Well, this is depressing. The Raw Story is reporting that
An Ohio University sophomore has deactivated her social media accounts and is afraid to leave her house after she was falsely identified as the woman who reported she’d been raped in an incident captured on cell phone video by a passerby.
The student, Rachel Cassidy, now falsely accused of being a false rape accuser, has had her personal information — not just her name but her address, the name of her sorority, her social media accounts, even her Pinterest page — listed on a Men’s Rights site called Crimes Against Fathers. (I won’t link to it.)
The man behind Crimes Against Fathers? None other than the notorious Men’s Rights extremist and crackpot Peter Andrew Nolan — or, as he prefers to be known, for reasons I don’t fully understand, Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) . Apparently taking inspiration from Paul Elam’s Register-Her.com, Nolan’s site does what Register-Her only threatened to do: it actually releases the personal information of those it identifies as “Man-Hating Women.” He will even add names of women you don’t like to the list for a fee of $70 (Australian).
So far the site has several hundred women listed, most of them apparently women who have run afoul of Nolan or his most active lieutenant on the site, the pseudonymous “John Rambo” of “Boycott American Women” fame, either online or in real life. In most cases, luckily, the amount of personal information given out is relatively scanty and the number of people who’ve actually viewed the posts (which is listed on the site) has been small.
That’s not the case with Cassidy, whose life Nolan and “Rambo” have set out to ruin as thoroughly as they can. In addition to her personal information, the site has also dug up an assortment of pictures of her scraped from various sites on the internet.
And, unwilling to believe that she is not the woman in the video — and a false accuser of rape — the two have taken aim at those who’ve stepped forward to defend Cassidy. They’ve posted the personal information of Jenny Hall-Jones, the Dean of Students at Ohio University, for the “crime” of publicly saying that Cassidy is not the woman in the video, as well as several other women who’ve come out in support of Cassidy.
On Crimes Against Fathers, “Rambo” writes
[C]onsidering that women will always try to cover for their fellow women, and will NEVER hold their fellow women accountable, there is a very strong possibility that Jenny [Hall-Jones] is LYING and that Rachel Cassidy IS the girl in that video. This means that Jenny Hall-Jones is a CRIMINAL because she is covering up for the CRIME of making a false rape accusation. Therefore, she is a criminal and needs to be publicly exposed as such.
Neither “Rambo” nor Nolan has leveled similar accusations against Ohio University president Roderick McDavis, a man, though he too has said that the woman in the video is not Cassidy.
Men’s Rights activists like to say that Nolan isn’t really one of them. If this is the case, they should be willing to stand up and denounce his reprehensible actions, and the very idea of his Crimes Against Fathers “Man-Hating Women” directory.
EDITED TO ADD: I should note that Nolan’s site also has a “Name and Shame the IgnorMANuses” forum directed at alleged man-hating men, including Vince Gilligan (creator of Breaking Bad) and Nacho Vidal (the pseudonymous dude behind MGTOWforums.com). The list is considerably smaller than that of the Man-Hating Women directory, and none of the entries I saw listed any personal information that went much beyond links to Facebook pages.
What’s with calling women “females”? Do you have a hard time thinking of us – and yourself, going by your nym – as human?
“No, the people who are hurting actual rape victims are people like you, swallowing the myths around false accusations whole and puking them back all over this thread.”
Reread my comment. I’m not seeing your point. Sorry- how the hell are people like me, not helping?
A legitimate rape is not going to be in front of a public audience (meaning out in the open with hundreds of people on the sidewalk). A legitimate rape isn’t going to appear as if the woman is enjoying herself.
Now there have been video’d incidents of rape- I’m not disputing that. However, in those types of cases, the woman/man has been drugged or held down. And they are most generally at a private residence (be it a hotel, party, etc.) Not out in the open street.
RE: Stacey
(and other females screaming “rape” when it really wasn’t)
Are you saying we men can’t falsely accuse too? MISANDRY! Get thee to a nunnery!
Legitimate rape? Those are the ones where the woman’s body shuts down so she can’t get pregnant, aren’t they, Mr Akin?
“What’s with calling women “females”? Do you have a hard time thinking of us – and yourself, going by your nym – as human?”
Sorry, force of habit. Sometimes it’s woman, other times it’s females.
RE: Stacey
A legitimate rape is not going to be in front of a public audience (meaning out in the open with hundreds of people on the sidewalk).
Wait, what? I’ve seen people beating each other in the street; why wouldn’t sexual violence also happen similarly?
A legitimate rape isn’t going to appear as if the woman is enjoying herself.
Actually, this is very common in pedophilic incest, where the child desperately tries to appease their accuser. Is this really the hill you want to die on? I’m willing to bet I know more on this subject than you do.
Appease their AGRESSOR. God, I suck today.
“Are you saying we men can’t falsely accuse too? MISANDRY! Get thee to a nunnery!”
Hehe- of course I’m not saying guys/men can’t call false rape. i do believe it goes both ways with rape. The problem, unfortunately, with this society people won’t take men as seriously when it comes to that. It’s stupid. If you want my opinion, it should be equal treatment on both sides.
“Appease their AGRESSOR. God, I suck today.”
I’m probably not getting my point across clearly, so this is just probably coming out all wrong.(I hate days like this.)
So, Stacey, you think no rapist has ever demanded zir victim look like zie’s enjoying it, or that a victim is terrorised into doing so? What rubbish.
Nope, Stacey, you’re just saying that it’s only genuinely a rape if it meets certain criteria, as set by you, Stacey, the judge of all rapes vs non-rapes. It cannot be in public. The victim cannot be so drunk that zie does not remember in the morning. The victim must have exhibited certain behaviours, as determined by you.
Can you really not see what you are doing here?
PS Yep, equal treatment for rape victims, regardless of gender. Preferably decent fair treatment.
Actually, Kittehs, it’s pretty common for abusers to tell their victims to show some enthusiasm. Mine… well. Let me put it this way: I could be a victim or a volunteer, and if I didn’t act like a volunteer, it’d turn out much the worse for me. And then, of course, it was shown as proof that I liked it, while the times I just lay there like a corpse crying were just me being a weirdo.
I don’t even WANT to think about the ramifications of the “SMILE, dammit!” idea when incest was a multi-generational thing in my family. *shudder*
Oh, and in the world according to Stacey, no person who wakes up in the morning to a viral video of themselves having sex but with no memory of how that sex occurred should ever go to the police and say that they have no memory of the circumstances and so they think they might have been raped. Because that is screaming rape accusations, they definitely weren’t raped and they are failing all genuine rape victims.
Really, Stacey, you can’t see the issue with this?
LBT, I am so sorry that you experienced that. And that this discussion is reminding you of it.
Let me see if I can redeem myself here (doubtful):
I’m not saying that there should be certain criteria for it to be considered a legit rape, however, I do think that those folks that make false claims should somehow be held accountable for it. Be it jail time or a harsh monetary penalty.
That would help victims of rape because there would be a lot less of these fake claims of it and would help out those that were raped. It would help those victims out because they wouldn’t feel like they had to keep hiding behind the pain.
Am I making sense now? Can we stop with the witch hunt?
RE: titianblue
LBT, I am so sorry that you experienced that.
It’s fine. I’m mentioning it because embarrassingly, I’m a man, and for stupid sexist reasons, that means even trolls on this site tend to listen to me more. If that means smashing them in the face with the reality of sexual violence, so be it.
RE: Stacey
That would help victims of rape because there would be a lot less of these fake claims of it and would help out those that were raped.
Stacey, I’m a rape survivor. I come from a FAMILY of rape survivors. So listen to me when I say: that won’t help, and you’re not helping. Please, STOP.
There aren’t that many false claims. They are not what is holding back “real” rape survivors. It’s the societal ideas… one of which being that there are a bajillion false rape claims.
Someone here linked a study a while back on how there are WAY more false accusations of theft than there are rape. And yet, people don’t flip out every time someone says they were robbed.
You are not helping, Stacey. Not me, not my family, not anyone. Please shut up.
Yes. And they are. And it is jail time or similar, in most countries. The law tends to get pretty narky about being lied to or perverted.
THere really aren’t many false claims, you know. Fewer than for most other crimes, in fact.
Unprovable or ignored claims. Very few false ones (at most 2-4% of those reported)
Or an excessive zeal in pursuing “false” claims would discourage victims from reporting as they would fear not just not being believed and but also being prosecuted as false claimants.
LBT – yes, I know about the “enjoy it!” line, and that it’s common. It’s Stacey who doesn’t seem to get it.
Stacey – it might help if you’d get it into your head that “false rape claims” are a MINISCULE problem.
Why are you siding with MRAs and assorted misogynists who want to make life easier for rapists? (Male ones, at least.)
“s, I know about the “enjoy it!” line, and that it’s common. It’s Stacey who doesn’t seem to get it.”
First- I do get it. I was in a horrid relationship in my very early 20’s in which I was told exactly that. However, he never did that in a public place. Only thing he did in a public place was choke me- and no one was around to see it.
I stayed in that relationship for 1)fear of my life and 2)fear that if I finally did get away I would have no where to go.
Want to know how I got away? I joined the military.
“Stacey – it might help if you’d get it into your head that “false rape claims” are a MINISCULE problem.”
As miniscule as they are, they do exist.
One of the biggest reasons I never talked to a counselor about my ex: “What if they think I’m lying? Especially after all these years?”
Why are you siding with MRAs and assorted misogynists who want to make life easier for rapists? (Male ones, at least.)
I’m not siding with them. I am saying that you do hear about enough of these fake rape reports (here in the states) that it makes you question whether people will believe you.
As far as I know, here in the states, if you make a false report and as long as it doesn’t end up in the courts, you’re SoL if you’re the one the charges were against. I do think you can sue for slander though.
Well, I was going to say I won’t be reading this thread, since the REAL reasons I didn’t report it, either time, have fuck all to do with not prosecuting false reports.
But then Stacey went a tried to pull “I joined the military” as some sort of GOTCHA, and, well, I enjoy pecunium’s takedowns.
FFS do you not see the difference between making a report that is not followed up – lack of physical evidence, police don’t give a shit, your word against his, blah blah blah – and this “false accusation” crap? Prosecution not happening DOES NOT equal false accusation.
You’re buying into the whole rape culture that makes it harder for victims to be believed. Why do you think the bullshit claims about false accusations exist? Because it helps reinforce that culture, and keep people (mostly women) from reporting, or being believed. It helps insulate people who don’t want to think about how prevalent rape really is. It enables rapists.
So, Stacey, you get that the number of false rape reports is miniscule. You understand from personal experience that society tends not to believe victims. – and I’m sorry you had that experience – and you think that the solution to this is to highlight and bring people’s attention to the (few) false reports that do happen and punish the false reporters to the full extent of the law.
Rather than, maybe, educating society at large about how rare false reporting is and reassuring victims that they will be believed if they come forwards?
Oh John, you are misrepresenting the facts (why is it the MRA sorts can’t read what they link).
Mr Denison said two years before Alice Hall had made a complaint to the police about the victim.
“She initially claimed that he had raped her.
“But when what she was saying was examined more closely by the police it was clear that she was not in fact saying he had raped her and no further action was taken.”
So what do we know?
1: She said she was attacked.
2: The police determined she wasn’t accusing him of rape, and decided to do nothing.
3: She maintained that she was attacked
What we don’t know… he didn’t attack her.
What we do know, you are accusing her (falsely) of falsely accusing him of rape.
We futher know you are pretending to evidence you don’t have (that he was in fact guilty of nothing), and using this false accusation of yours to promote the idea that false rape accusations lead to things like this on a frequent basis.
I’ll even grant that such things do happen. I won’t grant, 1: they are common. 2: They come anywhere near the frequency of false rape accusations, 3: that false rape accusations are at all common.
Since you are a little slow on the uptake, it’s because they are very different crimes.
The one is limited. It’s usually (real false rape, not misidentification) done from personal animus; so the, “some woman will randomly accuse a man” is so much window dressing.
The other, is terroristic. It’s meant to make women who speak out afraid to speak out. It’s also much more persistent than an actual allegation of rape. People like your fellow travellers make a point of keeping it in public places. They have been known to post rewards for information; with which to continue the active harrassment.
And the DA in the Duke rape trial thought there was enough evidence to bring charges against the 3 accused Lacrosse players. They were eventually found innocent and their accuser eventually went on to kill a man
I’ll take non-relevant asides with a wild ad hominem for $1,000 Alex.
You left out that Nifong was using the case to promote his career. You leave out that no one knows the lacrosse teams names (not unless they google it). Her later crimes are ad hominem (because they have no bearing on what did/didn’t happen at Duke that night). You also manage (needfully) to gloss that the Duke case made the news because it was spectacular, and it is still talked about because it has one of those things which makes something more than a 15 minutes of fame deal.
It was abberant, and unusual. Duke is famous because that sort of thing doesn’t happen very often. On the flip side, gang rapes, where the rapists get away with it, even in the light of what ought to be damning evidence… happen on a regular basis.
Malitia idea is if you can’t actually address what a person says in a substantive way then claim they said something else and attack that.
Such as bringing up a crime someone committed long after the thing you want to use to beat women with took place?
I can see you are familiar with the tactic.
Stacey Powers: Reread my comment. I’m not seeing your point. Sorry- how the hell are people like me, not helping
By implying women who get drunk and then get raped are lying about it.
By using words like, “legitimate rape”.
Now there have been video’d incidents of rape- I’m not disputing that. However, in those types of cases, the woman/man has been drugged or held down.
It handicapped and in a wheelchair.
I know of two of those, both were determined to not be rape. One of those was in a high school gym.
RE: Stacey
Why are you siding with MRAs and assorted misogynists who want to make life easier for rapists? (Male ones, at least.)
Have you ever SPOKEN to an MRA about rape? They LOVE talking about false rape accusations, because by making them a huge thing in the public consciousness, they can then try and blur the lines of what makes rape.
Also, I’m glad that the military was good for you. The other woman vet I know who ran to the military ended up getting raped even more brutally, numerous times.
I say this again: you are not helping me. SHUT. UP.