So Amanda Marcotte has some thoughts on Sunshine Mary’s post about feminism allegedly reducing women to nothing more than sex objects:
Why should women want the attention of men who see them as nothing more than unpaid servants and semen toilets? …
The alternative to having a hateful misogynist around who expects you to clean up after him, accept his ranting about how women are a repulsive subhuman class whose only purpose is service to men, and to masturbate him without any hope of sexual pleasure yourself is simple: Not being with such a man. As many feminists can tell you, there’s a really pleasant alternative: Men who like women and like to hang out with us and aren’t just tolerating us in exchange for sex and housework.
But what if, as manosphere men (and antifeminist women like Sunshine Mary) like to gloat, you can’t find a man?
Being alone is better than being with a man who thinks you’re part of a degraded class put here to serve him. No matter how much misogynists may rant, they can’t get around this inherent problem in their philosophy, which is that “alone” is always a superior alternative to their company.
Sunshine Mary has responded with a post that basically argues, well, but men don’t like you, you fat slutty feminists — take that!
One of the core pillars of feminism seems to be trying to control how men think about women. We want to be seen as smart, so by fiat order we’ll command men to see us as equally intelligent. We want to be seen as having the ability to be sexually promiscuous, so we’ll command men to hold a positive opinion of sluttery. We want to be seen as beautiful at 200 pounds, so we’ll command men to find us hot despite our obesity.
But it doesn’t work. Men don’t like slutty women for anything other than sex, as the last comment thread here rather conclusively proved. Men don’t find fat women attractive. Men don’t like bitchy, loud-mouthed mannish feminists. Men don’t care about women’s supposed careers. All the commands in the world will only cause men to keep their opinions quiet, but it does not change those opinions. All the attempts in the world at resocializing men to like what feminism has turned women into will always fail because it works against the natural order of things.
Now this is just nonsensical and, you know, not true for all but a backwards and rather assholish subset of men. But it’s what follows that’s really chilling — not chilling because it reflects reality, but chilling because it suggests how punitive and self-hating Sunshine Mary’s philosophy really is.
She argues that feminists find the Manosphere “scary” because manosphere misogynists won’t do what feminists want them to do.
It is scary to imagine that men will stop doing what they are told by women to do. It is scary to feminists in particular because, instead of being dependent on one man like I am, they are dependent on men as a group to fund them.
Men pay the majority of taxes in the United States. Without men’s taxes, student financial aid for Women’s Studies degrees will dry up. Without men’s taxes, baby mamas will starve. Without men financing it, women who are being placed into corporate leadership simply as a response to affirmative action and who then quit these jobs after a year to write tear-filled articles in the Atlantic about work-life balance, demanding even more subsidies from men to ensure that women never need to suffer the consequences for their stupid choices, will cease. I only have to manage my husband’s opinion of me in order to secure his provisioning; feminists have to control all men’s opinions of them in order to secure their provisioning.
Yep, that’s right. Sunshine Mary believes that women are incapable of taking care of themselves and so must depend, essentially, on appeasing men in order to survive. She thinks she’s lucky because she only has to appease one man, while women who actually, you know, earn a living have to appease all men. Because they’re not really earning a living. They’re just playing at earning a living because the men of the world are nice enough to humor them.
But don’t make the men mad, Sunshine Mary warns, because then you’re screwed!
And she seems rather pleased that she can make this threat from what she percieves as her position of relative security.
How fucked up is that?
@Argenti aertheri
Yes. Yes it is :3
PROJECTION!!
The personal stories of these proMRA women are very enlightening.
One admits to having had sex with at least 100x more men than me and shares her overweight pictures with the world.
SSM is so desperate for male attention she put up with her serial-adultery committed husband and is actually less arttracted to him now she longer needs to compete with other women for him. that’s one screwed up head.
When such proMRA antifeminists talk about how “women are fat and slutty” I think you’ll find that in actuality they are really only talking about themselves.
I just wish they’d go confess it to a minister and receive absolution for it (they’re both Christian btw) rather than trying to make out every other woman in the world is a worse sinner than them.
<_<
Damn it…
I left how how they are always very irate and find fault with those they perceive to be mannish loud mouthed bitches, from their male-oriented, female-unfriendly blogs. So there’s no projecting there at all either.
@Frog I mean I think there’s a difference between calling out their hypocrisy and saying “hey, you think we’re fat and slutty? Well, you’re even more fat and slutty and that’s gross!” and I feel that your comment veered towards the second option. Like, fat people are allowed to be fat publicly.
@Viscaria Not my intention at all, sorry. I couldn’t care less whether someone is morbidly obese and/or works as a prostitute. What bugs me is their vociferous holier than thou attitude. And I do think they’re projecting.
@Viscaria what I’m trying to say, not very well I’m afraid, is that this is not about other women at all, but about their own self-loathing.
The MRA waged a hate campaign against me earlier this year that left me suicidal. Women like SSM were involved, I don’t know is she personally was, but others were. I guess I’m still angry at them and that comes across here. I’m sorry about. I shall shut up before I offend anyone, I really don’t mean to.
Hey, sorry, I wasn’t ignoring you out of anger or anything. I just started my work day, that’s all. I’m glad to hear you weren’t trying to fat shame, and I’m so sorry about the abuse you’ve suffered from the MRM.
That sucks, Frog. I hope you are doing better now.
I think it’s easy to build yourself up on social media, paint things in ways you couldn’t possibly get away with in real life, among people who’ve lent you a twenty and still have pics of you in that horrible bathing suit you bought that one year and remember your old boyfriends and babysat your kids. 😀
Just part of the game, though I agree mras are extra, extra nasty about it. I remember when pics of Roissy came out and I was like “for real?! That’s the guy? Whatever.” He’s not even (physically) ugly, just… an ordinary dude, who built up a whole stupid cult from behind a pseudonym.
No problem 🙂
The only lasting ill-effect is residual paranoia of my words and actions being misunderstood online …
The thing about Roissy and the response to him is that I think these guys think that totally ordinary dudes SHOULD be swimming in 19 year old lingerie models who want to cater to their every whim, because because they’re dudes.
Or at least, “dudes who hate women” should be swimming in lingerie models. They hate men who aren’t misogynists, after all.
The natural state of the world was that attractive young women threw themselves at any man who expressed an interest in them, and then feminism came along and ruining things by telling women that they had the right to choose who they had sex with. This was misandry. Luckily, you can make things go back to the way they were meant to be just by reciting this magic incantation and telling that hot chick at the bar that she’s not that hot really! Just send $24.95 to…
It is the natural state of humanity to be slowly bleeding out from a puncture wound in the gut.
Of course, this practice never resulted in “sluts” in the natural state of the world, as all women back then were young and beautiful before feminism came along and turned women ugly, so there were plenty of hot supermodels to go around for all men who had sex with as many women as possible while the women remained chaste and virginal. Hypergamy is totes real and comes from the fact that biofacts, argle bargle women are evil and it’s all feminism’s fault. Ipso facto, misandry.
This is apparently how Men’s Righters actually think.
They used to kill the women once they were no longer hot, but we don’t like to talk about that. There were enough lingerie models for every man to have at least a dozen because women tried harder back then. And then, like the snake in Paradise, Andrea Dworkin appeared and tempted the women into becoming un-pretty.
Also, in order to have enough lingerie models for every man, they had to send other men to wars to die and keep women from fighting so they could stay home and serve as concubines to the rich and powerf… wait, wait, I mean, beta men who hadn’t taken the Red Pill fought in wars to appease the powerful matriarchy which arose as part of the feminist movement somewhere back before civilization, when men were still men and… uhh… I mean, something something misandry.
Now youre mixing mating competition with that ability of all human males to mate. Human males typically mate with several women in his life time. Because males don’t carry their young, there is less concern with who they mate with. Women are more choosy because they produce less offspring then men. e.g. Men can mate with 100’s of different woman and the woman is left to raise the child while women can have only 1 child every 11 or so months and with only a 25 yr window that’s 30 kids
Oh, I’m sorry, did you say something, Greater Good? All I heard was “blah blah evopsych blah blah biotruths irrelevant to the issue blah look I can do math”.
Humans typically mate with several humans in their lifetime. That’s true of all genders…
I am so sad that I can’t have more than 30 kids! Keeps me awake at night, that, let me tell you.
GG: Now youre mixing mating competition with that ability of all human males to mate.
That’s what mating competition is: the ability of a male in a species to gain the willingness of a female of that species to have sex with him.
I kept scrolling up to try to figure out the context for what greater grood was talking about and for some reason I just couldn’t find it
I am also confounded, inurashii.
My theory is Greater Good is just spewing randomness out zir ass.