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Attention-seeking manosphere guru Roosh V posts article on “Why You Should Beat Your Kids” [UPDATE: Was it plagiarized?]

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So it seems that some Men’s Rightsers and manospherians, reveling in the negative attention they’ve managed to get from the mainstream for some of their more reprehensible postings, have decided to up the ante a bit, posting stuff that’s so deliberately over the top in its despicableness that even some of their readers have been taken aback.

A case in point: A paean to child abuse recently posted on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog. (Let me put a big TRIGGER WARNING on all the quotes from it that follow.)

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In Why You Should Beat Your Kids, guest poster Rebel Yell argues — well, asserts — that

Beating builds character, and in my estimation, is the solution for today’s flabby, emasculated, and gynocentric culture.

The piece is filled with such wisdom as:

If you don’t beat your kids your son will end up banging some dude and your daughter will become an anarcha-feminist with an unshorn vag.

Yep. For you see, the beatings being advocated here are intended to enforce the patriarchal, homophobic, antifeminist, and even the fatphobic views favored by Roosh and his readers:

[T]oday’s kids … should be beat constantly until they realize that they can’t get away and have to fight back to survive.  Beat until they lose their narcissistic attitude and accept that weakness is never an option. Beat until she loses weight and he stops playing with Barbie dolls.

Rebel Yell devotes much of the post to an obviously fictional tale of his own upbringing — which naturally involved a lot of beatings at the hands of his dad — before concluding with an exceedingly vicious attack on some favorite manosphere villains. Who happen to be real people.

Do us all a favor: beat your kids from time to time. If this simple rule was followed Miley Cyrus would shut the fuck up because Billy Ray laid a black eye on his slut daughter, Perez Hilton would be shamed to suicide, and Lindy West would die an ignoble death somewhere in the hinterlands of Hell. After all, Satan is male, right?

This is just straight up harassment.

Like some Men’s Rights activists who revel in saying vile things but try to wriggle out of taking moral responsibility for what they say, Roosh has declared that Rebel Yell’s post was “meant to be satire.”

Clearly Roosh has no idea what satire is. So here is a brief refresher. Satire is

the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

In other words, you need to actually disagree with the views you are satirizing. As I’ve pointed out before, when Jonathan Swift wrote his famous Modest Proposal, he didn’t actually believe that eating babies was a good idea. If he had, it wouldn’t have been satire, just a really fucked up essay by a really fucked up weirdo.

The only way Rebel Yell’s post would be satire would be if it were intended as a takedown of misogynist assholes who believe that beatings and bullying are an appropriate response to such supposed social ills as feminism, homosexuality, sluttiness, and obesity, and who hate Jezebel writer Lindy West so much they like to imagine her dead.

But that’s not a description of the sort of people who Roosh and his readers are against; that’s a description of who they are. Indeed, Roosh and his pals in the manosphere just devoted a week to a celebration of anti-fat bullying.

These guys are in many ways beyond satire. It’s hard to imagine anyone more exaggeratedly awful than they already are.

EDIT: And it turns out that this allegedly “humorous” post — as a number of people have pointed out — seems to have been plagiarized in part from a post by misogynistic “humorist” Maddox. Some similar passages:

MADDOX:  If you don’t beat your kids when they fall out of line, the next thing you know your son will go off and bang some dude in the ass just out of spite.

REBEL YELL: If you don’t beat your kids your son will end up banging some dude and your daughter will become an anarcha-feminist with an unshorn vag.

MADDOX: The problem is that kids today think their opinions matter. By not beating your kids, they get a skewed perspective of reality … .

REBEL YELL: Beat until they realize that their opinions don’t matter.

And then there’s this. [TRIGGER WARNING for graphics even worse than the quotes so far.]

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Maddox illustrated his post with this graphic, now available as a t-shirt:

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Return of Kings illustrated its post with this picture and a nearly identical caption.

From Return of Kings
From Return of Kings

So Return of Kings is not even original in its offensiveness.

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SittieKitty
11 years ago

There is some evidence to suggest that hitting a child on the hand or whatever when they’re doing something which will be fatal (like a fork in a light socket) is actually a good deterrent, but it has to be immediate, and not a moment after they’ve stopped, and it has to be once and sudden and not happen at other times.

Marie
11 years ago

@argenti

Thanks for the hugs :3 And jedi hugs back at you, if you want them.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Fribbie haz taken over the internetz! 😯

She is, of course, correct.

It’s like the Real Reasons knitting was invented:
so humans would sit down and provide lap time
and
provide distracting strings for kitties to play with.

http://youtu.be/2gqTT31pwV8

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

“Fribbie haz taken over the internetz!”

She is part of the Hivemind. She is one of the many cats in the ferret suit that makes up David.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

neuroticbeagle – LOLOLOL, kitty snark. 🙂

Thankee for hugs, here’s some more to add to the hug barrel: *drops hugs into barrel for anyone who wants it*

kittehserf
11 years ago

neuroticbeagle – this is truth. Just think, anywhere one sees a cat, or a ferret … there is David.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
11 years ago

All your anger suggests a heapin’ helping of denial.

No. Our anger means we have functioning moral compasses.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Just offering more hugs to all beloved manboobzers.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Denial of what exactly? That it’s satire?

Which is it, we’re angry because we’re denying his TRUTH, or it’s satire? Can’t have it both ways.

Fi
Fi
11 years ago

Ouch, people’s stories…. all the hugs, tea, sympathy and stray fur you guys want and/or need.

I come from a country that has shocking statistics for very small children being beaten to death, so seeing some asshole try to write off shit like this as “satire”… well, he can shove his obviously malfunctioning dictionary up his butt.

Fi
Fi
11 years ago

And yes, I deny that it is satire, or that if it were meant to be taken seriously (which, obvs), that it is an effective method of child-rearing.

BritterSweet
11 years ago

We need more Brain Bleach.

naltia
naltia
11 years ago

@BritterSweet Your video linked to this one, but I think it’s appropriate to all of this:

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

@Draconius

Welcome!!

I am not a fan of child abuse. No, really, I am not.

I think the term Rebel Yell needs to be introduced to is advocate.

And as someone who grew up in a country, and a culture, that endorsed corporal punishment, and who got his share of it, this is straight up child abuse. I see too many people try to hide this type of bullshit as corporal punishment, and I want to call it out for the bullshit it is before some apologist comes in here and tries that shit.

kittehserf
11 years ago

naltia, yay for kitty avatars! Is that your feline overlord?

Showing off kitty avatars IS constructive. 🙂

katz
11 years ago

Fuck, I just watched Ellen videos for half an hour.

kittehserf
11 years ago

LOL could be worse ways to spend thirty minutes.

I see that Ian “rusted on knickers” Ironwood was dispensing PUA wisdom on Pharyngula. Didn’t last long, of course; PZ kicked him out pretty quickly. Entertaining while it lasted, though.

Communication ASP
Communication ASP
11 years ago

I actualy think a few brushes with violence is necessary – but the kid needs to fight people he can beat, people his own size. The kid can’t beat his father back, and either way the family is supposed to be a unit of love and compassion and a shelter from the harsh world. The kid will have plenty of violence to deal with outside.

That’s why, if I had kids, and they’d get bullied, I’d encourage them to beat those bullies with no mercy. After all, the school system doesn’t defend our kids – it defends the bullies.

This is a really disgusting article

Nitram
Nitram
11 years ago

Hugs to all you survivors of child abuse in various forms.

Argenti,

I do believe in natural consequences, like if you hit a dog it snaps at you, if you hit a cat it will tear your face off, etc. but I’m not so sure about hitting your child, even in danger. There’s really no evidence to suggest it works as a future deterrent. That being said, there’s nothing to suggest it’s detrimental either. I have 2 kids and I have completely lost my shit on more than one occasion. They can bring you to the Dark Side. I’ve slapped my son, after he slapped me, I’ve screamed and yelled, said stupid things. The only thing I’ve learned from any of it is the more angry and aggressive I get, the more it escalates the situation and completely backfires. Regret always follows. I don’t regret yanking him out of the street and scaring him so he won’t do it again, but hitting in that situation just seems inappropriate and I haven’t seen any research to support its effectiveness. Are you thinking just when they’re little and you can’t talk to them about why it’s dangerous?

Radical Parrot
11 years ago

Read this via http://thatfeministdyke.tumblr.com/ and found it fitting. All Manospherians and other misogynist racist asshats should understand this.

fyi ‘satire’ isn’t just ‘hyperbolic exaggeration of the same shit we usually see with a disclaimer that it’s different.’ There actually has to be, like, an element of condemnation in its thesis.

It’s not ironic if it actively celebrates what it’s condemning.

Also:

#Family Guy has convinced an entire generation that satire means saying something bigoted and then screaming ‘Just kidding!’

Marie
11 years ago

@communication ASP

I actualy think a few brushes with violence is necessary – but the kid needs to fight people he can beat, people his own size.

I seriously doubt that.

That’s why, if I had kids, and they’d get bullied, I’d encourage them to beat those bullies with no mercy. After all, the school system doesn’t defend our kids – it defends the bullies.

There’s a difference between self defense and ‘beating someone with no mercy’. One is okay. The other is…really not.

naltia
naltia
11 years ago

@kittehserf, Actually, he isn’t. That is my hand in the picture, but the cat was my roommates cat. He just liked to give my mouse-hand hugs when I was playing on the computer, so it seemed an appropriate avatar pic.

I had a great picture of my current kitty overlord, but her pic didn’t resize as well, so I went with a more entertaining pic instead. 🙂

mythago
11 years ago

That’s why, if I had kids, and they’d get bullied, I’d encourage them to beat those bullies with no mercy. After all, the school system doesn’t defend our kids – it defends the bullies.

Meaning that, when your imaginary kid fights the imaginary bully, the school system is going to defend the bully, right? And your kid is the one who’s going to be facing everything from expulsion to juvenile court, while the bully gets supported? On top of possibly getting their faces beaten in by the bully, because, protip, moral superiority does not automatically lead to amazing fighting skills.

Speaking as somebody who does have kids and has had to deal with bullying and indifferent, stupid school administrators: “Just hit them back!” is bad advice. It may give you a pleasant feeling to imagine your own putative children sending a bully running forever with one well-placed fist, but in the real world? No.