Paul Elam, the founder and primary animating force behind the website A Voice for Men, is probably, for better or worse, the most influential figure in the Men’s Rights movement (or, as he prefers to call it, the Men’s Human Rights Movement).
Elam is also a fierce misogynist with a penchant for angry, violent rhetoric full of only-slightly veiled threats. But don’t take my word for it. Perhaps the best way to get to know Mr. Elam is through his own words.
So here are some of Elam’s thoughts on a variety of issues, taken from postings on his own website. I have linked each quote back to its source on A Voice for Men.
Paul Elam on Domestic Violence
In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.
I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.
And then make them clean up the mess. …
Now, am I serious about this?
No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong. Every one should have the right to defend themselves. …
But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.
Here, courtesy of the Wayback Machine, is the post as it originally appeared on A Voice for Men in 2010, where it was illustrated with a picture of a woman with a black eye, captioned “Maybe she DID have it coming.”
Elam now says this was “satire,” though its hard to see how it is “satire” when he clearly says that he doesn’t think his allegedly “satirical” solution is wrong. When Swift wrote his Modest Proposal he didn’t think that eating babies was actually a good thing; if so, it would not have been a satire.
Paul Elam on Rape
I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires … And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m.. Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.
But are these women asking to get raped?
In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.
They are freaking begging for it.
Damn near demanding it.
And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.
Elam, apparently trying to project a more respectable image, has replaced the original A Voice for Men post containing these passages with a disingenuous disclaimer. But the Internet never forgets. An archived copy of the original post can be found through the Wayback Machine here. The quote is not any better in context.
Paul Elam on Why He Would Vote to Acquit All Rapists
Elam feels that courts are “patently untrustworthy when it comes to the offense of rape” and so, he explained in one post:
Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.
Original post here.
Paul Elam Explains How the Thought of Harming His Critics Sexually Arouses Him
No, I’m not making this up. Here are the strange, threatening remarks he addressed to an opponent of his Register-Her website (on which, more below).
Do you think I am going to stop?
It’s a serious question, because the answer to that question … should inform you of what will work for you or not work for you in dealing with me.
And the answer is, of course, no, I am not going to stop. You see, I find you, as a feminist, to be a loathsome, vile piece of human garbage. I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.
Original post here.
Paul Elam on the Necessity of “Inflicting Pain” on Opponents
Progress for men will not be gained by debate, reason or typical channels of grievance available to segments of the population that the world actually gives a damn about. The progress we need will only be realized by inflicting enough pain on the agents of hate, in public view, that it literally shocks society out of its current coma.
You can see this quote in context here.
Paul Elam, the World’s Strangest “Pacifist”
From a post on family courts:
I am a pacifist. I do not advocate violence. But I tell you this. The day I see one of these absolutely incredulous excuses for a judge dragged out of his courtroom into the street, beaten mercilessly, doused with gasoline and set afire by a father who just won’t take another moment of injustice, I will be the first to put on the pages of this website that what happened was a minor tragedy that pales by far in comparison to the systematic brutality and thuggery inflicted daily on American fathers by those courts and their police henchmen.
It would not even so much be a tragedy as the chickens coming home to roost.
You can see the comment in context here.
Paul Elam on Mothers’ Day
To all you mothers of the world, please give your Mother’s Day flowers and give them all generously. Most importantly, give them where they will do the most good. Place a bunch of daffodils at a dumpster near you, perhaps one in which one of you, or one of your kind, has tossed an unwanted baby, leaving it there to slowly die alone in a pile of trash.
Perhaps you could lay a single rose at the base of a bridge that has been used by a mother to throw her baby into an icy river. Perhaps you can lay it there with hands that have beaten or shaken a baby to death. …
Inspired? Good. Now perhaps some of you could place large, colorful arrangements at the abortion centers where women go to have children cut out and laid to rest in those colorful and attractive biohazard containers that are all the rage in the clinics.
He continues on in this vein for some time before getting to this:
This is not a request for some mothers, or a percentage of them, but all of you. In fact, you don’t even have to be a mother. If you have a vagina, the blood of all those children, who are abused far more at the hands of women than men, has stained your skin and caked around the cuticles of your fingers.
And he continues on for several more paragraphs of abuse, until this:
In Daffodils for Dumpsters the gash gets you in, and you don’t really have a choice.
After several more paragraphs of this he makes clear that this time he’s not even claiming he’s writing satire:
Now, do I really mean all this? Yes.
You can read the whole remarkable thing here. He also wrote a similarly unhinged post about Valentines Day, which I wrote about here.
Now, Elam not only says many terrible things; he also does terrible things. Here are a few posts detailing some of these things.
Here’s a post about his website Register-Her, a fake “offenders registry” where feminist writers and activists are vilified alongside female murderers and child abusers, and threatened with the exposure of their personal information, in an attempt to silence them.
Here’s a post about A Voice for Men’s glorification of Thomas Ball, a disturbed man and self-admitted child abuser who set himself on fire on the steps of a courthouse in hopes that his death would inspire Men’s Rights activists to launch a campaign of firebombing attacks against courthouses and police stations.
Despite Elam’s claims of non-violence, A Voice for Men published Ball’s long terrorist manifesto — including his calls for firebombing — on its website, in its “activism” section. It was only after the Boston Marathon bombings that AVFM finally took the manifesto down.
Here’s a post about the time Paul Elam (along with a ragtag team of online misogynists and white supremacists) viciously attacked a young woman as an anti-male, anti-white bigot, resulting in threats directed at her and at her alma mater, Georgetown University. As it turned out, all the attacks on her, from Elam and other, were based on bogus information — as Elam would have known if he had taken ten minutes to fact check his sources.
These quotes, and these articles, are really only the tip of the iceberg. I invite anyone interested in finding out more about what Paul Elam believes to look through my archives at some of my other posts about him, and about A Voice for Men more generally.
As always, when I think I’ve seen all the stupidity that the world has to offer, the Internet steps in and proves me wrong.
Well, it is an anti-circ forum, so yeah. But seriously, the trauma of having his foreskin removed implanted in his limbic system inadequacy that spawned wtf he did?
I could translate NWO and that hurts my head!
*snorts, eyerolls* I lost half my hearing due to medical malpractice in my teens. Last I checked, ain’t nobody should be awarding me a medal for NOT KILLING PEOPLE due to it.
And last I checked, I needed that ear more than the average dude required his foreskin.
Even the thread on Pharyngula has gone from talking about weird intactivists to talking about male circumcision itself. Like someone there noted, it really is all about penises, all the time.
A friend of mine had to repair a (horribly designed) website from the other side, an extreme EVERYONE MUST GET CIRCUMCISED ASAP inactivist. He got so exasperated with all the bullshit statistics and non-sequiturs that he muttered something awful about the guy in front of the guy’s young son. He then found himself having to give the kid most of his lunch to stop the kid from crying.
Lesson #1? Never take on web design projects without being POSITIVE you can tolerate the client.
#2 if it isn’t your penis, you don’t have a say in what happens to it (ok, except if you’re a doctor/similar and the owner of said penis consents/emergency standards are met) — I didn’t know there WAS a “you must be cut” movement, but both sides need to grasp that simple concept. You care about bodily autonomy? Excellent! This also means if they aren’t your genitals, you don’t get to say they need “fixed”.
Maybe I’m weird, but I’m just not that interested in what other people do with their genitalia unless I’m going to fuck them or they’re insisting in getting them all up in my face. If I’m never going to see said genitalia they can decorate it with sparkly bows/draw smiley faces on it for all I care.
Anecdota time: I dated a guy who was circumcised in his late teens due to medical reasons. He said that, other than having to change his masturbation, it felt exactly the same. He also thought it would have been better to have been circumcised as a baby, because getting an erection when you have stitches in your penis – not so much fun.
@ Argenti – Technically he didn’t have to do the job at all. This guy was a big wheel at the hospital where he does tech support. My friend was just in one of those horrible situations where explaining to some idiot why something isn’t your job is going to be a lot more difficult than just doing what they want.
My ex’s brother was also circumcised in his mid teens because his foreskin didn’t grow enough to accommodate his penis, and from what was relayed to me secondhand it was indeed a pretty unpleasant experience.
Sorry, got tired and needed a nap after posting that link. None of the intactivists seem at all concerned about getting themselves to a doctor, to see what can be medically done or checking if – in fact – there is a bloody problem.
Are you fatigued all the time? Do people push their way in front of you in queues? Are you suffering from premature baldness? Do you type in all caps on the internet? Do you wish cat videos would stop being uploaded? That’s because you were circumsized as a small child.
I do feel sorry for guys that need the operation later in life, as it sounds much worse to get it done then. That said, the majority of men will never need it done, so from a cost-benefit perspective, the decision would be not to do it.
Why does god need male Jewish babies circumsized? Does he need to use his x-ray vision* to check occasionally? And how does he know about the females then? Why can’t he just use the method he uses for the females, on the males?
* I may be getting confused with superman here.
LOL!
I see that Lawrence Newman finally got himself booted from Pandagon. Not surprising. When he wasn’t declaring that men who’ve been circumcised don’t orgasm and only have a little ejaculate, he was fantasising about murdering doctors, saying “real legal definition” rape is rare, then going off about how boys being circumcised are being raped.
What a charming fellow.
Possible TMI, but I can confirm that both of these are incorrect.
Wouldn’t that argument mean that circumsized males couldn’t father children apart from using medical procedure methods? I would ask how come someone can be so wrong in the face of so much disconfirming evidence, but MRAs, PUAs, etc shows me the pointlessness of asking.
pallygirl – I think it was less about God needing to see ’em than identification among other people.
Which is still weird, I don’t quite see the Jewish blokes walking around with their bits hanging out (unless they lived in Egypt, where going nekkid wasn’t unusual among farmers or labourers … but circumcision was a thing there anyway … )
RE: Kim
getting an erection when you have stitches in your penis – not so much fun.
*shriiiiiieeeeeeek, crosses legs*
RE: cassandrakitty
Possible TMI, but I can confirm that both of these are incorrect.
Yeah, ditto.
Well, orgasm without ejaculation is possible if you study enough tantra, but I’m not sure if it can work the other way round. Which isn’t relevant anyway because, again with the TMI, men who’re circumcised can usually come just fine.
::snerk:: there was far more TMI refuting him, from men and women alike, on Pandagon. Plus several chaps who were relieved they’d been nerfed, ‘cos they didn’t want to go hurting their partners with Superman-levels of ejaculate. It got quite funny around that stage. 😛
His response was that all of them were lying.
He probably thinks that he’d be able to write his name on the opposite wall of the gym in spunk if only he hadn’t been circumcised.
Yeah, ejaculation without orgasm exists, but like you said, it’s not relevant to the circumcision question.
XD
*Looks down at bowl of yogurt I was eating. Looks back at screen. Looks down at yogurt. Rubs eyes.*
Sorry about that.
Every time I see Woody’s name I am reminded of this bloody ad that played on NZ tv. Now you too can share in my pain: