The bad publicity bonanza for Men’s Rights activists continues — and it couldn’t happen to a worse group of people.
Yesterday, the Daily Beast published a long-awaited piece on the Men’s Rights movement, and it’s a doozy. If you’re a regular reader of this site, trust me, you’ll want to read the whole thing, like now. The piece, by R. Tod Kelly, is long — some 6000 words — but worth it.
It’s mostly on the money, but with a few notable flaws.
Here’s what it gets right:
1) It captures the pervasive misogyny of the Men’s Rights movement in general, and of A Voice for Men in particular.
2) In an extended section, it profiles AVFM’s John Hembling, and tears apart some of his most blatant lies — including the now legendary box-cutter incident, in which Hembling claims to have stared down a mob of 20-30 feminists brandishing boxcutters.
As Kelly notes:
Vancouver police records show that there was indeed an altercation in September of 2012 between Hembling and others seeking to tear down men’s rights posters. However, according to the police, Hembling was arguing with two or three people, not being accosted by a “mob” of any size. When questioned by the authorities, neither Hembling nor witnesses mentioned seeing any weapons. …
Curiously enough, Hembling actually videotaped the events and had his AV4M Radio partner Karen Straughan post it online. The discussion with the police has been conveniently edited out, but the rest of the video clearly matches police records and not Hembling’s story. There are only a few young men taking down Hembling’s posters, and the video shows them choosing to ignore him except when he engages them in conversation. One of the men is seen using a box cutter to take down the flyers, but at no time does he use it as a weapon, raise his voice, or threaten Hembling in any way.
Kelly found some troubling, er, discrepancies in another story told by Hembling. Kelly writes:
According to Hembling, sometime around 1995 he was on his way home at 2:00 am after working a night shift when he came upon [a sexual] assault in progress. He says he used his steel-toed boots as weapons to chase off the perpetrator. When the victim was too distraught to speak with him, Hembling says he contacted the police, waited until they arrived, and then quietly left without speaking to them. He says they later tracked him down at his home, where he gave a statement.
It’s hard to know whether this event actually occurred or not. There is no record—at least, not in the Vancouver police files—of Hembling being a material witness to a rape, and police blotters from that time period do not show a crime that matches Hembling’s description. However, this does not necessarily mean the event did not occur. Vancouver police did not fully computerize their data until 2002, and it is possible the police never reported the incident. Hembling claims the incident took place at a specific hospital, where he says he worked as a contractor for 18 months. The address he gives, however, is for a different hospital in a completely different part of the city. This raises the curious question of whether Hembling forget the name of the hospital he contracted with for 18 months, or whether he forget what part of the city he worked in for that same period of time. The real truth of the matter is anyone’s guess, because Hembling wouldn’t comment to The Beast on that or any other matter.
In other words: Cool story, bro.
3) Another thing the story gets right: it makes clear just how little the Men’s Rights movement does to actually help men — and how in many ways it can actually be terribly damaging to men who need real help. As Kelly writes,
the movement’s radicals might … do … immediate damage to those who most desperately need the MRM to succeed.
“When we talk about recovery from trauma and abuse, there were two things that helped me,” says Chris Anderson, executive director of the male-victim advocacy group Male Survivor and a sexual abuse survivor himself. “The first was realizing that I’m not alone; the second was hearing that recovery was possible.” Anderson is quick to dissociate himself from the men’s rights movement: “In [the MRM] people get that first message, that they’re not alone. I don’t know that they ever get the second message. And when they don’t get that second message, it turns into an endless feedback loop and eventually they say, ‘Oh my God, all of society is f**ked.’”
Indeed, Kelly writes:
It is telling to note that of the professional male-victim advocacy organizations I spoke with, every single one specifically asked that I not allow readers to think they were in any way related to the MRM.
But there are also some things that I think the article gets wrong.
1) I think it gives Men’s Rights activists way too much credit for their supposed good intentions. While there are some MRAs who do seem to be motivated at least in part by a sincere desire to help men, most of the MRAs I’ve encountered in the 3 years of doing this blog have clearly been motivated primarily by anger and hatred of feminists — and women in general. They don’t really seem to give a shit about doing anything to actually improve the lives of men — and the paucity of their accomplishments reflects this. In its relatively brief lifespan, AVFM has raised many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Has it set up any shelters or hotlines or helplines for men? Not a one.
2) It wildly exaggerates the importance of Hembling to the MRM — especially ironic given that Hembling has been more or less AWOL in recent months, producing only a few short videos and one article for AVFM.
3) It paints a picture of The Spearhead’s WF Price as a Men’s Rights “moderate.” Really? While it’s true that Price is not an AVFM-style hothead given to rants about “fucking your shit up,” his views are anything but moderate. This is a guy who thinks higher education is wasted on women, who blames the epidemic of rape in the armed forces on women, who celebrated one Mothers Day with a vicious transphobic rant, who once used the tragic death of a woman who’d just graduated from college to argue that “after 25, women are just wasting time.” He published posts on why women’s suffrage is a bad idea. Plus, have you met his commenters?
I was, however, kind of amazed to learn that Price is married … and to a feminist. No, really.
4) The article, while solidly researched, contains some small errors and simplifications that will no doubt give MRAs and others the excuse they need to dismiss the whole thing. Kelly refers to Reddit subreddits as Reddit “threads!” He refers to Matt Forney as an MRA! Oh no!
Still, whatever its flaws, this is an important piece, and one that tells a lot of truth about the Men’s Rights movement. Again — go read it!
I just checked and it is the anti-malaria drug I was thinking of…but it’s also marine ich, different nasty bugger than freshwater ich (don’t ask me, I didn’t name them!)
Otoh, it’s apparently in tonic water, and, for the gun fans among us, a gin and tonic may help with the ick.
*gin fans
A gin and tonic is always welcome. It makes the ick easier to stand the sight of, I suppose…
I was wondering, when you mentioned the quinine, if it was the anti-malarial quinine. I keep a few bottles in the cabinet just in case, and plenty of limes on hand. Got to take precautions against scurvy, don’t you know.
May I suggest raising your standards? At least so that they no longer include plants, walls, and pets.
Hey, you did say “everything and everyone”…
It’s specifically the comment about how he’s been observing us (commenters) for years, followed by a list of grievances, that suggests to me that this is not his first time on this particular ride.
Hey, favorite types of booze would be much more interesting than the troll. Gin – do not like, never have liked. I suppose I could come up with a way to hide the taste, but if you have to do that why not just use a different kind of booze?
Current topic of boozy exploration – anejo tequila. So much better than the standard stuff (blanco) that you get if you order tequila in most places.
I just tried agave liqueur the other day and highly recommend it. It’s sweeter, and has a bit of orange to it. I used it instead of Grand Marnier in a margarita recipe and it definitely works
Iunno, I think he’s just grandstanding when it comes to the whole “I’ve been here for AGES!” bit. I mean, of all people to call a troll (srsly, still lol’ing over here) and get into wah wah business with, I’m haven’t really been around long enough that I think I’d be an eldertroll’s target. And the list of grievances wasn’t really anything but standard “Ur wimmins and feminazis and I h8 that *frowny face*” so…
I vote for new troll, old hat.
Have you tried the lemonade that’s sweetened with agave? I think it’s Naked Juice that makes it. So good.
@ dustydeste
You could be right, they do tend to blend into a congealed mass of rattle-throwing baby after a while.
Should be doing homework (bad Alice!), but I have to say, I just noticed that Argenti and Pecunium are Latin for “silver” and “money” respectively.
Blame the Latin homework. 😛
Oh man, I love the booze conversations. I always feel like I’m learning things, which is nice, because I feel like I missed out on my booze-learning time period by switching countries. When I headed north, I’d only been legal for booze in the US for eight months, and then I got here and everyone my age had already been able to buy for two years, plus most of the people I hang out with are older than me… I feel like I’m developmentally delayed when it comes to booze knowledge now, haha.
Random cool booze discovery – a Tibetan version of nigori sake. If anyone’s going to be in the Bay Area I can tell you where to get it (at a place that serves great Tibetan food too, run by a very nice lady who is also a clasically trained French pastry chef).
Speaking of “Oh man,” I’m going OT from the booze discussion that I just expressed my enthusiasm for, but… does anyone have any alternatives to that interjection? I’m trying to cut weirdly-gendered phrases from my go-to vocabulary as a personal project (largely just to see if I can), but I don’t really have a good substitute for that one.
When the idiot had left, I asked the boss, “So, d’you think the fish will have any trouble keeping clear of that one?”
He didn’t.
I’ve never liked recreational fishing (or any sport involving killing animals) but since coming to work at this place, I’ve found that if a customer is rock-bottom stupid, odds are he’ll (it’s always a bloke) will be a fisherman.
All my booze experiments lately have been devoted to beer. We’ve got some pretty awesome craft brewers around here, and I am enjoying the opportunity to try out all the cool stuff they are experimenting with.
Then, of course, there is Samuel Smith’s Chocolate Stout, which is not at all local but is completely and totally delicious.
dustydeste – I use “oh gods” a lot, in which “gods” is gender neutral, but I’m not sure if that fits the bill.
(Damn it, I have to do more homework now… *grumblegrumble*)
I personally like “Oh dear,” although it doesn’t really have the same effect.
Say “Oh cat!” instead of “Oh man!” It almost rhymes and it invokes CC. 🙂
Cassandra – I dunno if cretintroll is new troll, old act or a sock, either. He could be lying either way, pretending he’s been here ages but giving himself away with stuff like misgendering, OR he could be doing the misgendering deliberately to get a rise (pity for him it caused laughage instead). If it was the latter, that’s rather Al-ish.
The bit about subnormal intelligence was quite Pellish, as Pecunium noted.
I’m starting to think our trolls are breeding. Or being cloned, or mass produced, or something. Where are the great original trolls of yesteryear? Where are the Spanish-Cyrillic Admiralty courts, the Illuminati, the modern hospitals where needles under the nails are advanced medicine, the dividing line down one of those rivers starting with M, the I-totes-love-my-wife-but-I-want-virtual-reality-instead?
Are they breeding with each other? That would explain why they’re starting to seem like amalgamations of eldertrolls.
That’s the impression I have. Must say the breeding program is not a success so far. The quality of the bloodline is very poor.
I think I’ve figured out the underlying theme of ahostileworld’s posts. It explains zir inconsistency, affinity for subjective analysis of phenomena that affect a large number of people and incoherence pretty well, I think.
Shorter ahostileworld: ”Nothing exists. Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something could be known about it, knowledge about it can’t be communicated to others.”
Re: troll breeding program: I’m more inclined to utter Herbert West’s famous phrase: “Damn it, it wasn’t quite fresh enough!”
Also, yay booze! My favorite subject! I love winemaking. I’m presently enjoying a newly finished order of homemade apple wine, made with a batch of recently plucked apples (and not much else). Refreshing, slightly sparkly; I think I did well with this one. I’m thinking of trying out some form of red wine next, but I’ve made it before and I screwed it up, so I’m not sure. Still, new stuff is always fun to try. Making my own vodka sounds cool, but it requires tools that I do not (yet) possess.
For some reason, I can’t stand beer, though.
I think beer smells like fermented urine. Not a fan.
Argenti: Just woke up. and I have to head to work. Hope to be home this early afternoon for a bit.
I think trolls have an upper limit on creativity. If they actually think about the talking points they regurgitate it would create a worldview cognitive dissonance so powerful their heads would be blown right off, so they can’t think. As a thought forms they push it away, just repeating what they’ve heard before.
This obviously doesn’t apply to masters of cognitive dissonance like the trolls of yore, so their arguments get repeated. They’re long and complicated, and that’ll have to do as a substitute for any semblance of logic…