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Redditor fights Jaclyn Friedman’s accusations of Men’s Rights misogyny with … more misogyny

Proper credentials are very important in internet arguments
Proper credentials are very important in internet arguments

Well, so far this is my favorite response to Jaclyn Friedman’s American Prospect piece on the Men’s Rightsers and that woman-hating problem of theirs. Because what better way to refute charges of misogyny than by declaring derisively that you “can usually spot whether or not a woman wrote a piece by the first few sentences?”

Let’s let rjworks13 explain just why Friedman lacks the intellectual heft to be taken seriously by serious men with credentials — sorry, CREDENTIALS — like him:

rjworks13 3 points 5 hours ago (4|1)  I'm still uncertain if posting these pamphleteer hack writers should be posted in this men's rights forum. Hear me out. CREDENTIALS: I'm a long-time trained technical and creative writer from male-based military training and put to use over 20 years. I've gotten so gifted (or cursed) that I can usually spot whether or not a woman wrote a piece by the first few sentences. I'm probably one of the few males who have read all of Susan Faludi's work - she's actually an impressive writer, feminist or no.  Jaclyn Friedman is a hack huckster. She's at the low end of the feminist writer pool with a Master's of Fine Arts in Creative Writing. Not impressive. Her claim to fame is to act as rear guard for Women, Action and the Media (WAM), a watchdog organization to exploit the missives of any opposition to the feminist movement which now controls the media. Unlike Susan Faludi, her intent is not to give any men's groups a fair shake. Notice how she took down every sub-group of the MRM. That's her strategy - to flesh out any and all real or perceived faults with the MRM by attacking it's sub-parts. Her writes are propaganda in style telling women how to think about MRAs, MGTOW and man (including players) in general. Our response should be simply that we dismiss anything written or published by Jaclyn Friedman and those like her.  MRMs should practice and demonstrate a standing rule. "We do not recognize individuals or groups who use deceptive rhetoric, lies, indifference propaganda or hate tactics, to shore up opposition against the the benevolent efforts of egalitarianism of any sexual orientation, seeking the manifestation of legislative egalitarian values." My 2 cents.

Oh boy.

I have to say that very favorite sentence of all in this wondrous bit of HeManWomanHatersplaining is this one, if it can even be called a sentence:

CREDENTIALS: I’m a long-time trained technical and creative writer from male-based military training and put to use over 20 years.

Oy. I can only assume from the evidence of this, er, sentence, that as a technical writer his job is to make sure that instruction manuals are as unreadable as possible. And that his “creative” writing most likely consists of many volumes of self-published Gorean porn.

If you want to compare Jaclyn Friedman’s CREDENTIALS with his, you can always go to her Wikipedia entry. I looked around a bit for rjworks13’s Wikipedia entry, but he doesn’t seem to have one.

rjworks13 was evidently so proud of this bit of writing of his that he deleted it. Luckily, I grabbed a screenshot beforehand. ABS: Always Be Screenshotting.

PS What’s “indifference propaganda?”

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Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Valerian – because not having an SO is DA WORST THING EVAS!11! And if you don’t have one, then you’re not worthy to live, because the world OWES you an SO. 🙄

kittehserf
11 years ago

And this coming from a little creep who (when he was infesting the comments here) was only a few months out of a relationship. Yes, a relationship, as in sexytimes, as in he’s not incel or virgin or desperate or any of the other things he claims to be.

He could have a whole Darwin Award category to himself if he doesn’t ever reproduce.

La Strega
11 years ago

re/ GGG

I think he’s the one who posted anonymously to my blog accusing me of completely misunderstanding him. I went back and tried to figure out if I had indeed misunderstood what he was asking for, but soon gave up because the bottom line was, I didn’t care enough to wade through the rambling. He is a very boring AND a very sad young man.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

*sigh* threatening suicide as a manipulation tactic does sound like him

kittehserf
11 years ago

He’s done it before, iirc.

La Strega
11 years ago

Holy cow, I just that post and now I’m worried for his mom’s safety.

I read this s**t, and then I worry about the people closest to these guys. Like the other night, I was up worrying about “Bill’s Wife” after she popped up here (about which he stated, “I was not thrilled…”)

OK, signing off now… Gotta go back to my life…

SittieKitty
11 years ago

GGG is just sad. There’s really no other way to put it. Sad and pathetic.

Does incel include women and non-binary genders or just men? I’ve always wondered…

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Women are sexual gatekeepers, who can get laid whenever they want!

Non-binaries don’t exist to these folks? Idk really. I do know that by sex = penetration standards, I’ve been celibate, uh, six years? And by any standard it’s been two years. And this is me whining on the internet…oh wait, no, I’m good, I mean, I miss my pharm student, but that’s not “oh poor me I can’ together can’t get laid”, that’s missing zir in particular, sexytimes are just icing there.

Marie
11 years ago

@SittieKitty

If you’re a woman who’s incel, it’s probably by choice, according to misogynists* I don’t think they even acknowledge non-binary genders. I haven’t yet figured out how things work with same sex couples in incel logic land.

*forget which group the incel dudes are…I can’t keep them all straight anyway 😛

kittehserf
11 years ago

Since women are apparently sluts who can/do get laid all the time, at the same time as being utterly uninterested in sex, having no sex drive at all and having to be persuaded with $$$$ or tricked into sex (when we’re not spermjacking, of course) then I guess it’s impossible for us to be incel.

La Strega – GGG’s been ranting on in this vein for years. I don’t know if he’ll ever do anything, but I do know he’s full of shit.

Pierre knows it too.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

*snort* Depending on sexual standards, I’ve NEVER been laid, consensually or not. But those standards aren’t mine or my husband’s; we’re both pretty happy.

I somehow managed to miss GGG’s run, so I only know about him in the most basic terms. Someone give me the troll baseball card version, or relevant posts?

kittehserf
11 years ago

Argh, anyone remember or know how to find the threads where he was ranting? I tried search and ctrl f for incel and government gets girlfriends but it’s not helping.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

I wonder if I’ll ever understand incels… I’ve been single for roughly three years now, and it really isn’t a huge problem. I mean, it sucks that my last relationship ended, because she was brilliant, and it kinda sucks that I haven’t found anyone with whom I shared a mutual interest since then, but it’s not like there’s some massive hole in my life in desperate need of filling.
It’s like DLC. I’ve got the full game, and I’m enjoying it. I’m not opposed to getting the relationship and sex expansions, I’d quite like to if I’m honest, but the main game is keeping me perfectly entertained, and I don’t want to get a version of those expansions that’s incompatible with my gaming platform.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Kitteh — the googlefu trick is “site:manboobz.com topic”, swap topic out and put in whatever you’re searching for.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
11 years ago

kittehserf,

He didn’t comment under those names here, I’m pretty sure, but I can’t remember what he posted as. I think he might have been using someone else’s name.

However, as promised, here are my babies snuggling:

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Hey everyone, aw lovely, lovely kitties wordsp1nner.

So I followed that link @Valerian, and ended up at GGG’s blog.

So far down the rabbit hole….lots and lots of poo.

Also, anagram time!

Robin Thicke = Itchier Knob.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke. 🙂

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

I came out male, informal and weak male European, formal.
Must be ’cause. I’m so sweary, and we all know feeeemales don’t swear!

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Bloody, sodding hell, where did that full stop come from? I’m starting to hate my ipad.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Ophelia – Damn it, now I really do need to sanitize my fucking dirty shitty potty mouth. 🙁

*is kidding*

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Hey Alice, I hope you’re feeling okay, sorry about the horribles you experienced. Lots of hugs coming your way if you want them. 🙂

That goes for everybody else too, I’ve caught up and am so sorry if anyone is feeling sad.
Lots of hugs. 🙂

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Okay, WTF is this? Over on GGG’s shit heap he says in the ‘About me’ section:

3. Are you incel?
Currently seeing somebody but only for sex, which makes me partially incel, as I am not in a relationship. Was incel for most of the period between 14-24.

Am I missing something here? Partially incel but fucking? Really?

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Oh, by that standard yep, six years. FWB apparently still means incel…interesting, cuz it sure didn’t feel…uh, never mind, TMI, you get my point here.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Wait, what? I know they don’t know what words mean, but do they even know what words mean!?

kittehserf
11 years ago

KITTIEEEEEEEEEEES!

*ahem

Incel seems to change meaning according to GGG’s whim of the moment. If he’s now changed it to mean “not in a LTR” or even “not married” he’s just weaseling with words, again. Celibacy means not married and sexually abstinent. I’m not aware that “doesn’t get as much sex as he wants/doesn’t get sex on demand” counts. As to LTR – he’d better get used to that, because nobody’s likely to want one with such a whiney, petulant, manipulative little skeeve.

Gillian
Gillian
11 years ago

Those are cute kitties, wordsp1nner.

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