So I’ve been reading a bit more in the Evo Psych literature — some of the alleged classics in the field that most Manospherians seem to have either read or absorbed by osmosis. I’m learning a lot about the dubious “science” underlying many of the Manosphere’s most cherished beliefs.
But I’m a little worried for my own intellectual safety, because I see so much clear evidence around me that reading too much Evo Psych can turn one’s brain to mush.
Consider the example of rmaxgenactivepua, the Evo-Psych-addled gentleman who writes the blog “Rejecting Modern Women: Pickup & Advanced NLP & Charisma Behaviourial Conversational Strategic Technologies.” Specifically, consider the recent post of his that asks the grammatically confusing question: “Is It Possible For Women To Be A Healthy Promiscous [sic] Woman?”
I’m just going to quote the whole damn thing because, yikes:
To definitively answer that question, is a woman biologically designed or hardwired to be promiscous
Are there any biological co-factors which support a womans ability to be promiscous?
A womans vagina is a massive breeding grounding for std’s, making it highly unsuitable & dangerous for sleeping with multiple men
Women have a highly short period of fertility. only 10 years of fertility, less if theyre in bad shape
Women have a limited amount of eggs
Plus women dont have the emotional blocking abilities of men
The real kicker is, women are only capable of having one mans child at a time
If women were meant to be polygamous, they’d be able to carry multiple children of multiple men
Making it ludicrous to assume women are polygamous, it’s laughably ridiculous to assume women are polygamous when theyre own biology isnt even capable of reproducing polygamously
Men on the other hand are designed from the ground up to impregnate millions of women, they reproduce over millions of sperm a day, & can impregnate 100′s of women
In fact one man, men are so efficient at reproducing with hundreds of women, one man could repopulate an entire civilisation if he wanted to, thanks to his production of millions of sperm
One woman on the other hand, couldnt populate her own ass, let alone a shoe box or a cat litter tray …
Proving a woman isnt anywhere near designed to be a slut, FACT
Well, yeah, I guess if you make up a rule that states women can’t have sex for pleasure with multiple partners unless they’re biologically capable of giving birth simultaneously to children sired by all these different partners, then women aren’t designed to be “sluts.”
Then again if you can simply make up your own rules like this, you can prove pretty much anything. If I decide that men can’t be polygamous unless they are simultaneously holding their breath underwater and on fire, I guess I’ve proved that men can’t be sluts either.
FACT!
Oh, and while it’s true that a cis man with healthy sperm could (in theory) repopulate an entire civilization, there are some women who are giving men a run for their money in this department.
How about Rekorderlig WInter Cider? It’s vanilla and cinnamon flavoured. So yum! But fizzy,so it’s hard to drink too much.
(Sorry, haven’t read the comments yet)
Wait wait wait…
What? Isn’t half their other argument about male promiscuity about fucking children because they’re “fertile” as soon as they have periods? Even being conservative and generous about the interpretation of that being 15, that would make all women (who are in “good” shape) infertile at 25?
Does this person even read the bullshit he’s spewing? Because I gotta tell you, late maternal age is currently defined as 40, up from 35 which was the previous “late maternal age” which put women at slightly higher risk of a few issues.
sparky, it’s an image of a vaginal/uterine cross section with a uterus sling for uterine prolapse. The arrows are there to show the ways in which the sling helps to put the uterus, bladder, and rectum back in place.
On review, it might not be, but it certainly looks like a few images I’ve seen of it.
Aha!
I think I just discovered the “logic” behind the “only ten years of fertility” statement. See, according to many manosphere types, women become horrendously ugly at a relatively young age. Therefore, while they might technically be fertile, no man will actually have sex with them. Men, on the other hand, stay fabulously handsome all their lives.
It’s a terrible, illogical sort of logic, but it’s as good a guess as any.
P.S. Thanks SittieKitty. I was pretty confused about that diagram at the top of the post.
Xanthe – thanks!
That blockquote went well.
Ten years of fertility? MRA, do you even science?
… don’t answer that.
Wait, what? This whole sentence makes no sense.
Science is misandry!
Buttercup Q. Skullpants — I see what you did there!
Argenti – unless is EvoPsy! Then it’s sacrosanct!
kittehserf: It’s his main approach to his research, not the main approach of the course. It’s present in the lectures, but not like “evolution therefore IT WILL ALWAYS BE THIS WAY”, rather “this is a possible reading for this story and of course this doesn’t mean that we should continue to act this way”. He also touches on feminist critiques, cultural context, authorial bias, etc, etc.
I’d still like to think this guy is inadvertently promoting 2 male 1 female threesomes. Heteropaternal superfecundation for every mom! When one father at a time just isn’t enough.
Redcap – whew! 🙂
LadySunami – and better yet, the blokes in the threesomes still wouldn’t be MRA/PUAs.
… If anyone’s looking for a spare bloke for some heteropaternal superfecundation, you can have whoever was allocated to me, he’ll be going to waste otherwise. 😉
If all the promiscuous women merge to form SlutVoltron then sure?
(What is it with MRAs and grammar? Is it because a lot of high school English teachers are women and paying attention in class would have been against their principles?)
OW my sinuses exploded snorting at that
::gingerly pats nose to see if it’s intact::
Hmm, so, I got my period at 9, and the average age at which women stop menstruating is what, late 40s? So by the time I’m done I’ll have technically been fertile for about 40 years.
Contraception is a wonderful thing, isn’t it?
It certainly is!
A few points really bugged me:
1) a woman with multiple male partners is polyandrous
2) from a biological perspective female creatures are supposed to be able to pick as many (or few) “high status” men to mate with as they please, there is nothing in human biology that means that we couldn’t be using the survival of the fittest sperm approach that nearly every other species does anyway. It’s a race to the fallopian tube and the fastest and healthiest sperm wins because human ova don’t let just any sperm in, there is a biological barrier around the ovum meaning that lets only one sperm in (more than one sperm entering jeopardizes the survival of the zygote)
3) behaviourally having multiple possible fathers decreases the likelihood of a male killing her offspring
4) that anatomical diagram is completely missing the clitoris. It’s missing a whole damn organ! That’s not Mr Futrelle’s fault though, it’s rampant misogyny in the scientific community
Limited amount of fertility, limited egg supply…hmmm sound like an argument for having a LOT of sex if ever I heard one.
Clitoris is there Emmy. It’s above the urethra. I’m actually kind of surprised it’s there because it often isn’t.
I love the phrase “highly short”. It’s so oxymoronic.
Since I had kids at 44, that must mean my fertility started at 34. Yes, gals: the late 30s is a special time of life. You’ll start to notice boys (and/or other girls), grow underarm hair, and become moody. These years can be turbulent and awkward, what with juggling career, household, family, responsibilities, and zits. You’re no longer a carefree 30 year old. You’re growing up. You may have to start wearing antiperspirant when testifying in front of Congress. At the hardware store, or doing your taxes, you may worry that everyone is looking at you. These feelings are normal.
Aw, Buttercup, I’m about to turn 35 and wish I had a cool big sister like you to advise me at this turbulent time! I’m also finding myself arguing with my mother all the time; she, like, totally wants me to do stuff I don’t wanna* and YOU’RE SO UNFAIR, MUM!
My fuse is obviously as highly short as my fertility.
*she’s brain damaged so this actually happens
10 years of fertility, LOL! WUT.
When my uncle completed our family’s genealogy on his mother’s side, there were several things I noticed right away. The first couple who arrived in America from Switzerland in the 1840’s were 20 (wife) and over 40 (husband). They had 12 children, all but one of whom lived past their 80’s. While she was pregnant with her last child, her oldest daughter was pregnant with her first child. She spent 20 years having babies. And this was 150 years ago.
Most of all, I’m envious of those genes. It was actually my grandmother’s family that brought serious heart disease into our family. While those Swiss men 150 years ago lived until 85-90, men in my family now die in their 40’s and 50’s. And you can see exactly when it happens in the genealogy. It’s messed up!