Jaclyn Friedman, who faced off with A Voice for Men’s always charming Paul Elam for that 20/20 story that may eventually air sometime this century, has just published a great piece in the American Prospect on the Men’s Rights movement. Unlike some recent writers on the subject who’ve been taken in by some of the “movement’s” rhetoric and personalitiesĀ — *cough*R. Tod Kelly at the Daily Beast*cough* — she fucking nails them.Ā Check it out.
She’s written a good piece. The thing that’s so remarkable about the Manosphere is their lack of substance when it comes to actual issues that affect men e.g. rates of incarceration, or lack of role models for boys in some communities. They’re just a frothing hate group.
Why in the hell would Esmay wear those shorts to a “rally?” Dude, your points are bad enough, at least try not to look like a soup sandwich.
Love how Elam wears that FTSU shirt at a public event. He makes a fuss about it being peaceful while simultaneously threatening those who go against his personal beliefs.
Great article. Tod Kelly could learn a thing or two.
Great article, but let’s be honest – it’s basically a greatest hits compilation of ManBoobz!
Who is the small guy in that pic?
From the article:
This. This right here.
bodycrimes: One of the big reasons for the MRM ignoring the actual issues that hurt men is that most of the worst ones aren’t just gender-based. If you remove black and Hispanic men from the tally, for instance, incarceration rates, while still disproportionate, get closer. So they’d have to acknowledge intersectionality–and for a bunch of (mostly) straight white dudes, that’s not gonna happen.
Jaclyn Friedman, you rock. David Futrelle, you rock.
Great article.
Also, that AVFM piece about fat women wanting to be raped (mentioned in the article) is just beyond disgusting. My contempt for Elam and his posse have increased tenfold. I have fat friends and family members who were sexually assaulted – male and female. The shaming, ridicule and marginalization they face must be horrible.
The short guy in the pick reminds me a little bit of Paul Simon. But I’m pretty sure it’s not him.
pic, not pick
Is he about to perform his greatest hit “You Can Call Me Asshole”?
Brilliant piece. Thanks for sharing, Dave.
Now this is spot-on. The Beast felt way too, well, journalistic, and in a bad way; way too much about how the sites are organized and what the leaders look like and what their personalities are like and how their followers relate to them, all of which is irrelevant and serves only to distract from the important stuff. Whereas this one just zeroes in on the important stuff.
ha haha, CassandraSays.
I’m still confused by the amount of fawning the Beast article did over JtO. Who knew that “charismatic” meant “creepy”?
It is a good article about a depressing subject. These guys really are pathetic.
I see a commenter has already hit her article with “hateful quotes by feminists” list.
Laughing my ass off over here; that’s one of the best burns I’ve seen in ages š
I saw that; if I could be assed to register and comment I wanted to drop the link to David’s analysis of that list.
Actually the list would make an interesting additional point to the article itself: The sort of email-forward urban legend aspect, where people pass around these sorts of unattributed, unverified claims that get accepted as true because they’re colorful and reinforce preexisting beliefs, and then they get accepted as common knowledge and that goes on to reinforce their beliefs.
I’ve never seen this list?
@melody: Here’s the article David did: http://manboobz.com/2011/02/15/factchecking-a-list-of-hateful-quotes-from-feminists/
Update: Gawker is reporting on Nolan’s false accusation and harassment of Rachel Cassidy, as did Buzzfeed and the New York Daily News. The more these hateful bigots get exposed to the light of day, the better.
Just finished reading Jaclyn’s article, and I’m really impressed. She really got it right.
Also, left a few links countering the “hateful feminist quotes” copypasta in the comments.
I’m sure it’s only minutes until those comments are swarmed by MRAs–surprised it hasn’t happened yet!