give it up.

Give me an “E”!!!! “E”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give me an “A”!!!! “A”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give me an “L”!!!! “L”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give me a “M”!!!! “M”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What does it spell?!!!! *crickets*

Shadow
Shadow
6 years ago

* L before A, obviously *slinks away embarassedly*

SittieKitty
6 years ago

spells male backward if you L before A

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

@shadow

Don’t worry, Kronos checked Alexa and found out no one reads this site because they are in the thrall of Paul Elem and his crack staff.

katz
6 years ago

Don’t worry, Kronos checked Alexa and found out no one reads this site because they are in the thrall of Paul Elem and his crack staff.

We already knew that David didn’t get any traffic because Pell used his leverage as a major ISP shareholder to install a keylogger on David’s server.

kittehserf
6 years ago

both of which needed to be controlled by logos (reason), their charioteer.

I totally read that as legos.

Thumos, Eros, Legos Logos and sidekick

Shadow
Shadow
6 years ago

@sittiekitty

It’s why I’ve always thought that Elam was an alias. Now, I think he was created for the sole purpose of WATMing

@Brooked

A cracked staff would explain his constant grouchiness

kittehserf
6 years ago

What’s WATM, Shadow? All I’m getting on Google are ads for cranes. 😛

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

We already knew that David didn’t get any traffic because Pell used his leverage as a major ISP shareholder to install a keylogger on David’s server.

But… it’s a server, what keystrokes is it going to log?

kittehserf
6 years ago

Don’t try to make sense of Pell’s word salads, it’ll make your brain melt.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

…but it’s a server!
My nose sure is running a lot suddenly…

kittehserf
6 years ago

::hands Athywren bunch of Kleenex Man-Size Tissues::

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

Did Kronos try to do an appeal to popularity as an argument? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

We already knew that David didn’t get any traffic because Pell used his leverage as a major ISP shareholder to install a keylogger on David’s server.

I thought we were all David (or cats or ferrets in David suits, or David in a variety of cat and ferret suits). This site actually has no traffic at all, because there is only David, posting and then commenting as hundreds of sock puppets. It’s exhausting, I must confess, especially when David comments from all around the world, all day and all night. I never sleep.

kittehserf
6 years ago

It’s scary new kitty gravatar day! 😯

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

kittehs – MEROW. >:D

kittehserf
6 years ago

Eeeeeeek!

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

The best to scare away MRAs with. *nodnod*

kittehserf
6 years ago

Feminist Halloween kitty!

SittieKitty
6 years ago

what about the menzing kitteh

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

@Kitteh
I is a vampire cat!

kittehserf
6 years ago

I thought you might be, Athywren! 😀

… though aren’t all cats vampires?

Aren’t you a cute kitty ::pat pat pat:: OW!

Shadow
Shadow
6 years ago

@kitteh’s

Like sittiekitty said, What About The Menzing

kittehserf
6 years ago

neuroticbeagle winz the pics again!

I wish I had a pic of Offie (RIP) that showed his maginificent vampire fangs. You can get a glimpse of one here. Between them, his general looks and his voice he was one scary cat, but he was a sweetheart.

CassandraSays
6 years ago

That cat has ears like a bat. He was a vampire!

kittehserf
6 years ago

PS “Offie” was short for Off Licence. Don’t ask, his dad never did say why he gave him that name! (Yes, I know what an off licence is. I lived on chocolate biscuits from one when I was in Edinburgh.)

CassandraSays
6 years ago

Hey, one of my besties from high school had a cat named Stir Fry (because the cat tried to climb into a wok full of same as a kitten).

kittehserf
6 years ago

Ears like a bat and the voice of the banshee, typical Oriental cat, that boy! 🙂

This feller (called Bela!) is quite like him:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3105/3196707989_1e18867f4f_z.jpg

kittehserf
6 years ago

STIR FRY oh dear! 😀

SittieKitty
6 years ago

he’s beautiful kitteh, did you know the breed? almost looks havana, but not brown…

kittehserf
6 years ago

He was an Oriental Black, as far as I knew. No idea whether he was purebred, but that breed certainly predominated. He was a lovely boy, though; I wish I’d had time to meet him again (I was with him for a few weeks flat-sitting). If you Google “Oriental black” the images that come up are just like him.

Neko Namida
Neko Namida
6 years ago

Gentlefolk, I give you… Thumotic!

Wow. Reading their site gave me a headache. The first post is about Sexual Market Value. You would think someone with such an academic background could grasp a concept as simple as the difference between objective and subjective to realize that making a graph determining value does not make it accurate to how sexuality plays out in reality and is certainly not something to be used to make generalizations about evolutionary mechanics at work in society.

I love how the post starts off with a valid critique of how the graph isn’t actually measuring anything substantial by PZ Meyers and the blog writer admits to being ignorant of him and yet calls him a Young Earth Creationist or a Scientologist and rags on his wrongly perceived scientific beliefs without directly rebuffing his critique. Goes to show that having a strong academic education and background does not necessarily make you intelligent.