Well, this is depressing. The Raw Story is reporting that
An Ohio University sophomore has deactivated her social media accounts and is afraid to leave her house after she was falsely identified as the woman who reported she’d been raped in an incident captured on cell phone video by a passerby.
The student, Rachel Cassidy, now falsely accused of being a false rape accuser, has had her personal information — not just her name but her address, the name of her sorority, her social media accounts, even her Pinterest page — listed on a Men’s Rights site called Crimes Against Fathers. (I won’t link to it.)
The man behind Crimes Against Fathers? None other than the notorious Men’s Rights extremist and crackpot Peter Andrew Nolan — or, as he prefers to be known, for reasons I don’t fully understand, Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) . Apparently taking inspiration from Paul Elam’s Register-Her.com, Nolan’s site does what Register-Her only threatened to do: it actually releases the personal information of those it identifies as “Man-Hating Women.” He will even add names of women you don’t like to the list for a fee of $70 (Australian).
So far the site has several hundred women listed, most of them apparently women who have run afoul of Nolan or his most active lieutenant on the site, the pseudonymous “John Rambo” of “Boycott American Women” fame, either online or in real life. In most cases, luckily, the amount of personal information given out is relatively scanty and the number of people who’ve actually viewed the posts (which is listed on the site) has been small.
That’s not the case with Cassidy, whose life Nolan and “Rambo” have set out to ruin as thoroughly as they can. In addition to her personal information, the site has also dug up an assortment of pictures of her scraped from various sites on the internet.
And, unwilling to believe that she is not the woman in the video — and a false accuser of rape — the two have taken aim at those who’ve stepped forward to defend Cassidy. They’ve posted the personal information of Jenny Hall-Jones, the Dean of Students at Ohio University, for the “crime” of publicly saying that Cassidy is not the woman in the video, as well as several other women who’ve come out in support of Cassidy.
On Crimes Against Fathers, “Rambo” writes
[C]onsidering that women will always try to cover for their fellow women, and will NEVER hold their fellow women accountable, there is a very strong possibility that Jenny [Hall-Jones] is LYING and that Rachel Cassidy IS the girl in that video. This means that Jenny Hall-Jones is a CRIMINAL because she is covering up for the CRIME of making a false rape accusation. Therefore, she is a criminal and needs to be publicly exposed as such.
Neither “Rambo” nor Nolan has leveled similar accusations against Ohio University president Roderick McDavis, a man, though he too has said that the woman in the video is not Cassidy.
Men’s Rights activists like to say that Nolan isn’t really one of them. If this is the case, they should be willing to stand up and denounce his reprehensible actions, and the very idea of his Crimes Against Fathers “Man-Hating Women” directory.
EDITED TO ADD: I should note that Nolan’s site also has a “Name and Shame the IgnorMANuses” forum directed at alleged man-hating men, including Vince Gilligan (creator of Breaking Bad) and Nacho Vidal (the pseudonymous dude behind MGTOWforums.com). The list is considerably smaller than that of the Man-Hating Women directory, and none of the entries I saw listed any personal information that went much beyond links to Facebook pages.
Well, I’m sure you read this site in an alternate universe, as I only saw people claiming that false accusations hurt a lot less than the actual crime. And that the existence of false reports shouldn’t stop crime prevention efforts, like awareness campaigns and education.
Also way to claim that internet bullying totally doesn’t hurt people.
Oh John, I know you’re M.O. is to comment and run away, but I can’t help but dispute your own false accusation:
Given that the woman in question has apparently never said anything other than that she didn’t remember anything about her encounter with the man & that she thought she had been raped, how the fuck do you get filing a false report and making false statements out of that. I know you just want to punish women, so little things like the law and the facts probably don’t mean very much to you. It hasn’t even been proven for a fact that she wasn’t raped, since she was clearly quite drunk; the police investigation just didn’t turn up enough evidence to support those charges.
To prove a false report charge, you have to prove that a person knowingly gave false statements to the police, with the intent of disrupting or misleading an investigation. So now you have to submit your evidence that she did this, or withdraw your own false allegation.
“she didn’t remember anything about her encounter with the man & that she thought she had been raped, how the fuck do you get filing a false report and making false statements out of that.”
Look at the tape and look at what the DA said. If the DA said that the tape was inconclusive, I would agree,
“It also showed the man asking if he should stop and the woman telling him to continue.”
You may not actually be aware of this, but a charge is not the same thing as a conviction. If she said she thought she might have been raped and the DA sees that she actually consented, that’s a false accusation. She brought up the charge after the video went viral. Would you accept a man’s assertion that I thought she consented as ample proof in and of itself that there was no criminal intent or would you look at other pieces of evidence.
“I know you just want to punish women, ”
Because I won’t take a perps denial of criminal intent on face value? I know you just want to punish men, any man, but men deserve justice also.
@ Malitia
“Well, I’m sure you read this site in an alternate universe, as I only saw people claiming that false accusations hurt a lot less than the actual crime.”
So much more terrible than being beaten to death over a false rape charge.
“Luke Harwood, 18, was punched and kicked to death by the gang, who planned to slice off his fingers and pull out his teeth so the body could not be identified.
The victim, who was 5ft 7ins tall and weight just seven stone, had the misfortune to move into a council house when Alice Hall, who made the false allegation, was there, the Old Bailey heard.
Even though the case had been dropped, Hall claimed again that she had been attacked by Harwood, the court was told.
Her sister Emma Hall, 21, and four friends killed Mr Harwood by ‘punching and kicking and stamping on his head many times,’ said prosecutor Simon Denison.
The victim was taken to a stream where he was killed on the bank. His body was covered with a mattress. The gang planned to return to mutilate the body. ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9788265/Teenager-falsely-accused-of-rape-beaten-to-death-by-gang.html
“Also way to claim that internet bullying totally doesn’t hurt people.”
Where did I say that? I just said that I find it odd that feminists, who’ve taken the position that a false accusation isn’t that serious, are all of a sudden up in arms over a misidentification of an individual who doesn’t even face the possibility of criminal charges. Since you’re a little slow on the uptake, it goes like this. Men falsely accused of rape face everything she faces with the added possibility of incarceration and lifetime punishment on the sex offender registry. This doesn’t seem to get quite the level of outrage among feminists as a woman misidentified as a false accuser.
@ Cloudiah
“Given that the woman in question has apparently never said anything other than that she didn’t remember anything about her encounter with the man & that she thought she had been raped”
On second thought, that doesn’t even make sense. Is she claiming that she may have consented, but just forgot? That doesn’t bode well for rape victims who were intoxicated, does it? Is she saying that might not be her in the video? The only claim she could possibly be making is that she was too intoxicated to have consented. That’s rape. She’s accusing him of rape. From what I gather, he wasn’t dragging her around. If she’s not falling down drunk, I think she probably remembers it. She probably consented and she’s probably embarrassed. Slut shaming is not cool, but it isn’t an excuse to falsely accuse someone of rape. The falsely accused deserve justice too.
I didn’t check the comment thread there’s only so much inane banter a person can take, but I’m pretty sure there was little sympathy expressed for the guy wrongly accused as if being questioned by the police and facing criminal charges is not stressful at all.
I don’t believe you.
Based on nothing more than your biased reading of the newspaper reports, you assume that the woman is deliberately and maliciously lying.
You ignore the fact that the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence against the man to bring it before a grand jury. You assume the woman is lying when she says she cannot remember, you ignore the possibility that she could have been either drugged or intoxicated (consistent with her amnesia and her apparent intoxication on the video) so that no consent she gave was meaningful. Nope, in your eyes, she must be a liar and , while you would give the man the benefit of the doubt, she must be punished.
Your mind is so closed, it could not be opened with an oyster knife.
Yes, the murder of Luke Harwood is a tragedy and I condemn it utterly. Yep, that would be a feminist condemnig the murder of a man. Shocked?
But you’re not exactly being intellectually honest in your use of it, are you? Because, if you’d actually used an article from after the verdict in the case, you’d might have had to quote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22276921
Because no, in the real world,it is not the case that “Men falsely accused of rape face everything she faces with the added possibility of incarceration and lifetime punishment on the sex offender registry.”
In the real world, sadly, men accused of rape usually face nothing worse than society rallying around them while making their victim’s like hell.
Plus, you know, while the law (and its servants)regards the woman who accused him of Mr Harwood of rape of having done so wrongly because she withdrew the complaint, the statistics say that she probably was raped. Probably by him.
And still I condemn his murder.
^ “life hell” not “like hell”
John Anderson. Here to teach.
Nope. Liar. Bigot.
@ titianblue
“You ignore the fact that the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence against the man to bring it before a grand jury.”
And the DA in the Duke rape trial thought there was enough evidence to bring charges against the 3 accused Lacrosse players. They were eventually found innocent and their accuser eventually went on to kill a man. Politically fueled prosecutions aren’t surprising. It’s even more telling that the grand jury found insufficient evidence to indict. So the DA decided to bring a prosecution where there was no evidence while ignoring the commission of a real crime.
Many people made light of the fact that neither party was charged, however, I’ve seen no evidence that the prosecutor even brought a case against the accuser to the grand jury.
“that she could have been either drugged or intoxicated (consistent with her amnesia and her apparent intoxication on the video)”
That would be exculpatory, but where are the toxicology reports? She may have been drinking, but was she legally drunk and did it negate consent? Witness said they posed for pictures and she walked off on her own power. I still assert that there’s enough evidence to file a charge. You guys are arguing that if there’s not irrefutable evidence of guilt, there should not even be a charge. Kind of puts that 8 – 10% false rape charges in perspective. Unless it’s a slam dunk, it’s not unfounded.
I even gave him the most common legal standard required to uphold a false reporting charge, and he ignored it completely. Reports that are wrong but which are made in good faith are not “false reports” by law. If I misplace my car while I’m drunk and report it as stolen, and then it turns up parked in the bar’s parking lot, that isn’t a false report.
Not to mention that the dude doesn’t understand how people can be blackout drunk and do things they have no memory of later.
All you’re proving is that you don’t care about the law, and you don’t care about biology, you just want women punished. Even if it’s the wrong woman, as in this case, it doesn’t really matter because woman.
(And don’t bring up some unrelated case as an attempted “Gotcha!” We’re not big fans of murder and/or vigilante justice over here, because we’re feminists.)
@ titianblue
So you’re suggesting that he would still have been horrendously killed if she had not falsely accused him of rape? I’m not and wasn’t saying that men wrongly accused necessarily faced a violent reaction, discrimination, or other forms of hostility from their false accuser or are you guys suggesting that the man in the video constitutes the internet trolls who are abusing Ms. Cassidy. Otherwise you’re making a false equivalence.
@ titianblue
“Plus, you know, while the law (and its servants)regards the woman who accused him of Mr Harwood of rape of having done so wrongly because she withdrew the complaint, the statistics say that she probably was raped. Probably by him.”
What statistic says that? The statistic that says that X number of women who didn’t lie about being raped are lying about not being raped statistic?
@ titianblue
“Nope. Liar. Bigot.”
Sexist, bigoted, false rape apologist. There is every element needed to prove a crime. There is the act. Her statements to police. There is evidence to prove the commission of a crime, the recording, which the prosecutor has made a positive assertion that she consented and her motivation, she was slut shamed.
@ Cloudiah
” Reports that are wrong but which are made in good faith are not “false reports” by law.”
How do you prove it was made in good faith? The prosecutor in his estimation said she consented. That is an affirmative. Not the tape was indecisive. There is no toxicology report to indicate how drunk she was. Witnesses had her posing for pictures and walking with him under her own power. Doesn’t sound like “blacked out” drunk. You just want to punish men, any man.
John’s answer is:
1) Look: Here is a different case with almost no bearing on your general rule. Hope you’re distracted.*
2) I didn’t say that. It’s just my cognitive dissonance and the straw feminists in my head.
* You could make a case against mob justice with that (which I think all people here oppose anyway), but not against the general rule of “being falsely accused of a crime hurts a lot less than being the victim of it”. Especially in the case of rape where western culture still tends to blame the victim.
@ Malitia
Malitia idea is if you can’t actually address what a person says in a substantive way then claim they said something else and attack that.
What? That is completely incomprehensible.
cloudiah gave you the definition of what a prosecutable false report is. Yes, indeed, the person filing the report must knowingly and maliciously make the false report.
And for the record, I am a feminist and I roundly condemn the horrific murder of Mr. Harwood. Those responsible deserve to rot in jail for the rest of their lives for their horrible crime.
So I take it, since your so emphatically opposed to vigilante justice against the falsely accused, you also find Nolan & co. treatment of Cassidy and Hall-Jones, both of whom had absolutely nothing to do with they videotape, completely reprehensible? You know what I’m talking about? The actual OP?
Sigh. The same way you do for any other report. That is, you look for signs that it was not made in good faith. And if you don’t find any such signs, you accept that you can’t prove the allegation and so you don’t file charges frivolously & waste taxpayer money on a case you have no chance of proving. This is why you would never make it as a DA, since you want such frivolous charges filed, even though you have absolutely no proof that her report was made in bad faith — because you just want to punish women.
Seriously, this isn’t even a complex thing to understand. And you really don’t understand alcohol-related blackouts. They have been studying the effects of alcohol on memory since the 1940s, and more recently there have been tons of studies on the effects of binge drinking on memory. This is the primary field of study for a friend of mine. (He gets people drunk for a living!) Learn to science, dude!
I’m going to take a wild guess here as far as Nolan’s concerned: he has no clue about the laws in the US. Now, that guy that was accused of raping Jenna- what he should do is turn around and sue her for slander. Because that is basically what she did. What she (and other females screaming “rape” when it really wasn’t) are doing are hurting actual rape victims (both male and female).
What Rachel Cassidy and her parents need to do is find out who originally started posting her pic all over the damned web and sue the pants off of him.
I’m female, I’ll admit to have done some stupid crap in my 20′s, but I never turned around after a rare night of drunken debauchery and then claimed that it was rape.
Unfortunately here in the states, the only (legal) way to get back at someone that makes false accusations is by suing them for slander.
Congratulations. So you didn’t get raped during a night of drunken debauchery. Please do not generalise your experience to everyone. It is stupid and cruel.
No, the people who are hurting actual rape victims are people like you, swallowing the myths around false accusations whole and puking them back all over this thread.
Damn, you’re stupid, aren’t you? Go read through my comments again. Take your time. Maybe get a friend to help you (if you have one). Then get back to me when you’ve actually understood what I said.
No. No. And no. You really don’t understand any of this, do you? Is it wilful misunderstanding or are you really this bad at reasoning?