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Redditor fights Jaclyn Friedman’s accusations of Men’s Rights misogyny with … more misogyny

Proper credentials are very important in internet arguments
Proper credentials are very important in internet arguments

Well, so far this is my favorite response to Jaclyn Friedman’s American Prospect piece on the Men’s Rightsers and that woman-hating problem of theirs. Because what better way to refute charges of misogyny than by declaring derisively that you “can usually spot whether or not a woman wrote a piece by the first few sentences?”

Let’s let rjworks13 explain just why Friedman lacks the intellectual heft to be taken seriously by serious men with credentials — sorry, CREDENTIALS — like him:

rjworks13 3 points 5 hours ago (4|1)  I'm still uncertain if posting these pamphleteer hack writers should be posted in this men's rights forum. Hear me out. CREDENTIALS: I'm a long-time trained technical and creative writer from male-based military training and put to use over 20 years. I've gotten so gifted (or cursed) that I can usually spot whether or not a woman wrote a piece by the first few sentences. I'm probably one of the few males who have read all of Susan Faludi's work - she's actually an impressive writer, feminist or no.  Jaclyn Friedman is a hack huckster. She's at the low end of the feminist writer pool with a Master's of Fine Arts in Creative Writing. Not impressive. Her claim to fame is to act as rear guard for Women, Action and the Media (WAM), a watchdog organization to exploit the missives of any opposition to the feminist movement which now controls the media. Unlike Susan Faludi, her intent is not to give any men's groups a fair shake. Notice how she took down every sub-group of the MRM. That's her strategy - to flesh out any and all real or perceived faults with the MRM by attacking it's sub-parts. Her writes are propaganda in style telling women how to think about MRAs, MGTOW and man (including players) in general. Our response should be simply that we dismiss anything written or published by Jaclyn Friedman and those like her.  MRMs should practice and demonstrate a standing rule. "We do not recognize individuals or groups who use deceptive rhetoric, lies, indifference propaganda or hate tactics, to shore up opposition against the the benevolent efforts of egalitarianism of any sexual orientation, seeking the manifestation of legislative egalitarian values." My 2 cents.

Oh boy.

I have to say that very favorite sentence of all in this wondrous bit of HeManWomanHatersplaining is this one, if it can even be called a sentence:

CREDENTIALS: I’m a long-time trained technical and creative writer from male-based military training and put to use over 20 years.

Oy. I can only assume from the evidence of this, er, sentence, that as a technical writer his job is to make sure that instruction manuals are as unreadable as possible. And that his “creative” writing most likely consists of many volumes of self-published Gorean porn.

If you want to compare Jaclyn Friedman’s CREDENTIALS with his, you can always go to her Wikipedia entry. I looked around a bit for rjworks13’s Wikipedia entry, but he doesn’t seem to have one.

rjworks13 was evidently so proud of this bit of writing of his that he deleted it. Luckily, I grabbed a screenshot beforehand. ABS: Always Be Screenshotting.

PS What’s “indifference propaganda?”

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Lady Mondegreen
11 years ago

…to shore up opposition against the the benevolent efforts of egalitarianism of any sexual orientation, seeking the manifestation of legislative egalitarian values.

And dude presumes to critique other people’s writing!?

What’s “indifference propaganda?”

That’s when we laugh at them.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
11 years ago

Learning to fight with your dick?

“I see your schwartz is as big as mine, but can it handle as well?”

Here’s something I learned watching mindless television: Yiddish slang for penis is “schmuck” as in Dinner for Schmucks. Schwartz is Yiddish for black. (I checked an on-line Yiddish to English dictionary. My goodness, there are a lot of Yiddish words that have been adopted into colloquial north american English.)

I did the genderguesser thing. My extremely apologetic email to a co-worker (for grossly misunderstanding her) came out as weakly male. A page out of the romance novel I’m writing came out as weakly female. Not sure what to make of that, really.

Runic
Runic
11 years ago

To be fair that is a very creatively written sentence. It is completely unbound by conventional ideas about correct English grammar. Very avant-garde.

Scary Trees (@AaronMDellutri)

@Hyperio | October 26, 2013 at 5:48 pm

Minecraft subreddit is rather decent – but it has its rules that forbid sexism among other things, and it’s focused on a game. So far I didn’t see anything that would break the rules so I guess it’s rather well moderated.

I avoid most of the reddit for obvious reasons though.

Thanks for the info. I wondered.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Lady Mondegreen – See “I is MANLY MAN” credentials above. *nod*

kittehserf
11 years ago

What is this male-based training? Learning to fight with your dick?

Oh noes, it’s Cock-Rub Warriors of Mars!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

My brother swears that the subreddits for sharing cute animals pictures are only full of cute.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Got to love this. I just compared Louis’s writing (his latest channelled piece, that is) and mine.

Him: weak FEMALE, possibly European

Mine: MALE

Pffffffftlol

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Kittehserf

Oh, the Cockrub Warriors of Mars. YOU WILL BE FOREVER REMEMBERED.

MordsithJ
MordsithJ
11 years ago

@scary trees
Short Scary Stories is a subreddit I read often. The people are there to read and work on their writing skills, so there’s no bullshit. At least I have seen any.

katz
11 years ago

PS if you send me something please send something that you haven’t published on a blog or anything, since I don’t want people to be able to Google it and find out who wrote it.

MordsithJ
MordsithJ
11 years ago

*haven’t* seen any.

AK
AK
11 years ago

@katz, can I ask real quick, this survey isn’t going to be for-profit or anything, is it? I’m happy to contribute but I only have limited rights on some of the samples I’d send you, and I want to be safe. 😉

kittehserf
11 years ago

katz, I doubt I can help with the survey; pretty well everything Louis or I write makes our genders aparrent to anyone except a machine. 😉

AK
AK
11 years ago

I should add, the samples I’d send haven’t been published online so you pretty much would have just have to have read an obscure trade journal or two to figure out who really wrote them, and it’s doubtful said journals would actually care if I republished an excerpt even on a for-profit site, but I like to be careful. But if you prefer previously unpublished work that’s cool too. 🙂

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: MordsithJ

That reddit actually sounds kinda cool! (And very seasonally appropriate!)

Also, this is my last linkspam until it opens, I promise, but I am opening spookathon on October 30th! Give me prompts on the theme of ‘the spook,’ whether that means spiders or spies, sponsor other folks’ stories, and earn bonus illustrations and free words! If you want to give me a prompt early, like Argenti did in another thread, that’s totally fine too.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Isn’t against men’s rights pretty decent on reddit? I mean, granted, they exist solely because of the men’s rights movement and subreddit, but they’re still a good thing, as far as I remember.

kittehserf
11 years ago

What about Shit Reddit Says? Same thing applies.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

@LBT
For the benefit of those of us who are still recent to the site and aren’t entirely familiar with everything everyone does [basically, I’m asking for me], what’s spookathon?

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
11 years ago

Just submitted some school essays on the gender guesser; like a lot of people I got “weak male” with a “European” suggestion, and I’m female. I am white so I guess the European thing isn’t totally weird.

What does “weak” refer to on that? Does it mean they’re not totally sure if you’re male, or that you’re not a very “manly” male?

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

katz – Second sample I sent you is from a private journal, has never been published (to my knowledge). Knock yourself out.

kittehserf
11 years ago

I think it’s just about the percentages the thing comes up with on word usage and so on. The makers themselves say it’s at best 60-70% accurate, so “better than a random guess” is about all they’re claiming for it.

pineapplecookies
pineapplecookies
11 years ago

Her writes are propaganda in style telling women how to think about MRAs, MGTOW and man (including players) in general.

Does this even make sense? Because I had to read it about three times to kind of get it… actually, I find the whole text quite confusing.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Schwartz is Yiddish for black.

And “schvantz” is the word LBT was looking for.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Athywren — LBT, among other things, writes. He’s been doing sorta fundraiser type things with a theme and -athon tacked on the end, cuz they are write-a-thons. So spookathon is one with the theme of “the spook”.